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The Void -

Bungay Balls Up 2020 Virtual Edition #2!

We're coming back with a second virtual edition of BBU next month. Hope to see you there.

https://jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=5396
We're going to hold a second VIRTUAL Bungay Balls Up. See you there! https://t.co/TnoQc64M2e #BBU2020V2 pic.twitter.com/OR4LkwoPvO
— Bungay Balls Up (@BungayBallsUp) August 16, 2020


#BBU2020V2

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Just been trawling around the intertubes trying to find out whether BBU IRL is still going ahead in Sept, and answer came there none. Is this instead of or in addition to the proposed Sept 4th-13th dates?

The Void - - Parent

Instead. No live event this year, alas.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Pish.

Stephen Meschke -

Sharing and Viewing Juggling Videos: Problems and Solutions

I use several websites and social networks to view and share juggling videos. Each portal has advances and disadvantages. Advertising content, promotion by algorithm, and biased voting are frustrating disadvantages to the mainstream portals, like Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, etc...

To overcome these frustrations, I have written a simple app that just plays juggling videos. The app queries the juggling.tv database for videos that are tagged with #jugglegram. The videos are then displayed in a list of thumbnails. When a thumbnail is clicked, the user is sent to a detail activity were the video plays.

Link to video of the demonstrating the app.
Screenshots: Img #1, Img #2.
The app can be download here*: Link to .apk.
The source code can be found here: Source code Github repository.

*To install this app, download the .apk file. Transfer the file to the Android device. Navigate to that file, and click on it to install. You may need check the 'Unknown sources' box in Security. Internet is required to use the app.

IsaacDraper -

Top tip: don't try continuous back crosses near a dish of oil and balsamic vinegar! I now have one very messy juggling ball :(

John R - - Parent

Alternatively, you've got a healthy, tasty snack! Maybe a little chewy, but plenty of fibre...

vazonun - - Parent

Let me tell you a short story...

I was a recipient of a medium sized parcel, one containing some brand-spanking new juggling props, which included a lovely set of white juggling balls (uglies). My excitement was through the roof, and I couldn't wait any longer than the few seconds it took me to remove them from their individual wrappers until I started their maiden 5b cascade. Within moments they were happily flying through the air from hand to hand. Until... I made a rookie error, I got too excited, I was enjoying them a little bit too much, which inevitably caused a rogue throw... As I chased the ball through the air with my eyes, I knew I had no hope in catching this ball, it was doomed to hit the floor. But not in my case...
Well, to cut a short story long. My hot beverage of the day tasted a little like juggling ball, and I now have an off-white ball which now smells of coffee.

IsaacDraper - - Parent

Oh dear! Not a good day :(

Mike Moore - - Parent

Ooo, I like what this thread is turning into.

My tip: when you a ball rolls away, and you find it covered in cobwebs...check for the spider.

Ahhhhh!

IsaacDraper - - Parent

Top tip #2: if you want catch a mouse, leave your uglies in the floor. They love them.

^Tom_ - - Parent

Top tip #3: After this, you'll buy a tupperware box to store your juggling balls.

peterbone - - Parent

Our wood burning stove glass got smashed by a club during a mis-timed lazy catch the other day. Luckily it was due for replacement anyway.

bad1dobby -

New way to combine juggling and drumming [vid]

https://youtu.be/F_dyGGMsoNk

This is one of the coolest things I've seen for a long time.

lukeburrage - - Parent

I like it, but I saw through the technique right away, and it lost much of the magic after about 15 seconds. Here's my breakdown:

1. He isn't creating the music, nor is the main rhythm coming from the juggling. It's in the foot pedal and the backing track. This isn't a bad thing though, because 99% of "making music by bouncing juggling and drumming" acts I've seen are painfully un-musical! In this, all he has to do is keep throwing on beats one and three, and the drums play every offbeat. You can see him count himself into the music near the start.

2. 90% of the weight of the bounced object is in the ball end, not the handle. Which means they act like balls with something attached, not club or stick-like objects which would be waaay harder to bounce.

3. He has three different catching techniques, depending on how the handle twists after the bounce.

4. If those don't work, he does an oh-shit correction in the hand to turn it back the right way round.

5. And if he ever gets into trouble, he can just not throw the stick at the drum for a beat, and get the juggling back under control. And, as per point 1, because the bouncing isn't creating the music, nor the rhythm, he can get away with this no problem.

Once I saw that, I realised there was no "act" or "song" or starting point or ending point to the performance, and that it was purely about endurance. Again, not a bad thing for a walk-past street performer, as he only has to sustain interest long enough for someone to put money in the box.

I'd like to see this worked up into a full act, maybe with more than one juggler, certainly with more than one technique, and if possible with live music that can interact with the live juggling.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Correct breakdown, but none of that made it lose the magic to most audiences!

I think this format is great, even better as a shareable wow-video than a walk by act ;)

lukeburrage - - Parent

Yes, I really think it looks magical. It's been shared with me enough times that I know non-jugglers think so too.

Little Paul - - Parent

I wanted to know more about what he does with the rest of the stuff strapped to that bike, as from the looks of things this is one gimmick out of many.

unigamer - - Parent

https://vimeo.com/79113605
This video shows some of the other gizmos on the contraption.

Little Paul - - Parent

Thanks, it feels like there's s lot of untapped potential in that device.

His style of clowning isn't my favourite either, but I can get a bit picky about that sort of thing :)

bad1dobby - - Parent

Re your point #2, wouldn't such an uneven weight distribution result in a super-spinny mallet? My first thought was similar to yours, but when I watch the juggle (as opposed to the drum thows) I'm not so sure. The other thing to watch is his throws to the drums - the club position as it hits the drum is very consistent.

It's all theorizing on my part, because I'm too lazy to do the experiment. Maybe someone else will take on the challenge (hint, hint, Daniel...)

lukeburrage - - Parent

The lightness of the handle means it flies much more like a dart, with the weight always leading and the handle acting more like a flight at the back. The way he throws puts as little spin on it as possible, and lets air resistance keep it flying straight. Or that's how I see it. This way the handle is always following the weight exactly when it hits the drum, so much of the inconsistency is taken care of already. After the bounce he has time, each throw, to judge what kind of catch he'll need to do based on how it bounced.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

If only I wasn't so busy that I hardly find a way to keep up with this forum.. :p
How about y'all come to EJC and we fool around there?

bad1dobby - - Parent

Another thought, have a look at the sophistication of what he's doing with that foot pedal. It's more than just a basic rhythm, there's some serious pat-the-head-and-rub-the-tummy business going on there. Love it!

lukeburrage - - Parent

Yes, of course. My point was that the sound of the distant drums, where the stick/balls are bouncing, have no complexity at all. It's beat 2 and 4 every time.

Like I said, this is a good thing, because I've never seen complex rhythms done with bounce juggling, or any other juggling where the sound of the beat or note comes from the juggling, that sounds like anything more than unmusical noise.

That he's doing something with feet doesn't look overly difficult to me. I've seen waaaaay more complex juggling and drumming videos before. He can turn his brain off mostly on both sides, as he's not creating the music, just playing along to it.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Original link has been removed. This one's from the guy's own YT channel, so hopefully it should last a bit longer:
https://youtu.be/av1oArzgU0k

JackJuggles -

In having quite a bit of trouble learning 5 balls. I know it takes a lot of practice, but I still cannot do it. I've broken 50 catches twice, my record is 61 catches.
My question is, how do I structure my practice for 5 balls? I normally do 5 catches 10x in a row, then 10 catches 7x in a row, then 15 catches 5x in a row, then 20 catches 3x in a row. After that I would just run it. Any suggestions on how to structure my 5 ball practice? Thanks
P.S as I said, I know 5 balls takes a lot of work. I am not discouraged, so please don't tell me just hard work

trebuchet - - Parent

You've almost tripled your record from a month ago, I'd say you're doing fine.

Orinoco - - Parent

Do you have any idea what is causing your pattern to fail? Throw consistency? Timing? Endurance?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Sounds to me - but I may be wrong - that you're doing the exactly same pattern over and over again. So, when you fail a throw (only slightly?), you're pattern is lost with few skill to get back into ground-state?   Have you considered doing some preliminary 3b varying high, highest, wider \\ more narrow, low & as fast as you can keep it up? .. Or even do that with 5b, in order to gain control?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Do you grasp the balls with your whole hand? Can you try to form a basket with your fingers and not grasp the balls, just sustain them with the thumb? .. somewhat looser, nimbler - only a bit - so to say ..

^Tom_ - - Parent

I've never been a big fan of pyramid training, especially beyond very early progress with a pattern.

After "getting" the basics of a pattern such as 5b, there are at least 2 further stepping stones:
1) correcting bad throws & correcting twist
2) learning to relax and breath / blink

Both of these, but particularly 2), might not be obvious if you're stopping your runs earlier than these 2 limits when training. I'd focus on #2, even when doing only 5 or 10 catches. Try breathing and blinking consciously while juggling.

And I second what was said about varying it a bit. I tried practising 5 balls much lower than normal and much higher than normal, and then when doing it normally I felt as though I had the reflexes and the speed from practising low, as well as the accuracy from practising high, to not feel on the limit so much.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hi again, ..
.. I saw, you're very good at 4b fountain (512 c recorded), so .. if you just try 6b fountain (!) - just for a try and only a few minutes before or after a session - .. even if it fails (!) .. every run more than 6 throws, will have you think bigger / higher, and 5b will seem lower, slower and a good bit easier for sure.
What U think? Will you give it a try? :o)
                                               [ that .. ↑ .. 's a nose ]

JackJuggles - - Parent

Yes I will. I'm guessing I do it async?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Can't state on that .. 4b and 6b is actually not my terrain (maybe s.o. else). - The idea was just to make use of your 4b skills to do a higher number using the same pattern, fountain, which would then be 6b.
Obvious would be to do it just in the way you do the 4b fountain.

- either doing it preliminary to 5b cascade: just a few even failed tries \ attempts would be enough for your mind & brain & hands & eyes to have that "seen-&-done-such-heights-and-speed-before"-effect when, later, you do 5b.
- or, you might (?) find 6b even easier (!), than 5b, just because that suits you more?! .. you'd then maybe have better successes with 6b ..

7b_wizard -

#poll - Do you even  a i m ?

  1. yes .. at highest points or areas (of the trajectories).
  2. yes .. where I want prop to land.
  3. yes .. depending on what's in the air, like throw through the 'tunnel' or to avoid a collision or 'along' the other flying props.
  4. yes .. any of above (unrestricted).
  5. yes .. but  o n l y  when learning sth (any point #1-3) new.
  6. not sure .. maybe subconscious or automated.
  7. not that I know.
  8. other / I'm over that / never thought of "aiming" / .. / wrong question / doesn't apply / ..


thk 4 voting :o)

This is a competition thread which ran from 16th Jun 2015 to 23rd Jun 2015. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[oops .. din' seem to work & din' get option runtime (1 week)]

7b_wizard - - Parent

[ wrong format .. didn't get options when checking "set as competition" .. @ Orinoco: Please delete, thk! (did saved html for evtl retry later) ]

7b_wizard - - Parent

(@ Orinoco) okey .. don't delete then .. everything okey .. it has become a votable thread in own dynamics lol

Orinoco - - Parent

Too late, converted to poll :P & missing poll options fixed after breaking after fixing something else last week...

7b_wizard - - Parent

Wow! Thank you soo much  a n d  plenty of it! :o) .. [thought it was my oldversion + unupdated browser] .. I get the options now.

Little Paul - - Parent

8: I usually find it most helpful to aim for the crossing point

7b_wizard - - Parent

Good point! .. forgot that one.

peterbone - - Parent

I'd put 2 or 6/7. The problem with aiming only relative to other objects in the air (eg crossing point) is that the point you're aiming for changes with error in previous throws, leading to error accumulation and eventual breakdown of the pattern.

7b_wizard - - Parent

yeh .. the pattern handles you drifting & pulling, instead vice versa ..

7b_wizard - - Parent

thats why I myself am rather #1 - aim highest point or area. (thk 4 voting this post lol)

seveirein - - Parent

Umm, my passing partner's face?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Definitely vote #2 then.

7b_wizard - - Parent

last day for this poll - anyone not voted yet? :o]

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   yes .. at highest points or areas (of the trajectories). (2 votes)
  2.   yes .. where I want prop to land. (1 vote)
  3.   yes .. depending on what's in the air, like throw through the 'tunnel' or to avoid a collision or 'along' the other flying props. (1 vote)
  4.   yes .. any of above (unrestricted). (2 votes)
  5.   yes .. but  o n l y  when learning sth (any point #1-3) new. (0 votes)
  6.   not sure .. maybe subconscious or automated. (1 vote)
  7.   not that I know. (0 votes)
  8.   other / I'm over that / never thought of "aiming" / .. / wrong question / doesn't apply / .. (2 votes)

Chris - - Parent

Options 3 and 8 spill over onto 2 lines, as does the bar. It gives the impression that they are twice as populated as they are.

7b_wizard - - Parent

That's 'cos I made these's option's texts so long.
It counts, how far the results reach to the right.

I was mainly interested in if there's jugglers not aware of any aiming at all. But also how many do aiming how.
I take: 6 voters consciously do aim - but 3 voters seem to not have to bother with or aiming (or the question) doesn't apply for them. Also, jugglers, who do aim do it in different ways. Votes in 4 or 8 ("other") might comprise aiming on crossing points of a pattern (as I forgot to list that option).

thk all 4 voting! Thanks, Marvin for results!

Chris - - Parent

My previous comment was mostly FAO our benign overlord

Orinoco - - Parent

Well spotted, bars now limited to one line.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Maybe this conclusion: aiming is not trivial or obvious.
I do find this result remarkable .. well spread between "yes, like this or that", and (maybe) "not at all", whereas one might think, aiming is trivial or obvious and everyone does it like oneself and or in the same way ..
but it seems to be quite a topic to take into account talking and comparing about in given contexts ..

Little Paul - - Parent

Maybe this conclusion

My conclusion is that 9 responses on a survey with 8 possible answers isn't a large enough sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. thinking of e.g. 56 in a sequence, collision-bound sequences in general, it is - when e.g. teaching or learning - helpful to know, that others might aim or throw in a different way .. thus how to avoid the 6 to hit the 5 would be a question of throwing either more from the middle, but also makng sure, you know where you're throwing (at), .. is sort of what i meant.

RegularJugular - - Parent

Thanks for making me think about this: It helped me. I found that like LP I typically look at the crossing point, apart from the first throw.

The first throw I look where I want it to go and then all the rest are then aimed by crossing point. Although this gets a bit weird for fountain throws but essentially still applies.

Thx :)

Mïark -

Are you a juggler or a flow artist? An article in the Flow Arts Institute website attempts to polarise the two activities. This does remind me of a discussion I had with someone who I guess regarded themselves as a flow artist and they were adamant that Flow had nothing to do with circus or juggling, circus was clowns and elephants, juggling was WJF, whereas Flow was an ethereal communication with our earth spirit through movement.

www.flowartsinstitute.com/juggle-vs-flow

Orinoco - - Parent

Hmm, that's a lot of opinion stated as fact.

Little Paul - - Parent

I didn't get to the end of the article, but if you did can you tell me if it became any more balanced towards the end?

mrawa - - Parent

"the EJA doesn’t have a single female country representative, or female member of the Board of Directors)."

Not true. What about Ali? She's been on it for as long as I've been aware of the EJA!

I agree with Orinoco, much of this is just opinion and you can't just apply the Kinsey scale to Jugglers! There are way too many variables.

"(Many jugglers I know believe it’s below them to teach children)." - sure.. but that's purely the sample of people in they've met. I know many people who'd fall in this "juggler" category who's whole aim is to teach children. The whole youth circus scene for a start.


The more I read this the more I see a short sighted view. It's not as simple as Juggler or Flow Artist! A variable that's completely glossed over is the notion of hobbyists vs professionals:

Hobbyist Juggler
Professional Juggler
Hobbyist Flow Artist
Professional Flow Artist

The whole article feels very unbalanced to me.

Mïark - - Parent

Ali is no longer President, the EJA reps have always been a bit male dominated, though at the moment it looks like they only have a festival rep who is female, so it is accurate-ish on that point.

https://www.eja.net/en/ejaboard.html

DawnDreams - - Parent

Who is the festival rep who is female? Alex? Jules? Or is it Ali?

Dee - - Parent

Joanna (Lublin) according to the list on the website.  

DawnDreams - - Parent

cheers!

DawnDreams - - Parent

I find it so interesting that people find it unbalanced.

Does no one see that I explain flow artists as childish venture-capitalists?

My attempts to explain the good and the bad of each somehow was lost on the juggling side, but I still don't see it.

mrawa - - Parent

"Does no one see that I explain flow artists as childish venture-capitalists?"
I did kinda pick up on that, but since it was at the beginning of the article I guess people might have forgot about it towards the end. I would ask if this is true, but many of the people I know who'd consider themselves Flow Artists have it as their main profession. So I guess its mostly true for my immediate flow demographic (which is mostly those at with spinning@ at or Play).

"Good and bad tends" to be subjective so people will never agree. Maybe a list of characteristics of each would help? e.g.*

Jugglers:

  • obsessed with nailing difficult tricks
  • prefer green props
  • prefer conventions/festivals with 24hr indoor facilities
  • etc


Flow Artists:

  • "Childish Venture-capitialists"
  • happy conventions/festivals without any 24hr indoor facilities
  • etc



*Just an example, not what I actually think.

DawnDreams - - Parent

yes. I didn't expect everyone to agree, that's fine.

Lists without qualifying my beliefs would be more grossly misunderstood than it already was.

:) But cheers! Interesting to see all the feedback.
And conversations on message boards are so refreshing. I forgot about ACTUAL discussion, rather than just facebook replies.

;)

Mini - - Parent

Jugglers, people know what this means
flow artists. WTF.


an example. an agent phones. hi. can i book a juggler. they know what they are getting, generally they will expect a multi skilled entertainer.

no agent ever asked for a "flow artist"


mrawa - - Parent

My assumption is that a Flow Artist is also a juggler/spinner, but a juggler/spinner is not nessassrily a Flow Artist.

Sounds like it's a subculture withing juggling, or a splint movement. Regardless there are common grounds and people will label themselves depending on their personal philosophy.

Since I'm in Vancouver for a while I might as well ask any resident Flow Artists their take on it. Apparently there's a Flow Fest tomorrow, so that'll be a good starting point.

Dawn's article is from a Flow Artist perspective, why not do the same from a juggler's point of view! (Maybe I could conduct some interviews as Madskillz

DawnDreams - - Parent

I am so going to make the I AM A JUGGLER video screaming I am a juggler while doing my 5 ball, juggling on a uni, passing, playing combat, and PROVING MY JUGGLER STATUS.

Just because I posted it on flow arts institute doesn't mean I don't get to identify as a juggler.

Mini - - Parent

i am struggling to work out why you feel the need to identify as either, i juggle, you juggle, i play with skill based toys, i assume you do the same, i have even been known to dance (well leap about in a sweaty room)

it seems the greatest division from the posts is this

flow artists want to be known as flow artists

jugglers, dont really give a damn, as long as there is tea and biscuits lol.


in short. enjoy life. and dont get too stressed over which tribal alliance you feel you should have

Mike Moore - - Parent

I'd like to be known as a juggler, thanks.

(Though I do appreciate tea, less so on the biscuits)

It's Him - - Parent

I'm more with the biscuits and forget about the tea. Not sure whether I wish to be called a juggler, more an entertainer and instructor.
Nigel

mrawa - - Parent

what kind of biscuits?

It's Him - - Parent

Too many options. At the juggling club custard creams are the preferred option. Elsewhere jammy dodgers or party rings work well for me.
Nigel

Little Paul - - Parent

I've been disappointed with jammy dodgers recently, the biscuit tastes undercooked to me and the jam filling is too hard and chewey.

I'm sure they used to be softer :(

It's Him - - Parent

The Ikea version with an apple jam filling is quite edible. I do think that many biscuits have depreciated in quality over the years but that might just be my taste buds.
Nigel

Little Paul - - Parent

The only logical response is to bake more!

Talking of baking, your mums orange and cranberry cake was amazing the other weekend (post office vehicles day).

Coming up with an approximation of it in time for Bungay is on my todo list.

mrawa - - Parent

Apologies! I'm aware that you are also a juggler, but what I actually meant was to conduct it from the point of view of someone without much/any experience of flow. Lacking a better term, a "Pure Juggler"?

I spoke to a few people at Saturday Circus and it seems that even those who consider themselves Flow Artists do not seem to agree on what makes flow flow. It was noted that when discussing the difference that it would make sense to remove Professional Jugglers from the equation (especially in terms of festivals/conventions). This is mostly do to the fact that there are relatively[1] few professional jugglers that go to juggling or flow conventions[2]. I wonder what the split is like for Flow Fests?

One description that kinda made sense was that Flow Artists design not only their acts, but also their practice sessions around music and making fluid, or more akin to dance. That they wouldn't practice without music, which is completely different to jugglers[4] who tend to be happy juggling with or without music[5].

It was also discussed that the background of individuals seems to make a noticeable difference. Jugglers[6] tend to have a technical background usually Engineering, Physics, and Computer Science. For other disciplines such as spinning I've never noticed a common background. On the other hand, an individual would also be heavily influenced by their community, so if an engineer juggler was part of a predominantly flow community then it would only be natural that they pick up characteristics of flow.

It was mentioned that a survey was taken at Madskillz last year, and I'm hoping to get a copy of it.

Guess it'll be impossible to define this empirically when there is no clear definition with the communities themselves and any data used to draw a conclusion will be both biased from those giving (where they all have different opinions) and also those analysing.

"Just because I posted it on flow arts institute doesn't mean I don't get to identify as a juggler."
Personally[7] I think that everything in both the juggling, circus, spinning, flow communities is considered a juggler, but then could also be classed as specialist defined firstly by the props (juggler[8], spinner, whatever) and also the style that they prefer (technical, fluid, etc). I guess you could extend that to the philosophy they use as well (flow, none, or other). In addition, considering that so everyone is constrained to a single prop, I could image that someone who dabbles both in say club jugging and poi might have difference styles/philosophies when practising each, being a technical juggler by a flow spinner. The number of different ways I can imagine classifying jugglers are numerous[9].


[1] Yes I'm aware that some professional jugglers/artists to frequent festivals/conventions, however the ratio of professional:hobbyist is vastly in the hobbyist favour.
[2] From my personal experience of the BJC[3], British, and European conventions
[3] I'm also aware that the BJC occurs usually during a professionals busy season.
[4] Yes I know some jugglers do require music, but I'm talking about drilling tricks, etc. Practising a routine is different.
[5] I personally juggler whilst listening to Audiobooks or Podcasts.
[7] Obviously from a pure juggler point of view, where I consider the definition of juggling to be "The skillful manipulation of one or more objects" and thus many things count (including parkour, skateboarding, bmx, slackrope, etc)
[7] Sample set from those I've met over 8 years in Europe and few recently in Vancouver
[8] Using juggler again as I hate the term "toss juggler"...
[9] and I'm thinking about it in terms of Object-Oriented Programming with multiple inheritance (more Java 8 than 7).

DawnDreams - - Parent

Flow Artist is a way to describe that you are doing something with props, but you are not going to be demonstrating from the Rastelli Standard (clubs, rings, balls in numbers) but instead you are more contemporary (dancey/flowy/arty).

Little Paul - - Parent

I wouldn't call myself a flow-artist but I rarely do anything with clubs/balls/rings these days, I'm far more about the "gentleman" style of material (hats, household objects etc) but I'm certainly not a "flow artist"

So what would you call me? Where do I fit on your kinsey scale of juggling? Am I off to one side in a different axis or something?

I think that's my biggest problem with this sort of categorisation, it just doesn't work, it's either too narrow or too general.

Personally, I'm with mini. I don't actually care what you call me as long as there's tea and biscuits (ideally also cake and G&T)

Dee - - Parent

I don't actually care what you call me as long as there's tea and biscuits (ideally also cake and G&T)....

jugglingedge really needs an upvote / "I approve" button for statements like these!

Orinoco - - Parent

7b_wizard - - Parent

Is it a trap? ;o])

Dee - - Parent

Bingo!

deleted - - Parent

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Mike Moore - - Parent

I found some of that very interesting. For example, I met Marvin Ong at an IJA and we are friends on FB - I see that part of his job is running/organizing flow workshops. I didn't understand how that could make one money, and now I think I understand that better.

By and large, I think that jugglers do value performers over workshop leaders, at least monetarily. It's rare for a workshop leader to have their show ticket/fest fee coverred, but common for performers. And, in my experience, very few jugglers bill themselves as excellent workshop leaders, ahead of performers. Of course, exception(s) exist, like Matt Hall, but I feel that the trend is there.

A few bits I found particularly interesting, and/or contrary to my experience:

"Jugglers tend to be socialist in nature, they don’t pay their coordinators and don’t believe coordinators should be paid for their work."
I disagree with that. I'm more capitalist than socialist (think Canada), and I would be fine with coordinators getting paid some amount for the work they do.

"Master classes assume at least intermediate skill"
(depends what the class is teaching, but okay)
"and rarely teach recreationally. (Many jugglers I know believe it’s below them to teach children)."
I have a hard time believing this. What does "many" mean here? I interperet "below them" to mean that they see it as an insult (hard for me to believe), rather than something that often gets outprioritized (which I can believe).

I'm unclear on what is meant by "technique" in this article. To me, juggling technique is something like "hold your hands like this, tilt yor head like this". But then:
"Learning technique is the main goal and success is about having a technically proficient show with boundary pushing skills that no one has seen before."
For general public performers, I don't think that's the main goal, as I see character development/patter as more of their main goal. For hobbyists, I don't think that's the main goal, as they tend to be less focussed on performance.

"[Jugglers] are focused on the outside appearance of their technique and how it looks to others at all times."
Not true. I don't care how most of my stuff looks. I want to come up with new things, whether they look good or not.

"They bond by showing new conceptual ideas, aka impressing each other."
This was the only sentence that jumped out at me as crazy. I certainly do not equate those two, and I'm sure a math teacher who shows her/his students new concepts daily will assure you that many are not impressed by this.

I liked how this article used the term "self-conscious" in a literal sense, it was a breath of fresh air from the negative connotation that it normally carries.

"The juggling community considers itself sophisticated and wishes other people would join them in their knowledge, trying to elevate everyone to that level of sophistication."
Sophisticated indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZOmLmOcP7Xs

There are sophisticated jugglers, and not. I don't think that's a good group for jugglers.

I do agree about wanting to see new things, and not the same old 50 tricks/patterns. I'm surprised that the flow group (or any group) can be happy seeing performances that are very samey, that haven't look into what's been done in the past. That's one generalization that fits me very well!

DawnDreams - - Parent

Canada doesn't pay it's coordinators. Not at the 3 biggest festivals, anyway.

The amount of jugglers who complain about being a daycare rather than a professional jugglers is huge. It's FAIR even. Learning huge amounts of skills for a decade to be underpaid and to run around with kids who can't juggle and play catch is slightly demeaning - unless you decide teaching recreational is what you want to do - which Flow Artists seem more okay with.
Perhaps not written well, I'll take that, but it sucks when you show up to a gig and you have to follow the daycare signs - and I'm not the only one to complain about it.

Nice sacking video.
Sophistication compared to the childish flow people - yes. People in the juggling world know their history. They know what's done before them. They aren't some neophyte who has no idea what site swap is, they have ideas about technique in their desired places.

Nice to actually get an analysis of the piece and not just "I don't like it"
Thanks.
Dawn

Mike Moore - - Parent

"Canada doesn't pay it's coordinators. Not at the 3 biggest festivals, anyway."

And not in any Canadian fests that I've heard of, either! What I'm saying is that I'm not opposed to paying them. In my experience, you are correct that they are not paid, but the opinion of "[jugglers] don’t believe coordinators should be paid for their work" felt like it was being pressed upon me. I don't think that's a sentiment widely shared.

Re: becoming a daycare, I think I understand your point better now. It made me more aware of my bias: I tend to mostly meet professional jugglers who are performing at juggling fests, and those are often the ones who've "made it [past the daycare stage]". In your example, I think that if the juggler has been hired to do (ony) a performance, and winds up spending (unpaid) time teaching children how to juggle, it's not unreasonable to be annoyed. If they're annoyed doing exactly what was described by their employer to do, I think that's unreasonable on the performer's end. (Personally, I teach juggling to children for free quite often, and sometimes organize events to do so - but true, I'm only one person).

"Nice sacking video."
Thanks...it's an unlisted video, and it's still had more hits than some of my public videos. A little embarassing.

Re: sophistication, I think that if one were to take the median (not mean - gotta keep people like Erik and David from skewing the trend too much!) knowledge of juggling history known by jugglers, and the average knowledge of flow history known by flow people, you're right. But saying that a community considers itself sophisticated, IMO, not expressing that opinion precisely enough. I think the very general binning of people/communities, without qualifiers or references to exceptions is what people are a bit up in arms about.

There are still lots of workshops I run at the IJA/other big fests that I can't speak siteswap in, because only half of the attendees are siteswap-literate. Your categorization of me in that regard is correct though, I really do wish people would learn siteswap (which is why I made an interactive video to teach it. No excuses, people!).

DawnDreams - - Parent

" I think the very general binning of people/communities, without qualifiers or references to exceptions is what people are a bit up in arms about."

Fair critique on perhaps a muddled use of language. If I had to guess what people would be up in arms about: being called sophisticated wouldn't have been my guess, but ok.

"Jugglers don't believe they should be paid for their work"
Is based on my experience running 2 festivals, and understanding the BJC model. Plus, being on the JugglingDB, contactjuggling.org and many many other discussions about "we should all be doing community work for free" discussion.

The flow artists will have none of those discussions. People get paid. Considering not-paying is crazy talk.

It is likely my strongest - easiest to prove point. Flow Festivals are expensive, in part because everyone gets paid. If you contribute, you get back that money in pay. It works as a system, but it's more a capitalist model.
Juggling festivals cost very little in comparison, because everyone is expected to participate/contribute and enjoys things more in a job well done, we're good friends kind of way.

I mean, hooping.org has ads - juggling edge doesn't. Why is that? Because they have different ideas about how money works.

emilyw - - Parent

I have a question about the people-get-paid model of festivals, since I've never been to one (unless you count IT conferences!).

I am interested in the demographic of the people who come as paid customers. Do you know how it differs from the demographic of paying customers at (say) a BJC? I'm assuming that the different pricing model would make for a substantially different demographic... but maybe I'm wrong! For example, do you get families/students/performers showing up as paying customers? Those are groups who often express difficulties with how high prices are at BJC.

Little Paul - - Parent

I'm going to take a wild stab at the demographic question, based on the narrow cross section of "flow artists" I've encountered (although that sample isn't statistically significant, and is highly biased by the environments I've encountered them in but...)

The demographic is white, middle class with disposable income, mostly late teens to mid 30s. I would say a 60:40 split male/female.

So not a million miles away from the average demographic of something like BJC really, just with a few more weave in neon dredlocks.

While I think of it, I'll just mention that one of my biggest gripes with the flow community (and possibly the article that started the thread) is a single word?

"artist"

it's such a loaded word, and to me it reeks of self importance and a willingness to look down on "mere jugglers" as they "don't understand flow, juggling is obviously devoid of art" - OK so that's as much my bias as theirs, but for me a word like that can really get in the way of what's important - getting together with other people to play with toys in ways the general public wouldn't expect anyone to put that much effort into learning.

emilyw - - Parent

What I'm trying to get at, is how the demographic differs from the juggling community demographic. You'd imagine that hiking festival prices so much would change the demographic, but does it?

Accessibility for families and students, but particularly for professional performers, has been a major driver behind keeping juggling festival pricing down, as I understand it.

Mike Moore - - Parent

"The flow artists will have none of those discussions. People get paid. Considering not-paying is crazy talk."

That's really interesting, and helps me understand the context of the article better. While I maintain that I am not against paid coordinators, you've made it clear that I am not as for paid coordinators as most people in the flow community!

I find it somewhat embarassing how clearly ignorant I am about the flow community. I'll try to take steps to learn more at my next fest.

Orinoco - - Parent

Interesting question. The Edge doesn't have ads because I don't like them. This is not really because of any anti-capitalist ideals, more because of my snobby desire for minimalism. I don't want *anything* to get in the way of the content. I want to read what you have to write, anything that gets in the way of that (by taking up space on the screen, adding attention grabbing colour schemes/animation or merely adding a few more milliseconds to the page load time) is a problem. Also a lot of big ad schemes come with user tracking (ever since visiting the new IJA site YouTube sticks a Your Membership ad in front of every other video I watch), I hate the thought of making money by selling my friend's privacy.

That said I do consider myself to be more socialist (communist, anti-consumerist) than capitalist so my design decision will have been influenced by my ideals. Interestingly I had these ideals before I learnt to juggle.

People have been subdividing the juggling community for years. I don't think there was anything in your article that I haven't heard from someone before (I don't mean that to be disparaging, I'm just saying I've been around a while), so I'm not sure why your article has triggered more response than others. I think a lot of the negative reactions have been caused by the language used. I have no doubt that everything you wrote was done in complete innocence & you had no intention of treading on anyone's toes but a little more effort to stress that it is just an opinion would have made it a lot easier to read. Acknowledging a North American bias would have helped too.

I think the nature of the backlash is in part down to self-centredness, you may well have described Flow artists as, "childish venture-capitalists" but as evidenced by the reaction from the people on the juggling dominated Facebook groups will not be able to get past the thought of, "hey, I've just been pigeon-holed!" to consider whether anyone else has been pigeon-holed too. Has anyone on the Flow forums complained about being mis-categorised? Here in the UK the BBC is often accused of bias, usually by both sides of an argument which is a very good sign that you are doing something right!

Well done for writing the article, I enjoy a good shake up!

DawnDreams - - Parent

Yup - not disparaged. Writing what I have heard since the beginning (2002). Not everyone has heard this stuff though, so it's good to be a point of reference for people to talk about something. "I agree or I disagree" goes a long way in furthering the conversation. :)

There are flow fests in the UK and Europe - the juggler just have NO IDEA they are happening.
For example: https://livelovehoop.com/bff/

I understand that it seems like Flow Arts is entirely in North America (West Coast Mostly), but it's leaking out into Europe and beyond.

The Flow Community hasn't complained as much as they say "I don't know how I feel about that"...
Which is fair.
Also, there are a few phrases I think could have been worded better on my part. I stand by my sentiments, but the wording of them could have been better.
I thought the first sentence of "I have drawn some inferences of the differences between the two worlds" and the passive use of the word tend towards i.e. "Jugglers tend, to be socialist in nature" covered me, but hey - i've learned otherwise.
Phrasing everything with "IMHO" may not conduct such enormous discussions though.

Although I do worry that I am just an asshole with an opinion.
It's possible, but I love my juggling and my flow communities. and somehow, asshole or not, they still seem to love me. ;)

Orinoco - - Parent

Best add that festival to the database then! https://jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=4035

Mïark - - Parent

The Brighton Flow Festival, from its website, looks like a one day series of four hula hoop workshops in a sports centre. So from this one source of evidence we should conclude that Flow Artists only meet indoors, it is only about top down teaching about the props, obsessively practising and focussing on technique, and having to take instruction from hoopists shown as performers in their photographs. Compared to a similarly priced Juggling Event: EJC which for me is a great get together, making up silly ideas, having fun, being sociable and participating in juggling.

There are lots of juggling and circus teaching workshops not listed on Juggling Edge I don't think there is conspiracy against flow events, there are 13 events listed on the Edge calendar with Flow in their title, all (with the exception of this Brighton event) are in north america mostly USA.

Could you name another non-juggling flow event in Europe?

Mike Moore - - Parent

The first half of the first paragraph came across, in my view, as unnecessarily sarcastic and attacky, and I didn't appreciate it.

I know very little about the flow community (and knew less, prior to this thread!), but some googling can answer your question:

https://swhoop.hoopingmad.co.uk/
(I was surprised here...under accomodation, it says that local hoopers will be happy to provide accomodation to out-of-towners for £20. Dawn's point about flow people not charging for things being ridiculous is being corroborated everywhere I look) (looks like no camping)

https://www.facebook.com/events/879722182078086
(Outdoor camping, looks like outdoor venue)

https://italianhoopconnection.wordpress.com/italian-hoop-connection-2014/
(Looks like it's held outdoors, no camping)

https://www.heartandhoopdance.com/location-hoop-dance-workshop-meditation-heartdance/
(Held partly indoors, partly outdoors, no camping)

https://www.germanhoopconvention.com/Welcome.html
(Looks like indoor venue, no camping)

https://www.ukhoopgathering.com/#/new-spanish-hoop-holiday-2015/4555398385
(Looks like outdoor venue)

https://www.facebook.com/events/364619143702879/
(Indoor and outdoor venue, not sure about accomodations)

Mïark - - Parent

Sorry it read as sarcastic or attacking, that was not my intention, I was trying to show that many of the traits attributed to jugglers in the original article could also be used for flow artists, (and vice versa) perhaps there the difference between people is not just whether they think of themselves as a flow artist or a juggler.

The author's experiences do not match my own in the juggling community, as a unicyclist who has dabbled with devilstick, contact juggling, levi-stick, hat manipulation - I don't think I have ever been told I am not a real juggler. I have also happily taught children and creating a technically proficient show has never been one of my ambitions (though I have inadvertently been in some technically far from proficient shows). I have not practised obsessively, have little care about how things might look to an outsider and do not use a mirror to practise. I enjoy the activity of juggling, not worrying how good I might be at it one day. I go to festivals primarily to meet people, drink tea and juggle. I don't consider myself sophisticated, I don't enjoy shows as I am a doing person not a watching person.

There are probably a few individuals who meet the stereotype created in the article, but probable more who don't. There are also differences from one country to another and differences between professionals and hobbyists attitude.

Flow looks like it is being used as a synonym for hooping, is this an attempt to distinguish it from Hoop Exercise, which looks like it might be the successor to Zumba as the new alternative form of exercise.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I especially agree that what consistutes juggling varies regionally, with variance even between clubs. Personally, I consider all of the activities you listed to be included in juggling except unicycling. Which is not to say I think unicycling is more or less worthwhile, or that I think it should/shouldn't be present at a juggling festival, just that it's sufficiently different to make categorizing it as juggling confusing/non-useful.

Another distinction: I wouldn't say someone unicylcing is "not a juggler", I would say that someone unicycling is "not juggling". I don't know whether this is a controversial view or not!

Mini - - Parent

WOW

i could not afford to be a hooper.


Swoop. £325 for 3 days, and the sit of accommodation references hotels in the £300 range..


splutter. i am a bum.

Little Paul - - Parent

If you had a hoop act though, I'd pay to see it :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Yeah, I once considered going to a German hooping convention, but they charge a lot and are fully booked 3 months before the event starts.... I'll wait until they beg me to perform :p

Little Paul - - Parent

I've lost track of where in the thread I'm posting, I hope this is in at least a vaguely relevant place.

On the "paid coordinator" side of things, there are many examples of BJC's (and even one notable EJC in Edinburgh) where the organisers have done very nicely out of it financially. Not every BJC ploughs any profit made into the juggling community, as the event is usually run by a limited company with directors, when the company is wound up those directors can opt to take a payment out of the company (subject to tax etc)

Of course, the IJA had (has?) a salaried festival coordinator for many many years.

Just because we like a 24 hour hall, doesn't mean we're immune to capitalism.

emilyw - - Parent

What I have noticed is a subset of jugglers who really do believe that making money, or more money than you "need", is inherently morally negative. I know someone who does circus workshops at a (very low) hourly rate, and won't charge for his admin or travel time because he thinks it would be wrong.

It reminds me a little bit of the argument that it's wrong to pay someone else to look after your kids (or your elderly parents) when you could do it yourself. There's a kind of pervasive belief that some kinds of work should be free. Sex work is another example! Or any kind of community work. This belief came in very useful for David Cameron when he suggested that the "Big Society" should take care of all kinds of things - which is another way of saying that people should be doing more kinds of work for free.

Then we end up in a discussion about who exactly should pay for work that is benefitting people who can't afford to pay for it themselves... and we end up talking about government funding for the arts, which comes with its own set of moral quandaries.

7b_wizard - - Parent

reminds of Tai Chi, Kung Fu Shaolin Bruce Lee -wisdom "flow like water", .. maybe spinning S-staffs at sundown, or else "being one with Ur props / with Ur pattern" .. would any of that count as "flow"?

mrawa - - Parent

Just been reading the about section on the flow arts site (https://flowartsinstitute.com/about-us/what-is-flow-arts/) and the linked wikipedia article.

I'm now pretty much of the impression that there is absolutely no difference between "Flow Arts" and what we in the UK consider the juggling/circus community[1].

The difference (may) lie in this "state of mind" that is mentioned but never explained fully[2]. This state of mind is nothing new, and certainly never originated with Flow Arts, juggling or circus. It's common in almost any activity you can think of. For me I've experienced it drawing, juggling, swimming, video gaming, and (weirdly) programming.

Lastly:
"crew learned through hours of discussions and meetings and some trials and tribulations that the ideologies between Juggling communities and Prop Spinning Communities are not the same. The difference of props is not what makes jugglers and Flow Artists different. The differences lies in philosophies."

I'd disagree... in my experience the difference between Spinning and Juggling communities is that jugglers really want an indoor juggling hall/big top with a high ceiling, whilst spinners are happy to setup in a field and spin.


[1] As far as the activities themselves are concerned.
[2] Unless you read the whole of the wikipedia article.

emilyw - - Parent

I'm thinking that the scene in general has the curious property of attracting people across the spectrum between extremely hippy woo people and people with an extremely scientific/analytical background. It's somewhat easier to find a hippy woo person in the "flow" camp and somewhat easier to find an engineer on holiday in the juggling camp.

There lie the roots of an overgeneralisation, and an attempt to shoehorn a variety of interesting observations into an overarching framework with a shaky foundation.

Little Paul - - Parent

Im replying here because of Emily's connections to the old Sokol panel... But...

Is anyone else reading this thinking that s lot of the claims made by flow people (meditative, sharing, teaching, mystical state of mind) and a lot of the external stereotyped images of flow people (soap dodging pot smoking hippies) remind them a *lot* of the early 1990s UK juggling scene?

All that "juggling is good for your brain" and "3 ball meditation" guff we were all spouting back then?

I say give it 25 years and the flow scene will look like the juggling scene does now

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

An excellent comparison to draw LP. Personally, I don't believe that early 90s juggling/contemporary flow are entirely symptomatic of the same phase of development of a popular skill, but I definitely do think there are plenty of similarities.

My experience of the 90s juggling scene included large dollops of harmless hippy bollocks, plenty of soft drugs and rave choons for those that cared for such things (and a polite understanding of those who didn't), but those were different times and were informed by the conditions a the time - the end of Thatcherism, lots of travellers and other alternative lifestyles, the sheer novelty of the nascent new circus scene, and so on and so forth. The flow community does not possess these precise conditions, and nor will any other community. The juggling scene of the 90s was very much of its time and will forever be unique in that respect.

God help the flow scene if, in twenty five years time, they have a plethora of Flow Swap simulators, and legions of teenagers flashing twelve poi.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Programming is my easiest way into this state, it's interesting to hear that you've shared that experience. It's also the subject that I get the most emotional doing (#2 is teaching, then probably juggling, but there's a big drop off after #2).

mrawa - - Parent

I had a feeling other people would get it programming!

For me I get this awareness of what's going on in the code, project, stack, environment etc. I'm able to happily go can change things, I can debug easier, and indistinctly remember where some code is without having to grep the project. If something causes me to drop out of the state then I get utterly confused and more often than not need to close all the terminals in order to start again...

Mike Moore - - Parent

Yes! For me it feels like I'm running the parts of code in my head, and following along the pieces of data as their jostled around by this and that. And, like you, when I get snapped out of it, it takes a while to get back in.

I once missed my own birthday celebration because I completely lost track of time while coding!

Orinoco - - Parent

My programming is figuratively (& in the case of the Edge sometimes literally) more akin to trying to hit a squirrel with a 16lb sledge hammer.

mrawa - - Parent

Haha, I know what you mean. That's pretty much my relationship with Java (stupid pointless context files!). Even when I'm in flow(?) I can't guarantee my coding is elegant, but it gets the job done.

DawnDreams - - Parent

I clarified my definitions before I wrote the article to try to avoid confusion.
https://flowartsinstitute.com/definitions-of-flow/

mrawa - - Parent

You might want to update this section regarding the second term:
"Musical flow, data flow, and the flow of electricity all fall under the category of expressions in the english language that use the term to express something that moves like a stream of water."

I'm not qualified to comment on Musical flow (other than the use of complementary consecutive melody[1], but with regards to the others:
Flow of electricity is indeed similar to water. Both travel the path of least resistance. Data on the other hand is completely different. Instead of following an overarching rule (resistance or gravity) it is determined by whatever the programmer wants it to do (usually the flow of messages between components/systems).



"a relatively new noun called the Flow Arts. We capitalize this name to differentiate it from the adjective descriptions above. It refers specifically to circus disciplines such as poi spinning, hula hooping, staff, fans, and many other prop related and movement arts. Many people will also use the term prop manipulation or spinning to describe the Flow Arts (stay tuned for a future article about why there is a difference between the terms)."
Couple of questions on this:
1 - You reference an article discussing how Flow Arts is different to spinning or prop manipulation. Has this been written yet, as I would love to read it.
2 - I'm still unclear of the definition of Flow Arts, and how it is different to juggling (is it perhaps the pursuit of fluid prop manipulation, as per your dancing analogy, whilst in a flow (psychology) mind state?




[1] Although I'm sure there are some compositions that work well with sharp/contrasting sections, but I'm more referencing freestyle jamming

DawnDreams - - Parent

I have written how it became named differently, but I have yet to get to the question of why it is different to juggling. https://flowartsinstitute.com/history-of-term-flow-arts/

Flow Arts, in some ways, is defined differently to escape the Rastelli Standard of Clubs (sticks), Rings (plates) and balls. It's "new juggling" or "object manipulation" (which is a synonym for juggling).

Those who frequent the flow arts scene are more likely to come from the music festival scene, and in that way it has a new energy to it - rather than the traditional - top down learning style, it's a bottom - up, reinvention of the wheel (juggling community).

I have some theories on how juggling DB's rejection of Cj'ers, Poi spinners and other props 10-15 years ago (when I started) created some identity politics which labeled us as "different", and in that, some people went and formed a group that they did feel belonging with.
for example:
https://www.juggling.org/~conway/juggler/MAQ.html#q1

I understand it was a joke, but "you're not a juggler" is a sentiment that - as a contact juggling - I ran into constantly in the juggling community. I still identified as a juggler, considering I have been juggling since I was 7 years old, but it was a stubbornness on my part. Many people felt that rejection deeply, and I believe the result ended in the fracture of the subcultures.

I would agree they are more similar than different. I did write an article on differences, but it's only because we can't ignore they exist.
As an example: I am a human. I am also a women. My experience and ideas are different than those of a man. They differ from the experience of all other identities than can be found. They are all unique and should be acknowledged as interesting and different ways to experience the world. Acknowledging differences acknowledges all of our identities as equally valid.

Juggler and Flow Artist are identities, and this is about identity politics in a random sub-culture.


It will be interesting. It is likely The two communities will inevitably merge. The idea that it was trying to polarize is interesting. It's actually just an attempt for us all to acknowledge our different identities within the same world of moving objects in space.

Mike Moore - - Parent

"I understand it was a joke, but "you're not a juggler" is a sentiment that - as a contact juggling - I ran into constantly in the juggling community."

Oh boy, if someone in my club said something like that, I'd be giving them a good talking-to. I hope you find that sentiment is dying out!

Orinoco - - Parent

Geeky point of order: The MAQ was first posted to rec.juggling in May 1994. The IJDb was born in 2001 & provided access to a pre-existing usenet group so I don't think it was Colin's fault!

Little Paul - - Parent

I blame Barry

Daniel Simu - - Parent

This is amazing! The maturing of a sub-culture :D

Juggling now has become such a big group that you don't need to associate any more with every juggler, and groups start to actively differ from each other. It is interesting development that we now have 'spinners' and 'jugglers', who also have their own conventions and training groups etc. There is still overlap, but who knows what evolves out of this! Back in the days there was not even a juggling subculture, everything was contained in the culture of 'circus'.

Of course this kind of growing has some negative side effects, such as negative stereotypes of other groups (jugglers don't like to teach kids, spinners are dreadlocked weed smokers), but overall it means that more people can enjoy the fun of juggling/spinning/circus :)

Oh btw I didn't read the article. Should I?

Chris - - Parent

I doubt you will learn anything from it. It is an opinion piece by someone who appears to be a flow person about how different jugglers are. The majority of the "facts" are mostly wild conjecture or just plain wrong.

DawnDreams - - Parent

Been in the scene since 2002.
I can juggle 5 balls, rings, clubs, boxes.
Was juggling club president for 5 years at various colleges/universities.
hosted Komei Aoki & Tony Duncan at my house,
Spent week at the Katakomben,
Traveled the world finding jugglers.
Hired as a juggler for a decade.
gone to hundreds of juggling festivals
organized 8 juggling festivals myself.

Yet, somehow, I am a flow-person. lol.

7b_wizard - - Parent

attempt to define "flow arts":
As subculture in the juggling community, it is the manipulation ('bodypulation'?) of props ( staffs, (fire)poi, astrojax?, meteor?, swinging-clubs, contact-balls, .. folding fans, .. ) mainly by spinning, swinging, twirling, rolling, without losing contact to the body and without losing a hold of them (i.e. not throwing, not tossing).
The focus is on aesthetics and flowing movements of the whole body merging with the prop's physical behavior (& the outward impression in performing on stage).
In a broader sense "flow arts" can be any art or sportive occupation devoted to meditative body culture (in the spirit of asian philosophy) as found - without props, then ;o]) - e.g. in Tai Chi Chuan or other martial arts.
- end def -

"Rock solid" perfect - even meditative - juggling has nothing of this "whole-body-and-mind-flow" .. U can do it standing still - merging with the pattern like a metronome or a clock.
Creative juggling in motion ( just saw Jay Gilligan's "evolution of juggling" ;o]) - yet another 'trend' focussing on prop's history :o] )
can be "play", "experimantal juggling", or then - if aimed on really mastering - "flow" in that sense.

I think it does make sense - call it pidgeon-holing or pegging as sth there isn't or .. - finding names for what we're doing when trends & streams crystalize away from what's usually done & seen. New trends, directions, ways, orientations to locate oneself into and to decide focussing on and finding one's way & identity as a .. [well .. choose! ] :o) .

(and don't forget the closely related Rhythmic Gymnastics)

I myself know this flow-feeling very well when juggling 3d (not in that plane before U, rather like triangular planes) or freestyle when i got no idea where the racketed balls will land and have to lt my hands do the thinking all by themselves. I have it when going to my limits having to take in martial arts' squat ground position, ready to bounce off the ground, or to pivot, or to do a crossing step. All in all it's just one - how major aspect I don't yet know.

Orinoco - - Parent

I've always thought of flow artists as people who are able to improvise & make whatever prop (or even no prop) they are using seemingly do whatever they like at will. A good flow artist will be able to perform a wide variety of tricks but the boundary between each one should be undetectable. Flow artists in my mind have more in common with jazz artists. So in that respect people like Stefan Sing, Minh Tam Kaplan & even Anthony Gatto are excellent flow artists.

I first heard the idea of flow art as jazz from a poi spinner.

7b_wizard - - Parent

that makes me look up jazzdance on wikipedia .. witout any enlightning but "dancers floating across the floor" ( °hovering°, really :o) ).
Yet another notion, that of "continuity" comes to my mind reading Ur post.

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pumpkineater23 - - Parent

It might be better if flow artist was shortened to one word I think. From now on I wish to be known as a fartist.

DawnDreams - - Parent

Flow Artist use Fartist to refer to themselves quite frequently!

I went away on tour all summer. Nice to read all the threads.

I'd like tea please, no biscuits.

Orinoco - - Parent

What do you mean by, "no biscuits"? I don't understand.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Bring on the Ginger Nuts! Lovely with an Earl Grey Tea.

Mïark - - Parent

Maybe I could write about people who like biscuits versus people who don't; "Are you a biscuit lover or not?" with facts like biscuit lovers make websites - non-biscuit lovers write articles; biscuit lovers are male - non-biscuit lovers are female, biscuit lovers have a high syllable to consonant ratio in their names - non-biscuit lovers have a low ratio.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

There may be 'non-biscuit lovers, I don't think there are any any non-biscuit likers though. If there are any then they're just fooling themselves.

magicalmarkwatson -

Hey Everyone!

#LestivalVIII - The 8th Leicester Circus Festival - is back again this year, ready to kick off the summer season of one-day conventions.

Taking place just one month after this year's highly anticipated BJC, come gather together in the heart of England for a great day of circus fun!

All your usual Lestival favourites - terrific space, great café, marvellous public show with yet another compére you won't have seen before ... and still just £8 for the whole day.

Check out the event details here - https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826 

If you're on Facebook, get yourself added to the event list for all the latest news - https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

Lot's of people working really hard to make this the biggest and best yet, so get it in your diary's and be there on May 2nd!

#LestivalVIII

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

Only 3 weeks to go until Lestival!

Don't know about you, butI'm getting BJC withdrawals already, so I can't wait for 2nd May!

Key detailsfor you to remember - Lestival VIII is taking place on Saturday 2nd May from10am til 10pm at Brockington College in Leicester. There will be workshops,games, cafe, a raffle and to round it all off a brilliant end of conventionshow - you'd be mad to miss it! Oddballs will be there selling all yourfavourite circus goodies. All this for just £8!!!

Invite your friends and helpmake this the biggest and best Lestival convention yet! https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160/

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

Lestival! is two weeks today!

We've got some masterclass workshops lined up for you, but I want to pack the day out with all the skills you lovely lot like to share!

So who's up for spreading some knowledge?

If you'd like to put on a workshop, from the beginners to the brainmelting, let me know and we'll give you a space and a convention full of minds!

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

Lestival VIII is just 8 days away, so in the run up I want to give you all 8 great reasons to get out of the house and be there for an amazing day! 

So, reason #8 - we have an amazing show line up for you all! We're holding back a few surprises, but I can announce that Josh Morris from Circus Uncertainty will be astounding us all. Also Eddy Bacon who recently won this year's title of British Young Juggler of the Year will be taking to the stage. And we have the delights of Mr Tom Derrick with his mixture of great skill and fantastic showmanship. 

All this and much, much more lined up for a cracking evening show! 

Please remember to invite all your friends to join the event page and let's make Lestival VIII the best yet!

https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826

https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

#LestivalVIII

The Void - - Parent

These reasons are reversing. *beep*

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

Everyone loves a countdown!

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

Lestival VIII is just one week TODAY! 
 
Reason #7 to be there with all your friends - in the afternoon, everybody will gather together in the main practice space to take part in the Games! What will you be competing in? Who will you be cheering for? Running and hosting the Games this year will be none other than Zoo Christian​ - a Leicester local with many year's experience and great enthusiasm for running Games sessions.

It's bound to be a highlight of the day, you'd be mad to miss it! Please remember to invite all your friends to join this event page and let's make Lestival VIII the best yet!

https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826

https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

#LestivalVIII

lukeburrage - - Parent

Club balance endurance. That's my game.

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

One week today and it'll all be over! With just 6 days until Lestival VIII, reason #6 for you all to be there - once again we will be serving delicious food, refreshing beverages and tasty snacks from our wonderful Café! 

Carrie Hunt and her helpful team of volunteers will be on hand to fulfil all your culinary wishes. From hot & cold drinks, to extravagant sweet treats, and of course our usual range of value-for-money baguettes made fresh to order! 

We don't want you to miss a moment of the convention, and with all this provided on site you don't have to!
Please remember to invite all your friends to join this event page and let's make Lestival VIII the best yet!

https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826

https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

Just 5 days to go, folks! Reason #5 not to miss the best Lestival yet - we have a fantastic range of workshops and masterclasses lined up for you all.

Twinkle has been working hard to pull together some of the best sessions to enable everyone to learn something at this year's Lestival. 

I'll be running my "Learn to Juggle 5 Balls" workshop for anyone that wants to master the 5 ball cascade.

Also, one of our show performers, Oscar Richards, will be running an exciting masterclass in contact staff! (Oops, did I just let out another one of our acts for the show. Little piece of bonus news for you there!!!)

Remember to invite all your friends to sign up on the event page, nobody should miss out!

https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826

https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

4 days to go! Reason #4 - did you know it's been 4 weeks since we were all together at the BJC in Darton? That's such a long time since the last UK convention, absolutely crazy!

Come along to Lestival and relive all your favourite BJC memories, not to mention make a lot of new ones in our wonderful venue at Brockington College.

If you weren't at the BJC this year - come hear what all the fuss was about! Better yet, bring along a few friends too, and make the most of a day full of circus mayhem...

https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826

https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

#LestivalVIII

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

3 days! 3 DAYS!!!!! Reason #3 not to miss this year's Lestival - I'm sure you can't have missed this, but this Saturday is part of a 3 day weekend. That means that you can come to Lestival, have an incredible day, and still have your usual 2 days off work to relax and enjoy. 

Even better, your juggling fun doesn't have to stop with Saturday! Over in Loughborough on the Friday night and Sunday lunchtime is LSU Fever - the Loughborough Uni Circus Society. They are very welcoming to guests, and we'd love to see a few of you there to keep the circus fun going. They meet 7pm - 9pm on the Friday in William Morris Dance Studio, and on the Sunday 11am - 2pm in Room 1 within the Union building. 

For more info please speak to Abigail Frankish and, as always, invite your friends!

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

2 days 'til the wonderful Lestival! Reason #2 to be there or be square - we have a fantastic line up of traders supporting us this year!

Oddballs will be there, offering a wide range of circus treats for you all! Lazy Juggler will have their usual array of games and activities - why not buy a brand new board game and spend the afternoon playing it alongside the cafe? And last but certainly not least, Gravity Outlaws will be selling goodies of all shapes and sizes! 

Yet another great reason to get your butts over to Leicester this Saturday - why not bring some friends along as well? Keep your eye out on the Facebook page, lots of updates coming up...

https://www.jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=3826

https://www.facebook.com/events/1545948065691160

magicalmarkwatson - - Parent

1 day to go! In just 12 hours time, we will be open for business! ACTION STATIONS EVERYONE!!! 

The #1 reason you should all be at Lestival tomorrow is... It's a juggling convention! What better reason is there? 

If you've missed my previous posts, let me remind you we have - amazing practice spaces, incredible workshops, delicious food and drink from our cafe, new toys to buy from our traders, games to play, raffle prizes to be won and to top it all off a brilliant show lined up to finish it off! All this for just £8 for the whole day - you'd be mad to miss it! 

Get yourselves over to Leicester, doors open at 10am and there will be plenty of happy faces there to welcome you. Above all, we want each and every one of you to have the best time! And make sure to bring your friends to share in the fun!

JIUJuli -

Hi everyone,
I´m new here. I´m Juli from Germany. I have been juggling for some time, though I´m getting more interested in the online community recently. I´m trying to get 5 clubs to work but mostly I´m interested in passing and takeouts. Won´t make it to the BJC (as last year and the years before) but will be at ejc for sure.

Mïark - - Parent

Hi JIUJuli

Welcome to the Edge, it is good to see more people interested in passing and takeouts, sorry to hear you won't be at BJC this year.

JIUJuli - - Parent

yeah, thx. I guess that means it will be Limoncello at ejc Bruneck (as the Berlin convention won´t take place this year)...

Mïark - - Parent

Oops! in my anglocentric mindset I misread BJC as British Juggling Convention rather than Berlin JugglingConvention. Yes, it is quite sad that Berlin isn't happening this year as it is one my favourite juggling conventions.

Are you looking forward to the homemade Limoncello at Bruneck?

JIUJuli - - Parent

Oh no, that´s fine. I was planning to come to BJC this year but can´t make it. As Berlin is not taking place, we´ll next see at ejc. The homemade Limoncello is very good. I added a lot less sugar so it´s not so sweet. I can drink it without Bitter Lemon, now. And I´ll bring it to ejc although I feel stupid, bringing Limoncello to Italy.

Orinoco - - Parent

Hi Juli, welcome to the Edge.

I'd normally ask about your juggling, but now that I know what Limoncello is I'm more interested in that. Do you have a recipe?

JIUJuli - - Parent

Sure do. Will be tested by Italians in a blind, controlled study on Friday. If it´s any good I´ll post it. If not, we can talk juggling...

Dee - - Parent

Oh... tell me more about this study design.... if anyone is interested in this type of thing it's one of the interesting parts of my job [setting up randomisation schemes for clinical trials!]

JIUJuli - - Parent

Wow, then, I expect you can help me, Dee!
As I´m usually working in cell-based assays I´m purely pre-clinic.
I´m using Limoncello from a German supermarket and Limoncello of Novella´s favorite brand from Italy as controls.
I was thinking to do double blind, so I´d let a colleague who does not drink set up 3 same plates with shot glasses of Limoncello on same color napkins, labelled under the plate. Randomisation for 3 samples? I guess that would be up to that colleague...is there a strategy for 3? Maybe I should let him offer each sample twice, that´d make it 6 samples and more options? Anyway, double blind should remove any bias and I told only you jugglers that I myself consider the home-made Limoncello very good because it is not too sweet. My colleagues did not get any information beforehand. As to the number of test persons, I´ll have to wait who shows up on friday - scientists always have some more work to do. I was planning to let each of them make a list which they liked best, second best and least with 1 keyword as to the reason for their decision (like: too sweet).
So, what do you think of this study design?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

So, 6 six or more shots per test subject, a sample size unlikely to provide conclusive results, and the very great risk of alcohol-skewed data? Yep, that sounds like any normal Friday night at a juggling convention! Bring it on.

Dee - - Parent

As mentioned, you need to think  about the effects of alcohol consumption on the taste buds - so I would think about some "drink" scales such as "overall flavour", "sweetness", and "acidity" [and whatever else you may want to consider when comparing the drinks].

As alcohol is involved, I'd keep the questions simple:
For example:
Rank the samples on the colour (if they can't distinguish between two make a note of that).
now
Rank the samples on the sweetness [not how much they like the sweetness level] if they can't distinguish between two make a note of that.
now
Rank the samples on the acidity [not how much they like the acidity level] if they can't distinguish between two make a note of that.
now
Rank the samples on the initial flavour if they can't distinguish between two make a note of that.

From this you may be able to conclude that your subjects prefer a "middle level of sweetness"

If you were doing a scoring rather than a ranking system you could leave more of a space between sampling and also consider the aftertaste of each, but I wouldn't go that far here.  When working on my PhD (in a food research institute) I experienced lots of taste-testing under red-light conditions [so that we couldn't judge the colour of what we were trying out!].  Managing the colour by using white napkins underneath the drinks is an easier way - especially because you do want to think about the colour in this instance.

Good luck and enjoy the tasting.

Little Paul - - Parent

It's not science unless someone is wearing a lab coat

JIUJuli - - Parent

Results of Limoncello tasting and winning recipes
It certainly was not science as we did it outside of the lab - so no one wore lab coats!
Summary:
A test group of 9 people (5F, 4M) tested 4 different recipes of Limoncello.
Favorite was #1, ranked best by 7 out of 9 testers and second best by 1/9.
Second favorite was #2, ranked favorite by 1/9 and second by 5 out of 9 tasters.
Color of Limoncello is not important, as #2 had lowest score on good color for 9/9 testers and still it ranked second in overall favorite.
Acidity is negative in Limoncello, as winning samples on overall favorite (#1 & #2) scored medium to low on acidity.
Medium to high sweetness is preferred as the favorite sample (#1) is second on sweetness whereas the second favorite (#2) is ranked as sweetest.

Recipe #1
Peel the yellow skin off 4 lemons. Be careful not to include the white skin as this will give a bitter taste.
Add the lemon skin to 500ml of 96% ethanol and incubate at room temperature for 10 days.
Heat 1.5L of tap water and dissolve 300g sugar. Let cool.
Pour the lemon ethanol through a fine mesh.
Mix lemon ethanol and sugared water at v/v ratio of 1:3 to obtain < 2L of >32% alc. Limoncello.
Store and serve at -20°C.


Recipe #2
Enter German supermarket
Find "Limoncé"
Go to register before 10pm (after 10pm, no alcohol may be sold)
Pay ~ 8€
Store at room temperature and serve at -20°C.

There are leftovers...

Chris - - Parent

https://youtu.be/BSUMBBFjxrY

Certified science.

^Tom_ - - Parent

A German supermarket open after 8pm... so the rumours are true that they exist outside of Karlsruhe?

Do you have any graphs? I'm pretty sure that a pie chart would be the best way to record* the data**.


* record = annoy
** data = statistician

Orinoco - - Parent

Sounds delivious, but on the serving temperature is that correct? Strikes me as rather cold.

JIUJuli - - Parent

@ Tom:
Yes, outside of Bavaria, everything is possible.
If I get another break from work, I´ll make the worst worst 3D rainbow colored graph and bring it together with the Limoncello on Saturday. Otherwise I try to stay away from excel.
Good luck in the exams!

@ Orinoco:
4°C and then on ice tastes ok but the Italians in the testing group were adamant about -20°C being THE ONLY temperature.

...and now I´m off to prepare a workshop on an ambidexterous passing pattern for 3 people - 'La vache qui rit'!

^Tom_ - - Parent

Welcome!
If any of the lemoncello is left over after Friday and you urgently need to get rid of it before the end of the month... then I might know someone who could help.

Maria - - Parent

Hi Juli
I'm new here too. Passing is great!

JIUJuli - - Parent

Hi Maria,
greetings to Sweden!

Maria - - Parent

Just curious. Did you read that I'm from Sweden, or did you figure it out some other way?

Daniel Simu -

Webforum Trivia #2

I collected these questions so why not post them.. Also it was much harder this time to come up with fun questions of which I knew the answer and which could not be easily researched on the internet! Again I hoped to have a mix of easy, hard and fun questions.
Maybe someone else wants to create a 3rd set? I'd love to test my own knowledge!

Show off your random knowledge, answer the questions below!

Q1: Which juggler also created a popular freeware animation application? (watch out, he might be reading this!)
Q2: Which two glowclub acts feature very similar holes in the backs of their costumes?
Q3: Which performer had each of his juggling rings made out of 2 small hoops?
Q4: What makes you a good 6 ball shower juggler?
Q5: Who created this animation? https://imgur.com/duoUBHE
Q6: Who won the super long 5 ball endurance at the EJC 2013?
Q7: Which German comedian wrote a song about juggling?
Q8: Which diabolo trick was named after a sword?
Q9: Which prop can be filled with water for training purposes?
Q10: Which busker had a huge insect tattooed on his head?
Q11: Whose shoes is Florian Müller trying to steal nowadays?
Q12: Which magician believed he was the first to pass 9 clubs with his partner?
Q13: How do you call the 'chair' of the antipodist?

Brook Roberts - - Parent

Q1: Peter Bone - https://pivotanimator.net/
Q4: You just need to be one.
Q5: Luke Burrage, way back, http://www.lukeburrage.com/blog/archives/1001
Q12: Maybe Penn Jillette? https://youtube.com/v/b4RAx9BWc-w?start=172

Daniel Simu - - Parent

4 points for brook! :D
As for Q12, there are some interviews where Jilette claims to be the first and in Garfield's technical juggling booklet he admits that he only thought to be the first, but some Russians beat him and Moschen to it.

Chris - - Parent

Who is the other commentator?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

It sounds like one of the guys from the passing zone, but I can not be 100% certain.

Adrian G - - Parent

Only know one off the top of my head that hasn't been answered...

Q8 - Excalibur

Q6 - I remember it was around 1 hour 20 mins but forget who and don't want to google for the answers...

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Q8 correct, one point for Aidan!

I wasn't there myself but I also heard 1:20 something. I googled myself to check if it wasn't to easy, and I couldn't find the name of the juggler... Still unanswered :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Sorry for misreading your name, one point for Adrian, not Aidan....

Adrian G - - Parent

Haha, people seem to mix them up a lot... I suppose my name just has an 'r' and a couple of letters swapped...

Also, Q13 I've heard 'trink' used but not sure if it's the correct term...

Daniel Simu - - Parent

CLOSE

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Oh well, close enough I guess, I see at some places it has been renamed to 'trink' to suit the English language better

The correct answer would have been: Trinka!
One point for Adrian

Julius - - Parent

Q6 - that was bar

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Bar Mualem is correct! One point for Julius :)

The Void - - Parent

Q7: Which German comedian wrote a song about juggling?
If it was Udo Lindenburg or Henning Wehn I'd like to hear it.
Q8: Which diabolo trick was REnamed after a sword?
Vertax Genocide. (Always worth a plug: https://www.capsule39.com/tlmb_vertax.php )
Q9: Which prop can be filled with water for training purposes?
Buckets. Shaker Cups. Hats. Although some would say those are more for entertainment purposes. Any DX or Bubble-style ball.
Q10: Which busker had a huge insect tattooed on his head?
The Butterfly Man

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Q7: Wrong and wrong
Q8: What does the Genocide have to do with it? In order to write down this question correctly I scanned trough the diabolo.ca forums and it seemed that the name vertax only popped up after excalibur. Vertical diabolo was popular as well though.
But which trick has not been renamed at some point? My old-school juggling teacher refuses to call the 3b box the box, rather the U shape!
Q9: Buckets are not on my list of juggling props :p, who fills shaker cups and hats for training? bubble style balls are kind off pointless without fill.
To be more exact: Yes, there have been performers performing with this juggling prop on stage filled with water but originally you'd fill it with water to test out your skill: Can you still play without spilling water?
Q10: Robert Nelson, the Butterfly Man is correct!

One point to Void!

The Void - - Parent

I was 100% certain that I had at some point posted on DCA saying "it was called Vertax when Andy P was doing it in the mid 90s", but I can't find such a post. Well, I've said it here now. And it was you that specified a diabolo "trick", as opposed to a style, so I adhere to my answer of Vertax Genocide.
And for q9, I'll modify my answer of Buckets to The Buckets (or bowls) on the ends of a Meteor.
Two more points please. :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I agree that it is more of a style, but I thought if I'd call it a style in the question it would be too easy :p.
But why a point? Adrian already gave a correct answer!

Q9: Meteor is of course completely correct! :D

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Tennis balls for tennis-balls-and-can are also traditionally filled with water to make it easier

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I keep on learning new fun facts from this thread :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Q1: Which juggler also created a popular freeware animation application? (watch out, he might be reading this!)
A: Peter Bone - answer from Brook Roberts

Q2: Which two glowclub acts feature very similar holes in the backs of their costumes?
....

Q3: Which performer had each of his juggling rings made out of 2 small hoops?
....

Q4: What makes you a good 6 ball shower juggler?
A: Just B1 - answer from Brook Roberts

Q5: Who created this animation? https://imgur.com/duoUBHE
A: Luke Burrage - answer from Brook Roberts

Q6: Who won the super long 5 ball endurance at the EJC 2013?
A: Bar Mualem - answer from Julius

Q7: Which German comedian wrote a song about juggling?
....

Q8: Which diabolo trick was named after a sword?
A: Excalibur - answer from Adrian G

Q9: Which prop can be filled with water for training purposes?
A: Meteor hammer - answer from The Void

Q10: Which busker had a huge insect tattooed on his head?
A: Robert Nelson aka the Butterfly man - answer from The Void

Q11: Whose shoes is Florian Müller trying to steal nowadays?
....

Q12: Which magician believed he was the first to pass 9 clubs with his partner?
A: Penn Jilette - answer from Brook Roberts

Q13: How do you call the 'chair' of the antipodist?
A: a trinka - answer from Adrian G

The scoreboard:
Brook Roberts: 4 points
Adrian G: 2 points
The Void: 2 points
Julius: 1 point

4 more questions to be answered!

Julius - - Parent

Q11 - thats Christoph Buch
i was very astounded when christoph told me that he now does it and for how long the show actually exists. i dont remember the actual number of years though. so for personal interest:
Q11': When was Get the Shoe performed for the first time?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

A point for Julius
And a new question! I don't know, but googling around told me they performed at the EJC in Carvin, 2004!
That is longer ago than I had thought...

The Void - - Parent

Q1.
Paul Klimek https://www.ministryofmanipulation.com/blog/quantum-juggling-online-pattern-simulator/
Q1.
Nathan Peterson https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ijuggle/id306936948?mt=8
Q1.
Colin Wright... not sure, but I have a feeling his simulator may have become free at some point. Not currently remembering the name of it doesn't help research.... Ah, found it. Hmm, it's shareware. Oh well. https://www.solipsys.co.uk/new/JuggleKrazy.html

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I was already afraid this would happen, hence I wrote 'popular' animation software with which I hoped to make clear it was outside of juggling world ;). But for this much extra answers you get a bonus point!

Will you make the next set of questions Void?

Rob van Heijst - - Parent

I knew four of the answers but I guess I'm too late to the party. The 'You just have to b1' answer made me giggle!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

There are still 2 questions unsolved, niets is onmogelijk!

DavidCain - - Parent

Q3: Vladimir Tsarkov? - https://youtu.be/0YYzIyZlxBg

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Correct!

That went quick, only 2 more questions to go:

Q2: Which two glowclub acts feature very similar holes in the backs of their costumes?
Should be not too hard since there are not that many notable glow club acts.. Although I found it hard to find pictures that show the backs of their costumes, so you might only be easy if you've seen them live!

Q7: Which German comedian wrote a song about juggling?
Also easy, ask any German juggler! I believe this song was even performed by the author at one of the BJCs (BERLIN)

ChrisD - - Parent

Q2: The Gandinis are obvious candidates, but who to match? I'm guessing, wildly, FlameOz.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Gandini is 50% of the answer indeed. FlameOz I've never heard of.

Little Paul - - Parent

Feeding The Fish are the only other notable glow act that springs to mind, but I can't honestly say I can remember anything about their costuming.

ChrisD - - Parent

If not FTF, how about Light Fantastic? The only time I've seen them was at Bungay and they didn't have their costumes - lovely glo-club jugging though!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Nope, not Light Fantastic. Keep the guesses coming!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Yeah, costumes seem to be not so important if you work in the dark anyway. That is why I was so surprised someone thought it was necessary to copy Gandini.... But it was not Feeding The Fish!

Little Paul - - Parent

That's who I had in mind, although as much as I could see his costume/rings in my minds eye I couldn't get any further than "Vladimir someone"

Daniel Simu - - Parent

His stage name "Red Harlequin" is perhaps easier to remember :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Time is up!
And the final answers here:
Q2: Which two glowclub acts feature very similar holes in the backs of their costumes?
Gandini and Team Jonglissimo. It is hard to see on the pictures..
Team Jonglissimo performed this act at Cirque de Demain, did Gandini do that as well?
Gandini, 1st juggler from left: https://imgur.com/4PXkKAd
Jonglissimo, 3rd juggler from left: https://imgur.com/osncroz

Q7: Which German comedian wrote a song about juggling?
Sebastiam Kraemer - Die welt braucht keine jongleure (The world does not need jugglers)
https://youtu.be/jt5ZtwNLHlc
He sings about his neighbor who is a juggler.

Julius - - Parent

I've been at that convention where he performed the song, he was the moderator of the gala show.. I didnt know that he was a known comedian though.

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