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Stephen Meschke -

Digital rights and juggling resources in the public domain.

I am creating a juggling app. My app requires several digital resources.

My app has a library of juggling tricks. Each trick has a name, animation, capacity, difficulty level, description, and a video tutorial. Other sites (Juggling Wiki, Library of Juggling, and others) have already created data for this library. For the purposes of my app, it would be very useful to have this data consolidated into a single JSON file. Do I have the rights to do this? Can I combine the data from Juggle Wiki, Library of Juggling, and other sites into a single JSON file, and then use it in my app?

Please provide any insight or opinion you may have on this matter.

  • Can I copy user-generated text from a site like Wikipedia or Juggle Wiki?
  • Can I copy text from a private site like Library of Juggling?
  • Is there a database of tricks (with name, animation, description, etc...)?
  • Can I use juggling .gifs created with a siteswap animator?
  • Can I embed videos from in my app?
  • Does attribution make any of these things okay?
  • Is there are repository of juggling related images that is in the public domain?

Richard Loxley - - Parent

As I understand it, copyright law in most countries says you cannot use any of these resources unless the copyright owner has said you can.

Check the licensing conditions on all the websites concerned to see if they have put the resources in the public domain or otherwise licensed them for wider use (for example using Creative Commons licensing).

You could also approach the site owners to ask them.

Often copyright owners will be more receptive to licensing content to not-for-profit endeavours. So if your app is free and doesn't have adverts they might be more inclined to let you use their content.

But you always need permission, so do check each resource.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Thanks! Copyright law is incredibly confusing.

I have checked the terms of use to find licensing conditions, but that turned out to be a dead end. I'll try reaching out to the webmasters.

Hermit Of Masada -

Have you guys seen this?
The weight and balance is probably wrong, and it seems like it wont take much of a beating, but it seems like a good solution for the staffer on the go. And there must be a few interesting (and non gimmicky) tricks to be found.

Rosie -

Juggling community please help me

I need somewhere to stay october 16th and 17th (tuesday night and wednesday night) in london, preferably stratford area, or close to there.

I will only be there night time. And am happy with sofa, floor, whatevers.

I would really really like somewhere to stay

Can anyone help or suggest something??

Mïark - - Parent

The is a facebook equivalent to Jugglestay if you don't get a response here.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I can help, I wrote you on FB :)

Tyson -


Just wanted to inform people that there is a juggling fest called turbo fest that is on january 3-6 in Quebec.
I am not someone running this, I just didn't see it on the events list. :)


Mïark - - Parent

If you see a jugling event missing and you are confident of the details then you should add it. You should let the organisers know you have added it to Juggling Edge otherwise you are a bit responsible for keeping that listing up to date, eg if it changes date.

It does look fun in the video, shame it is so far away.


_Tommy -

Opinions Please!

When is a good time to start learning 6/7 Balls ?

What do you think is a good proficiency level to achieve for 5 balls before moving onto higher numbers.
I.e Number of catches, height of pattern, confidence ect?

I am learning to juggle 5 ball cascade I have been for a couple months now.
My personal best about 70 catches at the time of writing this, (will record and check this weekend).
When I get going on a good session about 30-40 catches average for the runs.

Do you think I should try learning; 3 in one hand in each hand, 3 ball snake ect and other pre-requisites whilst learning 5, or just go for it with 6/7?

Any advise would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!


7b_wizard - - Parent

Can't tell for 6b, 3 in one hand, just for 7b:
first thing will be to get used to the additional balls in hands at launch; that can make sense already when you get 5b runs of like 30-50 catches ( which I believe is a first level of running 5b before new hurdles appear like drifts, twists, bad posture, smoother technique that you need for enduring longer ); but you can't yet expect to get longer runs of 7b, much over a flash, before you don't with 5b feel comfortable also at 7b-height and 7b's speed.

I'd say, just try out how good you're doing with 6b and-or 7b - if you're mainly failing and dropping and losing time picking up drops and don't get into any practise rhythm that feels like getting you somewhere -> go back to rather invest that time into controlling 5b better in all kinds of simple variations of height, width, speed, moving with the pattern, short dwelltime, higher handspeed and alike. A (`the´) relevant vid for systematic practise is here: For 6b, that would then be doing those exercises with the fountain with 4b. The more you feel that you're actually really improving with more ball(s), the more investing more time into it makes sense and is then more fun and feels better.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Oh, forgot, .. if you're familiar with and feel comfortable doing siteswaps and don't mind doing with gaps (0-s) and holds (2-s) and fast hand to hand passes (1-s, Ones), aaahnd don't mind doing in a `broken´ rhythm, then a just as good an approach is to train siteswaps with consecutive 6-s, resp. 7-s, in them, like 5b-77722, 5b-771, 5b-7733, 5b-66661, 6b-77772 or alike ( cf. ).

_Tommy - - Parent

Thank you very much for your response, 7B_Wizard

Firstly I think you have summarized it very well in terms of the drifting and twisting, I am just getting used to wrangling it under control, which is very Satisfying! And I now see how being able to maintain the pattern with clean lengthy runs over time seems to be the best method to preparing for 7.

I'll try some runs of 6/7 this week and continue working on the height and "simple variations of height, width, speed, moving with the pattern, short dwelltime, higher handspeed and alike". That is extremely helpful, and a great way of putting it.

I definitely agree with putting in more time when you feel it paying off, my 4 ball has gotten much better recently since my in air awareness with 5 has gone up and everything in general is slowing down in the air and collisions are less common.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thank  y o u  for giving the opportunity to - unlike in this very sentence right now - say something useful   :o}     ( = You're welcome, great, it helped! )

No, serious, wrangling it under control, which is very Satisfying! .. yeah, the difference between being chased about the place by your pattern and putting it where you want to.

Jus' one more idea .. it might or might not help to use smaller balls to start with higher amounts (unless these slip through your fingers).

_Tommy - - Parent

Additionally in response to your sideswap assistance, I have been doing basic sideswap patterns but will have to give the ones mentioned ago, they look like great fun!

In regards to the balls,I have been using a mixture of Juggle Dream Pro Sport 120g, and Silx Light (120g) 78mm balls.

I think that the juggle dream help with getting longer runs, and recoveries and controlling the pattern, which I only use inside.
Juggling 5 balls with the silx light balls helps for well scooped throws and better arches crossing in the air and consistent timing, and they look much better, and as I practice outside alot, they are my go to as I live in a rainy country.

I have found that warming up with the bags and then moving onto the balls works really well for me, when I feel the pattern sinking in.

Your advise is very much appreciated

-Kind regards

Mats1 - - Parent

For 6 balls, you want to be able to run 3 in one hand, in your worst hand, for ~15 or more catches at best before you start learning the fountain (remember, scoop!).
For 7 balls, I think you need to be over 100 catches of 5 balls before you start work on 7 (5 balls is not really under any proper amount of control before you break 100 catches).

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Matts,

Thank you for your response, apologies for the delay.

I think that the numbers you have set out are very reasonable and I really like the Scoop Imagery!

I think i'll put learning 7 ball back on the shelf for a bit, and learn more of the pre-requisites, and spend lots of time on 3 in one hand!

Kind regards

Orinoco - - Parent

Several years ago I think it was Haggis Mcleod who used to recommend starting to learn 5 clubs as soon as possible purely because it took so long to learn which I think is as good a reason as any. The sooner you learn a skill the sooner you can enjoy using it.

Instead of thinking about whether to start learning something, can you think of any reason that starting to learn it would be detrimental to you?

You don't need permission to start learning a new skill, if you think it is fun just get to it!

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Orinoco

Thank you for your insight,

I like the mentality of getting the ball rolling, however slowly.

Now that I have 7 Juggle dream balls, I will try doing some 7 ball flashes every now and then! In addition with lots of sideswap techniques that 7B_Wizard recommended. But leave the serious practice until I get a little better with 5.

And get 2 more Px3's for the 5 club cascade, however far ahead it is!

Kind regards


Stephen Meschke - - Parent

It's too early to start training with 6 and 7. You can maximize your learning rate by training with 2,3,4, and 5 balls. It's okay to give 7 balls a try, but don't spend too much time on it.

Please record more records, so that it is easier for others to see your skill level.

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Stephen

Thanks for your advice,

I will be concentrating on sideswaps and some different 4 and 5 ball tempo/ height variations ect.
Giving 7 ball flashes a try every now and then after warming up and going back to 5 to slow the pattern down even more.

I will upload some more records over the next few weeks to give users an idea of my skill level.

Many thanks

TreePine -

How do I make cascade when throwing high not go wide (how to reduce wide ness in through for 2 balls and more) if possible please provide a video.

peterbone - - Parent

It would help if I could see what your current pattern looks like when throwing high. It may be that your arms are too narrow when throwing. That means that collisions are more likely, which may force your throws wider. It may sound counter intuitive, but making your arms wider may help you keep the pattern from getting too wide. The higher the throws the wider the arms need to be. Imagine the 2 arcs from each hand crossing at 90 degrees near the top of their trajectories. This applies to cascade only. Check out Gatto's arm positions during 9 balls or Alex Barron with 11.

TreePine - - Parent

Sure. It I think there to widethouh and about balls colliding there not likely as I get maybe 2 collisions out of 100 throws.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Scoop with hands, throw more from middle, I'd say, in order to be able to throw a steeper angle under the last ball up.

TreePine - - Parent

Oh ok thanks ;).

Marvin -

The Green Eggs Report for September 2018 is now available. Last month 30 people made 115 posts containing 28 links. See past reports.

TreePine -

Expect to see some clips here in a few days to ask for improvement on my juggling (all 2 balls) probably just going to show 2 ball cascade reverse and shower or what ever my weird one is called. Won’t have face (I like privacy) probably face camera hands or filming in first person.

7b_wizard - - Parent

You have to aim well, so that you don't have to reach out and all about the place for catching, but have the balls landing well. When they land well, you have much more time for aiming well and to start over again from where it says: "You have to aim well, .." where this post begins.

TreePine - - Parent

I know to aim well.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hm, .. then maybe dare to do higher, bigger, maybe wider too, for it to be easier to find into a comfortable beat?

Roos Van Velthoven -

Hello Everyone,

I hope everyone is well.
I used to juggle a lot as a kid and as a teenager until school became too demanding. I'm looking into getting back into it.
Just wondering if there is anyone on here that lives around Preston, Lancashire?
Juggling is always more fun if done together and it would be amazing to have some juggling friends near me :)

I am a bit rusty so please be prepared for some ball drops...

Also on a side note, I am studying neuropsychology and I'm looking into doing a study which involves the brain and juggling. If anyone is interested please let me know :)



Daniel Simu - - Parent

Welkom Roos!

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Roos

I live in the south, but any questionnaire/ research I am able to help with I will. Count me in!

It's hard finding people who juggle, you could teach someone enthusiastic to practice with possibly!

You may find somewhere in the 'CLubs' section at the top within driving distance to attend weekly, or start your own society at Uni!


mike.armstrong - - Parent

Hi Roos,
Depending on your transport you might want to check out Lancaster University who had a strong club last year (though with uni clubs you can never tell if they'll survive from one year to the next!) and also Blackpool Tower Circus who set up a juggling club a few years ago...I'm not sure if that's still going.
Also Durham Convention (actually in Barnard Castle, so not as far as it sounds!) is coming up this month, and there's also Leeds Convention in November.

Hoppity - - Parent

"Some ball drops"? Ha! I too am getting back into juggling and I spend half my time picking up the balls.

If you're interested in the effects of starting juggling again at 70 then I'm happy to contribute.


Nick Neo -

Hi fellow jugglers! Feels great to be in here! I'm Nick

The Void - - Parent

Welcome aboard, Nick!

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