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kimoi -

Is it normal to be able to run the 5 ball cascade for 300+ catches without much trouble, but at the same time not be able to do more than 4-ish rounds of any siteswap? I spend most of my time practicing different siteswaps with 5 balls yet I never seem to improve much on them.

7b_wizard - - Parent

For my part, I think, it's normal ..
with some work / time put into it, I would get to about ten rounds of a trick - I like towers - which is then already 50 throws of it, being a respectable fraction of even hundreds of catches of the cascade endured.
Siteswapping truly IS genuinely different from doing a same kind of throw on and on, I say; there's more vivid 'music' in them, melody, rhythm, beat, funk, anything, and the chance to miss a certain throw is unlikely greater, and also you have to get .. no, wait, I'll start this sentence anew .. also heights, spacing, thrust thrown, impact of landing props, and surely more aspects and properties of a pattern, are all slightly or notably different, thus all in all more difficult to master.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Definitely normal.
I can run 5 balls for 10 minutes, but the only siteswaps I have ever managed to run for 30+ rounds are 744 and some synch patterns I think.

James Hennigan - - Parent

What siteswaps are you working on? Also, have you learned any with 4 balls?

kimoi - - Parent

I'm practicing 97531, 753, 744, 9444, 645 and 6x4 mostly and I go through all of these in my practice sessions and I can run 10+ 4 ball siteswaps without much trouble. Do you think the problem could be that I switch between a lot of different siteswaps instead of grinding out one siteswap forever until it's solid?

Tufty - - Parent

No, I think it's just that a lot of siteswap patterns are intrinsically bloody hard to do, and the slightest variation in trajectory can blow things up a way down the line. Juggling 5 in a standard cascade, if you get one throw a bit "off", maybe throw a 5-and-a-half or off to one side, you can mostly recover. Throw a seven-and-a-half in 753, the problem shows up further down the line and in a place where it's difficult to recover.

Doing several siteswaps in one session worked for me, "grinding" patterns isn't my thing. Maybe that's why I'm rubbish.

Julien_H - - Parent

It seems pretty normal to me, running a 5 balls and running 5 balls siteswaps is pretty different. When you do a 5 balls cascade, you always throw at the same height, same movement etc ... So you can just "lock" your arms into doing the same thing. It does not need to be "perfect". So when the dreaded time to throw a 7 or else comes, you need to relearn a brand new way of juggling 5 balls.

There's really a gap between juggling 5 balls and doing 5 balls siteswaps. Some are harder than the others.

What really helped me was to learn more complicated and advanced 4 balls siteswaps. It's easier compared to the 5 balls ones, and it can train you to do some high and funky throw combinations! It's also good for the mind because you can learn those patterns in a few days / weeks compared to weeks / months for the 5 balls one.

Orinoco - - Parent

As everyone else has said, definitely normal.

I'm curious though is there something specific that makes you think that wouldn't be the case? Too much Youtube perhaps?

Mïark -

The European Juggling Association is looking for a new President and a new Treasurer, starting at the end of August.
Applicants interested in the two separate voluntary roles of President of the EJA, and Treasurer of the EJA can find more information about what the roles entail at the following links:
Treasurer: www.eja.net/treasurer-vacancy-2020/
President: www.eja.net/president-vacancy-2020

The ideal candidates will have a good understanding of the European Juggling Convention, ideally having worked on a few of them and understand their differences, similarities, and how they are organised.
If you have any questions, send an email to the EJA Executive Committee: directors (at) eja.net.

To apply, send an email outlining why you'd be a good fit for the EJA organisation. A CV outlining your past experience would be very helpful.
If you meet the essential criteria, you will be invited to meet the Board and team online on the afternoon of Sunday the 30th August, for a conversation where the EJA Board will vote on who will fill this role. You will know the results of the decision right away.
Deadline for questions: 20th August 2020
Deadline for applications: 25th August 2020
Board meeting with interviews: 30th August 2020.

Mïark - - Parent

Should have mentioned the EJA exists to ensure that the European Juggling Convention happens every year (except when there is a Covid pandemic) and to promote juggling in Europe.
The word Juggling is used to mean all amateur circus skills, not just what the americans call "Toss Juggling".

nrjuggler -

Introducing: JuggleGym

I have created a new juggling simulator. Inspired by JugglingLab, but written from the grounds up to run within your browser, with mobile support of course. You can also add it to the home screen of your phone. You can find it here:

https://jug.gl/gym/

Warning! Beta -- it can still be a little bit rough around the edges. Feedback is welcome!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Nice nice! I like how you've made it look!

Some things I noticed
The text in the input field is not selectable, I was confused when I couldn't do that. - correction: On chrome I can select, on Firefox(win10) I can't...?

In some cases when entering an invalid siteswap I get red text, in some cases I don't

What is beat shift? I noticed it only works on synch patterns, but couldn't figure out what happens if I change the value

All in all, works well, will definitely try on mobile too!

nrjuggler - - Parent

Dankjewel! :-) The input field selection issue has now been fixed. There is a random siteswap generator available now as well. The siteswap validation (red text) still needs work though.

As for the beat shift, I think you meant to say that it only works for async patterns right? That is correct. Suppose the time between two throws of the same hand is one second. Then, typically, the left hand throws at T=0s, the right at T=0.5s, and the left at T=1s. So, each beat is spread half a second apart. But, you can shift the beat to throw more closely together or further apart. To see how that works, simply use "3" as a siteswap and drag the slider.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Hoi Raymond :-) No, I meant synch patterns. For some reason the slider seemed disabled on most patterns, except for synch patterns. Right now it does seem enabled for both, but only show effect on the asynch one, and the effect is rather obvious now. Thanks :)


The generator is a nice addition, but to me a long list of siteswaps is not very interesting. It becomes much more useful once I can filter, for example excluding 2's or finding only 3 beat patterns. Also you could add excited state patterns :)

david - - Parent

Very nice. I especially like the ability to rotate my point of view. And, of course, passing.

With Safari on an iPad I couldn’t access the text entry box. I was a little confused with the passing patterns until I realized there were two labelled one- count. After a little while I saw that the text description changed appropriately between them. They were both one-count, I guess the real problem is we don’t have widely accepted names to distinguish them. Perhaps a * or #, etc for the less well known varieties.

I also got lost poking random spots and had to reload the page. No biggie. Thanks for sharing it early, I can use it as is to explain patterns to people.

rainbowalice -

Cirque du Soleil Best of Juggling

For those who haven't seen it yet (it came out Friday): https://youtu.be/MTpd7Xd1DA0

For some reason there is a shortened version of Anthony Gatto's act, while Viktor Kee is way, way too long (ahem, I've just never liked Viktor Kee's act... Question of taste I suppose, as a lot of people seem to like it!)

In terms of show I love Gabriel Beaudoin in Kurios, because it's not a separate juggling act but fits into a larger piece.

A lot of other cool acts in there!

Kelhoon - - Parent

I enjoyed that.

2 acts stood out to me, 1st the light-up balls in the cone and 2nd the bounce juggling on ice.

The 1st because I think it's one of the better uses of light-up balls that I've seen, the 2nd because I kept thinking wet silicon would be so tricky to juggle.

Orinoco -

Joseph's Machines is a fantastic source of Rube Goldberg machines.

You're welcome.

https://youtu.be/XwaH-qT4Rm0

bad1dobby - - Parent

Lordy, those are amazing! Many of the elements seem quite high-risk to me.

On a related note, somewhere between Rube Goldberg and rolling ball sculpture, here is one of my favourites:
https://youtu.be/QQ9gs-5lRKc

bad1dobby -

Contact sword...! [vid]

Apart from the fact that he’s using a sword, he also has a bunch of moves I’ve not seen before.
https://youtu.be/y2QyjrFBujg
And it’s beautiful...

Orinoco - - Parent

That is a beautiful act. & I think it is the prop that makes it, if it was a regular contact staff I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much.

He misses a trick at 1:22 though. He should have a loose piece of fabric in his skirt attached by a breakable thread or some other clip so that when the sword goes through it it looks like it cuts through!

bad1dobby - - Parent

I totally agree about the impact of the sword. A non-juggler might think it’s the ‘danger’ element that enhances, but I think it’s more the asymmetry. Also the ‘rightness’ - when it rolls up his arm to land perfectly in his hand, it just makes me cheer.
The skirt is the one element I would like to see changed - something more along the lines of a kendo skirt or a Sufi twirling skirt would better suit the martial arts feel while still highlighting the spins. The chiffon is just too ... chiffon.

Emil Dahl -

How many people have done at least 7 catches of 7 club backcrosses?

With video
Anthony Gatto
Wes Peden
Jack Denger
Luca Pferdmenges

Without video
Masahiro Takahashi

Emil Dahl - - Parent

With video
Anthony Gatto
Vova Galchenko
Wes Peden
Jack Denger
Luca Pferdmenges
David Ferman
Kento Tanioka
Anderson da Silva
Spencer Androli
Luca Pferdmenges

Without video
Masahiro Takahashi
Manuel Mitasch

Which is a total of 12 people. Does someone have anymore to add to the list?

John R - - Parent

11 people - you’ve listed Luca twice. Don’t know of any others, sorry.

Emil Dahl - - Parent

Thank you for the correction!

Orinoco - - Parent

I'm guessing this list came from Juggle wiki. I'm inclined to believe it is pretty complete. I had a search for some likely candidates generally outside of the internet based community (Mario Berousek, Viktor Pilipovitch, Toby Walker etc.) but couldn't find any evidence.

For this sort of skill level I would guess that everyone who could currently do it would all know of each other. For jugglers of the past paging David Cain...

Jack Denger - - Parent

I don't think there is anyone else beyond these.

James Hennigan - - Parent

Is Anthony Gatto still the only person who has gone back to the cascade after flashing 7 club backcrosses? There are a couple of videos where Vova does 3 backcrosses and goes back to the cascade, but I'm not aware of anyone other than Gatto who has done it after 7 backcrosses.

Jack Denger - - Parent

Yes, as far as I know he is the only person to go back into the cascade.

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

The latest article on eJuggle has information with videos and some interviews about 7 club backcrosses.
https://www.juggle.org/ejuggle

Ilia Poliakov -

Hi, everyone
I want to find information about typical speed of juggling and height of throws.
I find this article about balls: http://www.juggling.org/papers/OJ/

Do you know, which is normal dwell time for clubs and rings?
Or maybe you have got information about height of club and ring juggling?

Thanks!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I don't have data for you, but if you want some video to analyse, here are a bunch of people I filmed from the same distance on the same camera, doing 12 tosses with 3 clubs:

https://youtu.be/4vQR_E4_8Fs

Ilia Poliakov - - Parent

More interesting 5-10 rings and 4-8 clubs.
With 3 objects it's very big variability.

Thom! -

New Juggling Book!

Hey friends!

Been a while!

I've been working on a book about juggling technique for a few years now. It's coming out in August. I'm pretty excited about that.

Here's some information: www.jugglingbook.com

Here's an overproduced trailer: https://youtu.be/XE4mFaj3wCU

I hope you dig it! Just thought I'd share the news :)

Thom

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I sure dig the trailer!

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