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Sophie R Warner -

Hello I'm Sophy from Cleveland Ohio just went to my first IJA. My next juggling festival I plan to be fluggleburg. Excited to join the community here!

The Void - - Parent

Welcome aboard!

CameronFord -

EXCITING NEWS‼️
Phase 1 tickets for the British Juggling Convention 2027 go on sale THIS FRIDAY! (31st July 2026) at 12pm!
Adult - £125 | Teen - £72 | Youth - £50 |
Child - FREE
(The prices are the same as 2026)
Phase 1 will last until 31st September ‼️ BUT…
🙏Please buy your ticket as soon as possible & as soon as you know you’d like to come as it helps the event so much!
Stay tuned for the link! 🤹
Please comment, like and share to support us 🎪
KEY INFO:
🗓️26th March - 1st April 2027
📍Michael Hall School, Forest Row, East Sussex, RH18 5JA
See you there 🤹‍♀️

#BJC2027

CameronFord - - Parent

Tickets now on sale: https://www.bjc2027.co.uk/tickets
Please do buy tickets as soon as you know you're coming! It helps the event, saves you money and lets you pick whether you want to go to the early or late gala show :)

momo - - Parent

Booked my ticket. Excited to visit my second Bwitish Juggling Convention qfter having attended Canterbury 2018.

CameronFord - - Parent

Thanks for buying your ticket early, it really helps the event! Good seeing you in Ptuj, looking forward to seeing you in Forest Row :)

Charlie Holland -

Any juggling edge booking system experts here right now? Struggling with Thrown Together which worked for me to buy tickets but isn’t for anyone else!
Oh, and tickets are on sale now for the shows - I mistyped Thursday rather than Wednesday in my post yesterday.

Charlie Holland - - Parent

All working now. Thanks Orinoco.

Charlie Holland -

The website https://throwntogether.org for Thrown Together (London's Juggling & Flow Arts Festival, 23 - 25 October) has been updated. Tickets are on sale as of this Thursday.

RustyJuggling -

Dual-Gravity / Multi-dimensional juggling

So I've been exploring the idea that a juggling pattern's state is basically a piece of the pattern that doesn't move through time, meaning it lacks one dimension that the full pattern has; The state drops from four (3 space 1 time) to three (no time dimension). This made me wonder if the concept could be extended any further. There are two ways that I can think of to represent a 5-dimensional juggling pattern, and I thought I would explain my thought process for both.

First of all, how can such a thing be conceptualized? I decided it would be best to look at how adding a dimension alters a state, to see how it might alter a full juggling pattern. Before adding time, a state is a static form. Afterwards, gravity appears and the height of the objects decays over time. So one way we might conceptualize adding a dimension to juggling is by adding another source of gravity.
If you add a source of gravity that pulls objects towards yourself, your throws now have to account not only for the height of a throw, but also its depth. A basic cascade, tilted away from the juggler, might be written as {33}. And because you now have an extra layer to play with, you can actually juggle two patterns completely simultaneously; one pattern is thrown when objects are at height 0, and the other is thrown when they are at depth 0. So {35}{33}{31} viewed from the front would look like a cascade, but viewed from above would look more like 531. Obviously, executing this kind of pattern would require very precise hands.

But if that's not a good enough representation, you might do a little bit better by using hyperspheres instead of normal spheres. In the same way that a sphere passed through a 2-dimensional plane would appear as a circle that grows and shrinks, a 4-dimensional sphere passed through our 3-dimensional plane would likely look like a sphere that grows and shrinks. Therefore, you could imagine a system where your objects change size as they are thrown. The effects of this are much the same as adding another source of gravity, but the pattern remains confined to the wall-plane we like to work with. One pattern thrown at height 0, the other at an arbitrary size 0.
As a trade-off, though, this form of juggling is much harder to simulate in our world. I would love to see a program that can animate these kinds of patterns, but of course I don't have the skills to create one.

Beyond that, I feel like there should be other ways of thinking about higher-dimensional forms of juggling that make more sense progressively. For example, when state is extended it begins to changes over time, but with the systems I've constructed the base pattern can remain exactly the same, just with another aspect added on top. Is that the natural result of adding a dimension or is there a better way to think of it? I'd love to hear ideas.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Juggling is a highly complex ado in my understanding - when i say 'pattern', i actually think of one distinct of its many variations and geometries and distortions, but most of all including the juggler, his hands, handcircles, handholding, handmovement, but also posture, countermovements, bodymovement; kind of synonymous to 'ado' or 'act' of juggling this pattern and all that's required to make it happen, physics, geometry, body, anatomy, movement & dynamics.
i see endless dimensions and nonlinear dynamics, and open at the top if also considering combining juggling with innumerable other things or activities ( joggling. while swimming, skating, a s.o. with, while this & that ) ... endless.

7b_wizard - - Parent

i don't know, though, how this bird's eye view relates to picking out distinct dimensions and exploring the possibilities this offers...

RustyJuggling - - Parent

I think we're using the word 'dimension' differently, I meant to say it in a spatial/theoretical way more than about aspects of a practical juggling pattern.

The Void -

Five club cascade tips.

I thought I'd start a thread, because I was asked in another one. Feel free to add your own tips. There may well be other older threads, and there's probably good stuff in the Internet Archive's backup of the IJDb compendium, but here we go...

Before each run, make sure your feet are parallel, and your shoulders and hips are all in the same parallel. (No twists in your body.) Stand up straight. If your shoulders are raised or tense, lower them.
Breathe out as you release your first throw. Breathe in again after 10 catches. Start again at catch 20, repeat.

Have at least 3 practise sessions a week. Preferably more. Stop if you're getting tired. Finish each session with a clean run. (Even if you have to drop back to just a flash.)
(I often used to start a practise session with a single short run of 522 with 3 clubs, with the twos in motion as though I was throwing them. (Fakes.) It looks silly, but it gets you used to throwing doubles in the right place, with the right arm motion timing .)
Make sure your first five throws are in an even rhythm.

For each catch, make sure your first movement of your hand is DOWNwards. This will help to increase dwell time - the time spent holding the club between each throw. This means you are more in control of the next throw, as you are in control of the path of the club for longer.
Remember to breathe.

Try to keep your elbows tucked in to your sides.
Observe where your throws are going (...wrong?). Is your left hand throwing too far forwards? Wide? Low? (Try to) correct that in your next run.

Are the clubs going up in the right path? (For me, my pattern was best when the clubs went up directly in front of the opposite eye. YMMV.) Are both sides the same?
Think about your hands' position/angle when throwing. (e.g. I tried to have my palms facing upwards on each release.) Are they both the same? They should be.

There are lots of minor points to remember, and it's *really* hard to remember all of them all of the time. The more you practise, the more some of them will start to become muscle-memories. If you feel like you've had a few bad runs, or a bad session, stop and breathe, and run through all the things on your check-list. Has one of them dropped out of your mind? Pick it up.

Good luck, and remember to breathe.

#5Clubs #5ClubCascade #tips

david - - Parent

Excellent tips. They can also help with five balls and higher odd numbers. The postural tips in the second paragraph could be done several times every day, for instance when brushing teeth or just standing and waiting.

The Void -

Long essay on Cinquevalli that I’d not seen before. Perhaps most interesting is that it claims there is no contemporary evidence for the much-repeated story that he was vilified for having Germanic roots when WWI began.
Happy death day, Paul.

https://insidestory.org.au/in-search-of-cinquevalli/

Daniel Simu -

Simulating Rhythmic Catches notation system

Hi guys, long time no speak (here at the edge).

Frustrated with the limitations of siteswaps, I wrote a new notation system 4 years ago that generates ladder diagrams, which I call Rhythmic Catches (RC). I theorized it could be useful for simulating more complex patterns, but I did not have the ability or free time to write such a simulator, so it remained just a theory.

But this week, I tried to vibecode it, with much more success than anticipated! It's still in early stages, but the tool below allows you to:

  • Parse RC notation
  • View the pattern as a editable table
  • View the pattern as a ladder diagram
  • Play the pattern in a simulator
  • Simulate throws, hits and holds from hands, feet, knees, heads, elbows, and many more body parts
  • Convert siteswap to RC
  • Try out loads of example patterns, some with reference videos
  • Learn about how RC works through an extensive explainer and a helpful cheatsheet
  • And much more!

It's still a work in progress, the siteswap converter is not yet complete, the animator makes some mistakes, and I'd love to add my other notation system for body throws (IMBO) to this tool too, but that's gonna take a bit more work.

Play with it here in your browser: https://hapiel.github.io/rhythmic-catches/

I'd love for your input and feedback.

For more background about this notation system and why there is a need for yet another one, my thesis lines it all out in detail https://danielsimu.nl/research/ , or for an overview, my 30m presentation on the topic flies through it: https://youtu.be/-J63WKB7Cog

See you at EJC?

Daniel

Avan Whaite -

Hey Jugglers,

Just saying hi as I'm a new addition to the site and added the club I run on Sundays in Melbourne Australia. I'm a bit of a techy ball nerd (box variations, body throws, neck throws, rebounds, etc), that has in the last couple of years started a concerted effort to get better at clubs... trying to get that 50 catches of 5... soon, soon.

Hope you're all kicken' goals!

Avan

The Void - - Parent

Hi Avan, welcome to The Edge.
My 5 club top tip is: remember to breathe!
Cheers,
Void

Joseph the juggler - - Parent

Dang, I have not been doing that. I just started yesterday focusing on breathing while juggling and i have improved.

The Void - - Parent

Cool! Yes, it’s amazing how tense you can make yourself without realising you’re not doing something so basic.

10* catches, breathe out
10* more, breathe in,
etc

* -ish

Joseph the juggler - - Parent

Do you have any more tips?

The Void - - Parent

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