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mike.armstrong -

We're doing a thing! In Newcastle-upon-Tyne!

Please come and join us at Newcastle Circus Fest, 10th to 12th March 2023

#NCF

CameronFord - - Parent

Sounds interesting - are there any more details at this stage? Is there a website?

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Yes there is now - https://newcastlecircusfest.wordpress.com/
Hopefully see lots of you there

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Pre-reg is now open - link and more detials at https://newcastlecircusfest.wordpress.com/

Also we now have some (very limited numbers) aerial workshops - book them now before the FB announcement later!!

Tom Derrick -

Unfortunate news.

Hi all. Many of you here will have met my fiancé, Simon.

In the early hours of Tuesday morning, he had a seizure. Paramedics were present within a few minutes, but the seizure lead to a cardiac arrest that caused an unsurvivable brain injury. He passed away today, surrounded by family.

We don't have any answers as to why he became so ill so quickly.

He is loved greatly and will be very sorely missed.

The Void - - Parent

Hi Tom,
Well, that's bloody awful. I'm really sorry to hear the news.
Take care.

Orinoco - - Parent

I'm so sorry to hear that Tom, that's awful news. Sending you much love & hugs.

John R - - Parent

I’m so sorry. Words seem inadequate and flat; I’m so sorry for all that you’ve lost with Simon’s death. I hope you have plenty of people who will hug you, grieve with you and cry with you.

Kelhoon - - Parent

That's very sad to hear Tom, my condolences

barnesy - - Parent

Wow. I’m extremely sorry to hear that. Wishing you strength. You’re in our thoughts.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Fuck. I'm really sorry to hear that Tom. I didn't know Simon well, but I enjoyed his company enormously the few times that we hung out.
Hugs to you and yours

jugglesensei - - Parent

Dear Tom,

I'm sitting here getting over my second hip replacement and I was going over all my log in's and passwords for all my sites. I finally logged back into Juggling Edge after probably years away, given that I hadn't been posting about Game of Throws or WJD. I just found your message and just wanted to send you love from Lisa and I here in Cali. I know it's been some time since you posted, but I still wanted you to know that you're in my thoughts, my brother.

respectfully,

matt

Bendy Dan -

Can anyone ID this devil stick / knows where I can get an equivalent?

A while ago I found a devil stick that had been lurking in a bag of un-played-with props for a long time and have been having fun learning something new. I figured I'd try two devil sticks, so ordered a couple of Mr.Babache ones so I've have a matching pair. They showed up, and I was immediately surprised at just how much heavier they were than the one I currently have.

I weighed them, and the one I had before weighs 150 grams, the Mr.Babache ones weigh 250 grams. So that would explain things -- it's just that I'm _used_ to the lighter one. (I'm not sure if less weight is good or bad, but it's what I'm used to and it feels a lot easier/faster to knock around). Looking at other places that make devil sticks, they all seem to be in the same range; Henrys ones are "circa 225 grams", Renegade's are 220-235 grams, play's are 250, dube are perhaps even heavier. There's a 'juggle dream supreme glitter' I saw mentioned that comes in a 'light' version but nobody has them in stock. (there's lots of flower sticks that are probably lighter but those are going to be even slower)

So, long shot -- does anyone recognise what I have? I would have got it at a BJC in the '90s, most likely, so it's a pretty big stretch to see if anyone can identify it but I figure if anywhere would have someone that can, it's here.

It looks like this: (the mr. babache one is on the left, for contrast): https://imgur.com/8AnRfZH

Not sure if the decorations are distinctive enough to be identifiable; the ends look like this: https://imgur.com/UGGSD1L if it helps at all.

Alternatively, should I just toughen up and get used to the heavier ones? What's the advantage there? (I assume there's a reason all the existing ones are about the same weight, after all)

The Void - - Parent

That looks an awful lot like the ones we sold in Oddballs in the 90s. (I might even have sold it to you. :-) ) The end caps look quite thin to me now, but perhaps they were thickened at a later date? Maybe that's a small factor in the weight difference. Also, wood is a naturally varying material, so perhaps you just got the lightest one in the pack. I can't remember what brand/model name we used for them at the time (prism? holo?), but I can tell you they were made by https://www.jacjuggling.co.uk/index.asp , so maybe they can help you.
Cheers, Void.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

It looks very similar to one that I have in my bag of un-played-with props...maybe made by Beard or Absolute?
I'll try to dig it out later and weigh it

Orinoco - - Parent

The one on the right looks identical to one I had. I think I bought it from the Butterfingers stand at the BJC in Nottingham 1997. I was definitely told it was an Absolute devilstick.

Bendy Dan - - Parent

It sounds like I'm not going to be able to find the same one again -- Jac are still around, but their standard devilsticks are very different, and their flower sticks have the same style of decoration but are flower sticks. (I already have innertubes and hockey tape and doweling, so made my own flower sticks)

I am genuinely impressed at the depth of arcane historical knowledge here, though -- thanks, everyone!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

I've dug mine out of the loft, and it looks remarkably similar. You're very welcome to have it if you like, but mine weighs between 190 and 195 grams (on my old-skool kitchen balance I can't be more precise that that!) - so I presume it's no use??

Bendy Dan - - Parent

Thanks! But yeah, that's probably far enough off what I have to be distractingly different.

mike.armstrong -

It should have been Circus Stad (Rotterdam Circus Festival) this week, but they've moved a few things online given one thing and another.
But circusstad.nl/programma/circuspeurtocht/ is fun

mike.armstrong -

I'm going to bin my BJC and EJC pass collection - I still haven't found a nice way to display it, so it's just clutter for me!
Before they go, is anyone missing any from their collection that they'd like? I've got most BJCs going back to 1996 (with some or all of the volunteer badges) and a mixed bag of EJC ones

John R - - Parent

There’s no photo of the 2018 Canterbury pass on the wiki yet, so maybe take a snapshot of that one first? A few other pass images are also missing, but all the others I spotted seem to be festival wristbands, not crafted objects.

http://thebritishjugglingconvention.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=BJC_31,_Canterbury,_2018

Chris Freemantle -

I'm mid 60's. Used to do a little bit of juggling / balancing a broom on my foot / spinning a plate or tray (people didn't like it when I did it with their best plate ;-). With lockdown have sort of started with 3 balls again - muscle memory is not bad, but reactions have taken a little knocking. I suppose I'm aiming for 5 balls, but may revise! Also learning to unicycle. What I really wanted to ask on the forum is : fountains are normally done with the same number of balls in each hand. While I understand it would likely be VERY difficult, is there any intrinsic reason you can't do fountains with, say 3 balls in one hand and 2 in the other, or 2 balls in one hand and 4 in the other? I've tried the trivial case of one ball in one hand (OK, not really juggling) and two in the other - seems possible with a bit of practice.

The Void - - Parent

Hi Chris,
Yes, you can do split-number fountains. I've done 3-2. The issue is that it means you're doing different rhythms with each hand, which does tend to mess with your head!
Try it anyway, it's a fun challenge,
Cheers,
Void

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hi Chris, welcome!

Here are a couple examples that I did a few weeks ago of what you're describing.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B89UxqdgB3w/

Kelhoon - - Parent

You could do a 3-2 fountain as Void described and also (if you understand site-swap) as 666660 i.e. 3 in one hand, 3 with a hole (leaving 2) in the other, couldn't say which was the easiest. Click the highlighted numbers to get an idea of what it looks like.

Tufty - - Parent

There's different ways of doing these, as pointed out previously, and it's all a bit patting your head and rubbing your stomach.

Probably the easiest is with a "hole", much like practising 5 balls with 4, or, indeed, doing a 3 ball columns pattern but in a fountain. I found this easier to do "in sync", but it's harder to get into from a cascade.

Next easiest for me was with differing heights. For 5 balls this would be 6s in one hand and 4s in the other, the feel is a bit like 534 with 4 balls. Pretty easy to get into from a cascade, you could probably swap sides too but that would mean being able to do the 6s with the non-dominant hand, something I never managed. It could probably evolve into something like 645 (I think that works)

Then there's the in-and-out-of-sync way, which I never managed to get my head around for more than a few throws. Its throwing "half a hole" with one hand, and it's a horrible headfuck.

I've never tried any of these with anything more than 5 balls, cause I'm crap at numbers.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> is there any intrinsic reason you can't do fountains with, say 3 balls in one hand and 2 in the other, or 2 balls in one hand and 4 in the other?

It's sometimes referred to as polyrhythmic juggling and was explored in some detail a few years ago by Joost Dessing amongst others. If you are lucky there might be some old videos lurking on the web.

Whatever happened to Joost?

Ewano - - Parent

He dropped out of the juggling festival scene and became a lecturer, but to be honest I don't think he ever recovered from Pimms night.

Did any of us really?

Oh and yes, I'm still alive - but I'm not reading the 4786 forum posts since my last login..

Little Paul - - Parent

Someone on the radio was encouraging people to try putting herbs in their GnT - including chives

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Wasn't that Peter?

mike.armstrong - - Parent

I mean Pieter. Bloody autocorrect

Little Paul - - Parent

I think they were shopping together weren’t they?

mike.armstrong -

I think some of you (especially Orin) will enjoy this https://youtu.be/dkCBylgBM44

Orinoco - - Parent

I did enjoy that thank you!

For anyone looking for a name this is Tori Boggs, a multi (multi multi multi) time world champion who has worked with Cirque Du Soleil.

Cedric Lackpot -

4000 Years Of Juggling - still at a bonkers price!

Nearly six hundred quid! Oof.

https://www.abebooks.co.uk/000-Years-Juggling-Two-Volume-Set/30613647637/bd?cm_ven=nl&cm_cat=trg&cm_pla=want_UK&cm_ite=viewbook

mike.armstrong - - Parent

It will be bonkers - if it sells...

Johnathan Mundell - - Parent

That's over $1000!

Mïark - - Parent

I wonder if you are thinking of pre-Brexit UK pound values, it is on 700 US dollars at current exchange rates.

Johnathan Mundell - - Parent

I am Canadian.

Tom Derrick -

I had a thumb through the Guinness Book of Records 1997 while packing up a bookcase, which has a page devoted to juggling. I can do more research than was possible in an internetless house in rural England in the late 90s.

I looked up Francois Chotard, who held (holds?) the record for most balls spun on one hand. It's quite a contraption he had, one which I thought others here might enjoy.
http://dev.juggle.org/history/archives/jugmags/images/42-3/42-3,p17-1.jpg

The Void - - Parent

This simultaneously reminds me of an Indian(?) guy who had the record for the world's longest fingernails, and Sean Blue.

mike.armstrong - - Parent

I'd forgotten all about him - he used to be a regular at EJCs around the millennium. His rug was about as natural as his prop! I wonder what happened to him?

DavidCain - - Parent

He passed away a few years ago.

Dropped Again -

Hello all. I can do juggle two balls, but have never managed to do three for more than a catch or two, hence the user name. But I do like watching other people do it..

Living in Newark meant I saw a couple of bits of the EJC 2019. Sadly, I was coming back from an event I help organise on the Sunday, so I missed the parade.

The Sunday evening fire show was ok - the issues with the sound did not help. Some of the acts didn't make me gasp either. A poi.. on fire! A staff.. with a firework on the end!! Or both ends!!! But it was often visually great.

Before it started, I could see someone practice with their equipment not on fire (the pair of staffs on fire on both ends?) behind the stage and they had rather a lot of drops, but performed it fine on stage.

I had the opportunity to see something midweek, but again other things got in the way. Grrr.

I did get to see the Gala as a guest and have been looking for something that had the line up - I can find some names, but not all of them: is that published anywhere?

I liked the afternoon show so much I went home, got a different lens for the camera (I'd brought one for being 'big top' away from the action to the afternoon), and came back to see the evening one.

Compere, ??: fine.

First act, Matthew Tiffany: I'll be surprised if he's not normally a street performer. It was fine, but I would also be surprised if a chunk of the audience couldn't do everything he did.

Second act, Florence Huet: balancing the rings as she moved around is presumably rather harder than she made it look? Very elegant.

Third act, ??: I really liked the science + juggling material, but I suspect you needed to be closer to the stage - and interested in the science side - to fully appreciate it. My partner didn't, but by the end I was reminded about how a fuel cell works. By jugglers!

Fourth act, ??: the main bit was the big ring, with some balancing and dancing thrown in. I thought was ok, my partner liked them much more.

Fifth act. Masayuki Furuya: some of the best plate work I've ever seen, with some lovely stage presence. He got easily the best reaction from the audience, which I happily joined in with, but interestingly my partner wasn't that impressed.

Sixth act, Sylvia Rosat and Bobby Scala: crack, crack, crack goes the whip, but there's a reason she's dressed like that - it's not otherwise a visual act. Especially with the lighting in the evening.

Seventh act, ??: the bar routine was fine, but none of it made me gasp. I did like the 'the bottle and glass stay stationary, but the hands holding them change, by the end rapidly' bit.

Eighth act, Thom Wall: the lens change meant I could see how impressive some of his balancing was. Interestingly, he failed to pull off one bit in the afternoon - the move of the ball from something balanced on his chin to one balanced on his forehead - and didn't retry it, whereas everyone else did a (single) repeat of their drops. I do have a shot of the final routine when it went wrong (both balloons bursting) in the evening - not mentioned in the "The trick worked both times" bit of his blog! - and he did repeat that.

There was an interesting difference in the atmosphere between the two shows. The lighting didn't make much difference in the afternoon (natural light swamped it) and should been better in the particular places in the evening. I was also near to someone who spent much of their time being rude about the quality of the acts in the evening, although they did shut up during the plates and the final act...

So it was great, and I wish I could have seen more of it.

I am aware that not everyone thought so - in the evening, I was standing next to someone who was making derogatory comments about nearly all of the acts. They did shut up during Masayuki Furuya and Thom Wall's acts though!

Mike Moore - - Parent

I wrote them down with delusions of being like Jon Peat:
Florence Huet (Hoops)
Ben and Fred (Science-related act)
Swing Circus (dancey, cyr wheel, hand balancing)
Masa (spinning plates)
Synthia (rapid whips)
Shake down (flair bartending, mixed with hand balancing)
Thom Wall (balancing, and did a two health bars finish with the balloon pop.)
MC: Dan Holzman

Thom! - - Parent

Hey there!

You're right! I totally biffed the balance transfer trick in the first show. When the winds picked up and they decided to move the gala show to the main hall, the ball I normally use for that trick was lost in the shuffle somehow... I had to borrow one of Tiff's balls last minute! His ball was a little smaller in diameter than the one I normally use... I trained the trick a few times before the show (all super last minute) and it seemed to work well -- but when I got on stage... muscle memory took over. As you can imagine, it's a super delicate trick to pull off, and a slight change in diameter of the ball can throw everything off. Between shows, I spent about an hour breaking down the technique and re-learning it with a smaller ball. Didn't want to waste everyone's time with me missing it a second time (or third. or fourth) in the first show. Such is life and live performance!

And, yeah... totally screwed up the double balloon in the second show on that first attempt. That's a really young trick for me (EJC was literally the first time I've put it on stage!) -- that was an error in preparation on my part... dragged the balloon along the edge of the knife when setting it up! Ah well. Still a beautiful trick, and I'm really pleased that I was able to execute the trick on the second attempt!

Glad to know Masa and I were spared by the hecklers during the show! Phew!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Matthew Tiffany: I'll be surprised if he's not normally a street performer. It was fine, but I would also be surprised if a chunk of the audience couldn't do everything he did.

You should be doubly surprised then!! He's one of very few people in the world who can do most of those tricks

Welcome aboard - hopefully we'll see you around more now that you've had a taste of juggling fests

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