Do you know or can you think of a trick, a move, that is h a r d e r with l e s s props? [ #trick ]
Yes, a three ball fountain vs. a four ball fountain! But, to be serious, some might consider shoulder throws with 3 balls or (especially) clubs more difficult than shoulder throws with 4.
David Cain
I suspect this is more because people simply don't bother practising them, but *proper* 4-club backcrosses (in a fountain pattern), might have a smaller difficulty gap between the 4- and 5-club version than other tricks — because the rotation of the clubs is the "wrong" way round — it rotates out of your grasp rather than into it. I would probably rate it as more difficult... but perhaps if you upped the numbers further...
Because the club leaves your hand on the opposite side of your body to the hand the club is thrown with. Throws in a backcross fountain cross your body twice (once whilst you're holding it, once in the air).
I disagree on your definition. IMO the "crosses" in "backcrosses" refers to the club crossing from one hand to the other. Which it does not do in the pattern you describe.
Not to say it's not an impressive trick/pattern.
Is this what you are calling "backsames", David?
Little Paul - - Parent #
I always understood that "backcrosses" were "left hand throw appears over right shoulder" and "backsames" were "left hand throw appears over left shoulder" with the implication that the catching hand is the one associated with the shoulder
I'm not sure what you'd call "left hand throw appears over right shoulder, is then caught by left hand" apart from "fugly"
Yes, Sounds like backsames. It's a four club fountain backcross-like throws that come back to the throwing hand. Backcrosses require the clubs to be caught by the opposite hand that threw the club / prop.
David
Mike Moore - - Parent #
I find 3b levels harder than 4b levels. I often find myself struggling to remember how to do 3b levels, whereas the 4b version feels so natural to me. (levels: https://libraryofjuggling.com/Tricks/3balltricks/Levels.html)
Perhaps a "most catches of a period one siteswap in a minute" would be easier with 4 than 3. I realize that the records don't reflect that now, but I imagine 4b columns more rapidly approaches infinite catches per minute than 3b cascade/reverse cascade. Maybe a vertically-spaced Boston mess with 3b could go faster, though...
I just found sth with triplexes:
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6b [32T1] or [345][22]2 8b-[567][22]2
The 8 ball version is easier (for me), because the stacked 5 + 7 are collected together before throwing the next triplex, while, with 6b, you throw next right after the lower ball of that stack is caught. So the 3 + 5 must be well apart (needn't with 8b).
James Hennigan - - Parent #
I haven't tried 7 ball duplexes but I'd imagine they're harder than 8 ball duplexes. However, I'm not sure if I'd say that [43] is 'the 7 ball version' of [44].
I'd say 5b-[32T] is the 5 ball version for (horizontal duplex) "splits", and 7b-[43] their 7b version.
The lower version for 8b-[44], would be 6b-[33] (uncut stacked duplex).
So, same, evens or unevens, and same throw types, compare, rather than else it's another trick.
Cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplex_%28juggling%29#Throw_types (Stack, Split, Cut, and Slice)