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Are there good coaches (teachers) in Juggling? I am beginner is Juggling with 7 mo experience and the advice I most freguently got from obviously advanced guys sounds like "Keep practicing" )) I am pretty good coach in Karate (4 degree black belt) and Chess (International Master in Blitz) and to my non-humble opinion advice like "keep doing" is total disaster. Even pretty good tutorials lack extremely important thing, that is transition from preliminary exercises to full patters. Niel's video on 3 b Box is typical example of BAD tutorial because it is very superficial. From the other side Niel's video on "W" pattern is very GOOD )) So I repeat my question : are there GOOD teachers in Jugging World ?
Box is quite difficult trick when you just start with it, so it isn´t easy to describe it and teach it, especially on the video. It is much easier to teach somebody something in real life because you can see mistakes and errors and give advices. When I have workshops, I am able to teach people to juggle at least 3 balls if they really want and try, but it is just because I see how did they try to juggle. If they just write me why I can´t learn it, I have no idea what is their problem. Maybe it would be much better for you to make a video of your box attempts so we could give you better advice)
It is also a question who is a good teacher - because it is not only in the teacher but also a client or student has to try and have a motivation to do it)
what I mean GOOD coaching is helping the client to go through several easy understandable steps as I can explain "Ura-mawashi-geri" that is pretty complicated karate kick. And I am 100% sure I can teach everyone not depending age, sex, or religious affiliation )) I have got the advice here to try 441 and the first preliminary 2b exercise was very useful to improve my juggling "feeling" as a whole. I guess I have my own way in this art ))
I do karate too, so I know^^ Wish you a good luck with the box and glad tvar that my advice helped a little
Mike Moore - - Parent #
Richard Kennison and Yuri (from Russia) come to mind as two legendary juggling coaches.
I'd like to think my tutorial videos are reasonably good. Here's one on siteswap that I made about siteswap: https://youtu.be/rWQXOHn3sw8 It's a little old, and will probably someday get wrecked by Youtube changing how annotations work, but it did teach my non-juggling grandmother siteswap!
The transition from exercises to full pattern is an interesting point. I recall Ivan Pecel's DVD Advanced 4 and 5 Ball Moves pretty much always ending with "and now that you have done it on either side, run it" which often worked okay for me. I can think of some examples when running the pattern introduces problems that flashing did not: with 645 with the 6s as fountains, make sure you keep those 6s rolling out far enough to not cause collisions. What are the problems you're running into in the particular tutorials you're watching? Do you think there are generalizable difficulties across patterns?
Back in 2011 I made a list of attributes of good vs bad tutorials. Finding it now would be a nightmare, but I'll be redoing some of that research because I'm going to be involved in the IJA making some tutorials soon (I hope!). Maybe I'll start a new thread for it.
Mike Moore - - Parent #
"Here's one on siteswap that I made about siteswap"
Great proofreading, Mike! Still a bit drained from the IJA.
Daniel Simu - - Parent #
Of course there are good teachers! But YouTube is not necessarily the best medium for good teaching...
I'm sure I could teach you the box if we met in person... Also I'm a fan of the methodology of Craig Quat, he explains some of it on vimeo and is now training teachers all over Europe.
On a higher level, I have interviewed juggling teachers such as Jay Gilligan, Sakari Mannisto and Gregor Kiock, if you look up Juggle Jabber on YouTube you'll find them. I would say they are good teachers, although they don't really discuss the subject of learning single 3b tricks such as the box...
Craig Quat - good idea running balls. I was doing it on inclined surface, but using lines will be much better for stability. I guess I can build Craig's board myself. Now I am pretty sure I will learn Box and 4 balls stuff in nearest 6 months. Thanks a lot!
There are good teachers out there. I think the best thing is if you can get to a juggling club or juggling conventions and there you will often find very helpful, knowledgeable people who will gladly help out your juggling (and they are usually pretty good).
I think what can lead to huge progress in juggling is to progress as quickly as possible to 5 ball juggling and to learn siteswap notation. With siteswap notation learnt, you will have the ability to put patterns into freely and widely available simulators and watch them in slow-mo at various heights and speeds, hugely helpful. With 5 ball juggling learnt, you will have the fundamentals of juggling down. I don't know what your current juggling level is? But I would advise to try to go through 4 & 5 ball juggling until you are making 100+ catch runs of 5 balls (or around 25+ seconds), at which point, you will have a level of control sufficient for numerous tricks.
I have spent ~10 years teaching circus skills, including juggling and can help you out if I know your level.
Thanks for the comments. I seriously doubt you will teach me, the 67 old guy, who started juggling 7 months ago ))) selfteaching with no juggling club or convention. I am just at the beginning level haveing 3 b cascade, reverse, "W" over 100 catches plus stable 3b cascade in laying down position (because it is good for my old spine) Right shower up to 37 catches. I will be completely satisfied with stable LEFT shower + stable Box )))
If you will be happy with box, then it will not be too hard. It will also be worth learning some other tricks other than just focusing on shower & box, to improve your throwing, catching and understanding of juggling in general. It might be a less painful path to left hand shower and box in that case. Usual beginner tricks are:
441: https://youtu.be/2jmL-T1IdSY <-- This guy does good tutorials. Unfortunately, mostly for the intermediate 3 ball juggler
Two in one hand: https://youtu.be/_LZKSyhj__g?start=216
Tennis: https://youtu.be/XPILocujjqQ
Windmill: https://youtu.be/cSMkfVuV5hM
I think the first two should also fairly directly help your box, whereas tennis and windmill, while improving your overall ability, will not focus as hard on exactly what box and LH shower need. 441 helps you learn the '1' throw in both directions, crucial for box. Two in one hand, particularly in your left hand, will improve your speed & accuracy in the weaker hand perhaps more than anything else you could practice at this stage.
Stephen Meschke - - Parent #
Have you considered a program like this one? Its an affordable way to get high quality coaching advice. Along with instructional videos, Juggling Mastery students are granted access to a private Facebook page, where the instructor (Lauri) is consistantly answering questions and doing live video calls.
Here's an interesting article with interviews with Dan Holzman, Jay Gilligan, Richard Kennison and Paul Arneberg, "Juggling Coaches", by Scott Cain on IJA's juggle.org.
I've attended classes with many great teachers, I'm thinking of Sean Gandini, Jay Gilligan, Wes Peden & Matt Hall in particular. In each case what made them great for me was their individual enthusiasm & their ability to open my eyes to new possibilities & ideas. The teaching in terms of breaking down the mechanics of individual tricks was not important to me.
I would guess that the vast majority of jugglers I know are mostly self taught like me. I think there is an expectation in the juggling world that you should develop your own unique style which shuns rigid coaching. If I want to learn a new trick I will always want to figure it out my own way of doing it partly due to a desire to be unique, partly because I enjoy figuring things out on my own & partly due to simple arrogance. I don't think I'm alone in this which I believe explains why there aren't many juggling coaches to choose from.
Anthony Gatto & Jason Garfield have tried & failed to make a go of the professional juggling coach to hobby jugglers (as opposed to circus school teachers which I think is a different thing entirely) in the style of music/dance/martial arts instructors that exist everywhere. Anthony Trahir seems to be doing ok for himself, as does Lauri Koskinen (who is a new name to me), I wish them both success.
I vaguely recall Erin Stephens(?) who put out a video which was a good example of effective coaching. It showed the juggling of a group of young girls that she had trained, all of whom were very accomplished & had a style that clearly came from one instructor (eg. I recall a particular under the leg catch where the right hand goes inside the right leg & the ball is caught on the outside that many of the girls performed very well).
Do you like \ not like to t e a c h (not just give a hint, but take the time and get involved, and real life person to person) ?
Thanks for voting!
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Mike Moore - - Parent #
Voted depends: I usually try to spend about 20 minutes at club practice focusing and getting some really good practice in. During that time, I don't want to teach, talk, listen, etc.
Other than that, I'm normally happy to teach.
The last one. I like it, but I don't want to spend my precious juggling time doing something else than juggling (at least not too often). And regular juggling club meetings is usually the only place where someone is interesting in letting me teach them some juggling, so... I don't really teach much.
I should try to give some workshops on juggling conventions, though. I can't juggle all the time there anyway, and I tried it as a co-teacher in a passing workshop at the last BJC and really liked that. Now I just need to find something that I think I can actually teach well enough for a workshop.
Ah, yeah, I like to teach non-juggling things, too... As long as the person/people learning wants to learn, not if I'm trying to teach a whole class where some people would rather not be there at all. Though I usually don't have time or opportunities for that, either.
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Teaching; creating a ``school´´ (teaching concept); giving workshops; .. .
Here's wikipedia's article on instructional theory listing "methods, models and strategies" in an overview that can be used as a checklist or as entry point for forming and developing your teaching skills.
See also [just a detail from the above]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synectics ( .. stimulates thought processes of which the subject may be unaware.
[ // wow cool. // ] )
.. and - for a contrasting approach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edupunk (critical, self-directed DIY)
Didn't find any "evolution of skills"-article neither on wikipedia nor the web, however,
.. anyway, interesting stuff, i think, .. A'll leave it here as mosaique stones. [ #teaching #furtherStudies #schools #theory #anticipatedNoRepliesThread :o]) ]
Hello!
I think about living in Europe (I'm from Russia), but I don't know how to do it.
Maybe you know?
For 5 years I developed juggling in Russia, teached how to juggle in my juggling school, gived a lot of workshops in different cities, and thats what I want to do. And of course, to make show (but it is not so important for me)
For work: I have no official education, I have got only site with videos and photos of my school.
Maybe I can find work? Maybe there is any education for jugglers, or juggling teachers? (I heard that in Germany education is free for foreigners)
Maybe you know some interesting information?
Stephen Meschke - - Parent #
Have you thought of providing services online?
What would you charge for ($):
One hour consultation (phone call, watching Youtube videos)
Six weeks of detailed training plans
Five minutes video review, three times a week
Also curious, on the flipside Stephen (or anyone) assuming you wanted such a service what would you pay for it?
Little Paul - - Parent #
How much did people pay gatto when he tried this?
The last time we looked it was $4.95 to sign up $65 per question.
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
No, I want to live in Europe. And if study - only with real people.
Thank you)
Little Paul - - Parent #
But how many people do we think actually paid that?
I'd guess at somewhere between 0 & 9. There are just so many great people who will help just for the asking, there really is no reason to fork out big money.
pumpkineater23 - - Parent #
Was there any kind of 'ask three questions for the price of two' deal?
Stephen Meschke - - Parent #
Not a lot, $150 to $200. This is about 4 hours of work (1hr. consultation, 1hr. for practice routine, and 2hrs. making Youtube Comments). Before I would commit, I would want to see some proof that Llia Poliakov has trained a juggler from 100 catches with 7b/5c to one minute with 7b/5c.
Experienced jugglers will help me out with Youtube comments, but nobody is going to go out of their way to put together a training plan.
I feel adressed ("Germany"), but afraid, I can't help much.
I'm also afraid (but not sure what you mean), that "free education for foreigners" applies to refugees and asylum seeking persons, not to immigrants.
Wishing to do similar ("teach / juggling school"), I scanned the web for what offers there are .. here's an example from Berlin (aside Munich a german stronghold, dense with jugglers), even in english version:
Berlin (team): https://www.active2.eu/active2_english.html
Another one man offer with english version:
https://dembny.net/index2.html
Even without understanding german, you can see and guess from the pics and from international words ("show, workshop, Trainer, Minuten, Manager, .. " a.s.o.) of what's being offered and get an impression, that few, but there is schools and courses being offered (with or without show) and see some prizes in the german only examples:
Schools, clubs, groups, teams:
Munich (team): https://www.jonglierkurs.de/teilnehmer/kursinhalt/jonglieren/
Konstanz, clown-school + juggling: https://www.tamala-center.de/startseite.html
One man offers:
(german "juggling for success TM" Dave Finnigan -clone): https://www.jonglierenlernen.de/
Frankfurt, workshops: https://advanced-juggling.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=38&Itemid=61
Stuttgart, southwest germany: https://jongleur.in/jongleur-wolframott-kontakt.html
Maybe you can even contact Berlin or Munich, or that clown-school and find out if collaboration is possible.
[ #school #teaching #workshops #offers #professionals ] gotta get used to tagging when editing before hitting "post"!
Ilia Poliakov - - Parent #
Thank you, I wrote them right now)
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