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varkor -

Guinness world records for juggling...

I recently heard that for (some/all?) marathon-style events, GWR permits (accumulating) breaks every hour — for example, a 5-minute break every hour. Since the 3- and 4-ball endurance world records were both awarded by GWR, I was wondering whether anyone knew whether this was also the case for the juggling records?

Call me a purist, but it seems that, as impressive as juggling for 12 hours, with only short breaks in, is — it wouldn't be fair to strictly count time after taking breaks, and it'd be nice to know if this was the case for those records. Anyone know, or have any thoughts?

furlisht - - Parent

I'd like to know that as well, I always wondered how a normal human being deals with basic human commodity for 12 hours while juggling!

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

It's been suggested that an adult diaper might be helpful. Also drinking from a straw and being fed carefully.

Kelhoon - - Parent

or a few cycles of "eating the apple" ?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Once you sign up for doing an actual entry, you get an email including aaalll of the specifications and rules regarding that particular entry (if one has been set before). So I recommend pretending you're going to set something.
I've done so ages ago for a record, wasn't too complicated.

varkor - - Parent

Ah, that's good advice, thank you! I just sent a general enquiry a moment ago, but if they can't give me the information, I shall do that! I'll report back here when I know more.

varkor - - Parent

Their general enquiry reply was a lot of auto-generated nonsense, so I've submitted a record attempt form. Let's see where that goes...

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

Doesn't answer your questions, but here's an interview with the record holder that was just published: https://www.juggle.org/interview-david-slick/

Daniel Simu - - Parent

From the interview: "No breaks allowed and the throwing must alternate hands."

Daniel Simu - - Parent

And then in the promo video posted in the article there is a news caption:
"David Slick goes 12 hours without eating, drinking or bathroom break"

varkor - - Parent

That's much more detailed than anything I managed to find previously, thanks! That seems to support a continuous 12-hour record, which is comforting! (Especially the quotes about training for a long time to be able to do that.)

Jedi Juggler - - Parent

By "must alternate hands", does that mean you can't set records for synchronous patterns? Or would it still be alright since both hands are used? What about siteswaps with a "0" where you end up throwing with the same hand twice?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I guess for this particular record they want you to throw a cascade, and "must alternate hands" was the way Guinness describes the cascade. Of course one can try and be creative with the rules, but first we must consult the full rule document which Varkor might receive soon.

peterbone - - Parent

I think that the records they allow short breaks for are not skill based. For example, longest time spend video gaming.

varkor - - Parent

I managed to get my hands on the rules for the 3-ball juggling record. The details specific to the 3-ball record (as opposed to more general classes of records), are:

1. Three objects are to be juggled. It is recommended that they are balls but other objects can be used, including (but not limited to) clubs, staffs or rings.
2. The objects to be juggled must be pre-approved by GWR.
3. All patterns used must be continuously alternating right-left-right-left (Cascade pattern).
4. No left-left or right-right will be allowed at any time.
5. If any of the objects are dropped, the attempt ends at that moment.
6. No ‘multiplexing’ is allowed for attempts on this record. If two objects are caught in the same hand at the same time, the attempt is ended at that point.
7. Food and drink can be consumed during the attempt but the challenger cannot stop juggling to do this, an assistant can help.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Thanks for updating. Much purer than I'd heard!

varkor -

9-club World Record: 11 catches — Eivind Dragsjo
https://youtu.be/1E82gmtKT5k

7b_wizard - - Parent

Haha, great! A. Ma. Zing. Guess no one including himself had him on their short list?

Mike Moore - - Parent

I don't know...after watching Corrections, I'm pretty convinced he's unstoppable.

Monte - - Parent

I re-posted this elsewhere and didn't get a single comment. Some people are just hard to impress.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'm impressed, but don't know what to comment!

varkor -

Alex Barron does it again.
https://youtu.be/yJZ-cT9d4-g

The Void - - Parent

Coo. Well done Alex!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Oh! .. I didn't know it was possible to juggle so many balls. :o]

Orinoco - - Parent

Wow. That is a very tidy pattern too, doesn't look too far away from being able to qualify it.

7b_wizard -

Do you know or can you think of a trick, a move, that is  h a r d e r  with  l e s s  props?   [ #trick ]

DavidCain - - Parent

Yes, a three ball fountain vs. a four ball fountain! But, to be serious, some might consider shoulder throws with 3 balls or (especially) clubs more difficult than shoulder throws with 4.
David Cain

varkor - - Parent

I suspect this is more because people simply don't bother practising them, but *proper* 4-club backcrosses (in a fountain pattern), might have a smaller difficulty gap between the 4- and 5-club version than other tricks — because the rotation of the clubs is the "wrong" way round — it rotates out of your grasp rather than into it. I would probably rate it as more difficult... but perhaps if you upped the numbers further...

The Void - - Parent

How are they backCROSSES if it's a fountain?

DavidCain - - Parent

Good question. Maybe he means back sames.

varkor - - Parent

Because the club leaves your hand on the opposite side of your body to the hand the club is thrown with. Throws in a backcross fountain cross your body twice (once whilst you're holding it, once in the air).

The Void - - Parent

I disagree on your definition. IMO the "crosses" in "backcrosses" refers to the club crossing from one hand to the other. Which it does not do in the pattern you describe.
Not to say it's not an impressive trick/pattern.
Is this what you are calling "backsames", David?

Little Paul - - Parent

I always understood that "backcrosses" were "left hand throw appears over right shoulder" and "backsames" were "left hand throw appears over left shoulder" with the implication that the catching hand is the one associated with the shoulder

I'm not sure what you'd call "left hand throw appears over right shoulder, is then caught by left hand" apart from "fugly"

DavidCain - - Parent

Yes, Sounds like backsames. It's a four club fountain backcross-like throws that come back to the throwing hand. Backcrosses require the clubs to be caught by the opposite hand that threw the club / prop.
David

Mike Moore - - Parent

I find 3b levels harder than 4b levels. I often find myself struggling to remember how to do 3b levels, whereas the 4b version feels so natural to me. (levels: https://libraryofjuggling.com/Tricks/3balltricks/Levels.html)


Perhaps a "most catches of a period one siteswap in a minute" would be easier with 4 than 3. I realize that the records don't reflect that now, but I imagine 4b columns more rapidly approaches infinite catches per minute than 3b cascade/reverse cascade. Maybe a vertically-spaced Boston mess with 3b could go faster, though...

7b_wizard - - Parent

I just found sth with triplexes:
    https://fs5.directupload.net/images/160503/nxtldnmg.gif       https://fs5.directupload.net/images/160503/93gyaxj2.gif
    6b [32T1] or [345][22]2    8b-[567][22]2
The 8 ball version is easier (for me), because the stacked 5 + 7 are collected together before throwing the next triplex, while, with 6b, you throw next right after the lower ball of that stack is caught. So the 3 + 5 must be well apart (needn't with 8b).

James Hennigan - - Parent

I haven't tried 7 ball duplexes but I'd imagine they're harder than 8 ball duplexes. However, I'm not sure if I'd say that [43] is 'the 7 ball version' of [44].

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'd say 5b-[32T] is the 5 ball version for (horizontal duplex) "splits", and 7b-[43] their 7b version.
The lower version for 8b-[44], would be 6b-[33] (uncut stacked duplex).
So, same, evens or unevens, and same throw types, compare, rather than else it's another trick.
Cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplex_%28juggling%29#Throw_types (Stack, Split, Cut, and Slice)

Carp -

Hi Everybody!

I enjoyed EJC for the first time last year and I hope to make it back this year :)


:) Carp

varkor - - Parent

What was wrong with it the previous years?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

See you in Almere! :D

varkor -

A number of Android's new emoji were revealed today (https://android-developers.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/android-n-developer-preview-2-out-today.html). Among them, the emoji entitled "Juggling".

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-apiGmWov19I/Vw5z0iHmTeI/AAAAAAAACt8/zHCwLlmVtmEFkvnAi8xNNPTJ1CBgl6VdQCLcB/s100/image07.png

The problem, I am sure, is clear to us all.

But perhaps it's not too late. The version of Android that is to first include these new characters is a developer preview, for which community feedback is encouraged. Do we want such fallacious imagery to pervade throughout a good portion of the global connected population? Do we care enough to try and stop it before it's too late? Maybe.

It could just be me. But I'm willing to bet there are least a few others who are irked by this too.

lukeburrage - - Parent

1. Who juggles with gloves on?
2. Jugglers wear hats with wider brims.
3. They have to look at what they are juggling.

I can't spot anything anything else wrong with it.

seveirein - - Parent

Are those gloves, or is he just handless?

loganstafman - - Parent

I like to imagine he's doing 5 ball blind behind-the-neck throws, but they're just a bit too high

Oscar Lindberg - - Parent

What about a wide and low overhead cascade?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

The problem is obvious? That is a bit racist of you... ;)

Orinoco -

Thanks to the fantastic Let's Encrypt Project you can now use the Juggling Edge over an encrypted connection. Just change the url from http to https.

#NewFeature

That's going to come in handy...

varkor - - Parent

Any disadvantage to enforcing HTTPS by default?

Orinoco - - Parent

It is obviously slower (albeit infinitesimally so these days).

https pages are not (or at least should not be) cached.

Some proxies/firewalls don't allow https traffic.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Well I never.

I've been running HTTPS Everywhere since BT thought it would be a simply smashing idea to start injecting ads for themselves into their customers' HTTP requests (hint: It wasn't you massive band of cynical cockwombles) and I don't think I've ever noticed another site that reverts to HTTP. I don't require enforced secure connections but it hadn't even really occurred to me there might be places that don't do it.

About bloody time too! <shakes g33k="" fist=""></shakes>

Orinoco -

Several improvements to Causal diagrams this week.

We now also have a sandbox with options to tweak the dimensions & colours allowing you to create some truly horrendous looking diagrams. Also has the ability to export as a png image.

#NewFeature

Maria - - Parent

Awesome! I like the sandbox and ability to export the image, nice to play with and maybe I'll share a causal diagram somewhere outside of the Edge sometimes... :)

varkor - - Parent

Just thought I'd let you know that it doesn't look so good on Retina / @2x displays at the moment — the <canvas> is upscaled, so it gets all blurry. (The trick is to draw everything at twice the size, and then downscale with CSS.) Just to make things a little more complicated for you!

Orinoco - - Parent

I liked things better when a pixel was a pixel.

Is that better?

varkor - - Parent

Yep — that's much nicer! Thanks!

The Void -

Juggling typeface.
Juggling Typeface/Font! https://t.co/v4IWCktc7L https://t.co/Y7ud2Qquze pic.twitter.com/9EiirCikwY
— Juggling.tv (@jugglingtv) December 9, 2015

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Whaaahaaa, that is super clever and well done!

varkor - - Parent

A clever idea, but many of the letters are completely unrecognisable. How is ||| anything like E? I'd be interested to see how they actually came up with the letters — I have a feeling many could be improved, although I don't doubt it's no easy thing to do.

Chris - - Parent

It's an E on its side

Brook Roberts - - Parent

Some of us tried to actually do this for a birthday video for Lewis - https://youtu.be/z7YxYN_1Kc8?start=42
I wondered what we did...to our shame I'm not sure our idea for E was better!

To be fair, we did actually attempt to juggle them, with very little practise.

Orinoco - - Parent

Reminds me of the puzzle set by the guy behind the King's Cascade website a few years ago which had a number of Juggling Lab animations playing, you had to rotate the view so that the carries formed different letters to spell out the solution.

Stephen Meschke -

Top ten most frequently logged records in JugglingEdge Records.

There are 10273 records logged.
There are records for 1084 unique tricks.

The ten most logged tricks are:

7b cascade was logged 432 times.
5b cascade was logged 430 times.
6b fountain was logged 282 times.
5c cascade was logged 264 times.
3b back crosses was logged 133 times.
5b 744 was logged 132 times.
8b fountain was logged 121 times.
6b synchronous fountain was logged 117 times.
9b cascade was logged 114 times.
3b in one hand was logged 112 times.

#statistics

Little Paul - - Parent

The clustering is interesting there.

Do people work on tricks in pairs of something?

varkor - - Parent

Wait, you don't?

Little Paul - - Parent

I can't afford the airfare to France every time I want to learn something new.

Little Paul - - Parent

I may have misread my own post - it's one of those days!

The Void - - Parent

Yes. Socks and shoes, usually. And hopefully trousers.

Orinoco - - Parent

My immediate thought is, what is 3b back crosses doing in there amongst all those 'numbers' tricks?

Julius - - Parent

Can we also get "people that logged X"? Something like "7b cascade was logged by xxx different people".

7b_wizard - - Parent

https://www.jugglingedge.com/records.php?PropNumber=7&PropType=b&Trick=cas .. 50 people. .. [ Main Menu "Records" --> linky "search records" --> "Number of props": drop-down-choice "7" + "Prop type": "ball" + Siteswap: [empty or ``7´´] + "Pattern": "cascade" ] .. ;o]p

Julius - - Parent

Thanks. And now do it for every trick and make a list like above?

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

There are 73 different people that posted 432 records for 7 ball cascade.

I am using Python to look at this data, here is a link to an image of the code's text: https://i.imgur.com/tcUnZi2.png.

I would really like to just type the 6 lines of Python code in to this text box, but I can't find a way.

Orinoco - - Parent

You can use the <code> tag:


import pandas as pd
records = pd.read_csv('/home/sm/Desktop/records.csv')

sbc = []
for record in records.values:
if 7==record[3] and 'b'==record[4] and 'cas'==record[5]:
sbc.append(record[2])

print np.unique(sbc)
print 'there are', len(np.unique(sbc)), 'jugglers working on 7 ball cascade

Orinoco - - Parent

I'll let the typographical error in that be an exercise in debugging for the reader...

mrawa - - Parent

I see three, but I'm not sure if two of them are due to the formatting of the code block or your copying.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

There are 4: 2 code block formatting, 1 typographical, and Orinoco forgot to import numpy as np.

mrawa - - Parent

Ah, I ignored that as it an expert from the whole code :P

Another one would be that the code block allows wrapping, which would have lead to multiple addition issues...

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

What's your preferred method sharing Python code? I don't think I'll ever be able to get it into this text box, which would be ideal. My preferred alternative is posting an image (like I did) of the code running, the drawback is copy/paste doesn't work. I don't like Github either.

Little Paul - - Parent

I'd have gone github (either sharing the repo, or a gist) - but if you don't like that you won't like my bitbucket/gitlab.com/assembla suggestions either...

If you're not particularly bothered about people being able to contribute changes back to you, there's always pastebin

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