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Terix -

Please please any advices for passing clubs back to back?
https://youtu.be/b4RAx9BWc-w (1:23 - 1:46)
Is there anything special to do - like looking to the sides, special kind of throw or the point is just in a lot of practising (probably helmet required :D)?

7b_wizard - - Parent

no idea .. "know where to aim"? (somewhere above yourself) .. ( is how I do my 5b all ups 180° ) .. check where your throws come down where there's a mirror (or window front of a gym)?

david - - Parent

Talk to your partner.

A simpler set up is a line of three with the middle juggler facing the first juggler and doing back drops to the third juggler. The third juggler makes a long pass to the first juggler. The first makes a short pass to the middle juggler and the middle one does the back drops. The third juggler provides feedback to the middle juggler.

When two can throw reliable back drops and have experience scatching them, they can try back-to-back.

hth

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I always felt that 7 clubs back to back was easier than with 6 clubs. 6 club doubles has a lame rhythm with awkward pauses between the passes. 7 clubs just feels better.

Little Paul -

Now Available - Alexander Kiss book "If you are a juggler"

Niels Duinker has just released this on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1979653402/ - hopefully the ordering process will be a little easier than it was for "Juggling, The Past, and Future"

The description on amazon reads:

Alexander Kiss wrote, "If You are a Juggler" in the USSR in 1970. Now that it finally has been translated into English, we can all learn from this Russian circus icon and master juggler. In 1969 Alexander won the Rastelli Award, given to the top juggler in the world. In this book, Alexander Kiss shares his life's work while also offering insights to jugglers and other performers alike. From stories of juggling greats to descriptions of their famed tricks, this is a collection of valuable information to all who read it. Learn Alexander's thoughts about proper practice technique, how to structure an act, correct body position, originality, developing new tricks, prop decoration, and much more.

I'm very much looking forward to my copy turning up...

The Void - - Parent

UK amazon link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1979653402/
Cheers, ordered!

bad1dobby - - Parent

Any chance of a review, LP? As brief as you like...

bad1dobby - - Parent

... or as detailed as you like.

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

eJuggle (https://www.juggle.org/ejuggle/) will have a review soon. I'll try to remember to post a link here when it comes out.

Little Paul - - Parent

Once my copy arrives, I'll certainly let people know what I think of it.

Sergei -

Reverse Cascade. Help needed. Balls bump frequently. I am trying to toss each subsequent ball higher and higher. it works for sometime, but total mess in couple seconds ... It is surely wrong way. I have this feeling that top of opposite throws should be at equal high, but in different places. I am currently working on left hand tosses OVER two plastic bars at about 8" distance apart and at chin level. Any good ideas to tame reverse cascade?

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

'See' the sideways figure 8 shape in your minds-eye and keep the ball running along it. Be gentle and try to keep the rhythm uniform. Your hands will be moving in circles the opposite way to the cascade (left hand clockwise, right hand anti-clockwise).

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

*balls* not ball..

7b_wizard - - Parent

[service:]

sideways figure 8 shape = lemniscate, infinity symbol

html coding: ∝ ∝ ∝ ∞ ∞ ∞ [dunno which one will render]

Sergei - - Parent

yes, I tried throwing outside (just one ball) staying in paralel bar shoulder width/height and naturally got figure "8" sensation

Maria - - Parent

You are right, they should be equal height.

In regular Cascade, the throw from the right hand has its highest Point on the left side (and the left hand throw on the right side) since you are throwing from the inside to the outside.
In reverse Cascade, the throw from the right hand has its highest Point on the right side (and the left hand throw on the left side) since you are throwing from the outside to the inside.

That might help?

Sergei - - Parent

YES, it surely helps (I mean where top points are) I watched carefully some video in slow motion and noticed that in regular cascade TOP right throw goes to opposite ear projection? for reverse - it is the same ear/ Thanks a lot.

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

If it's getting higher and higher, then you're throwing too early. Wait a bit more for the previous ball to drop before you throw the next ball over it. You can practice over the top on one side (half-shower) and practice that also on your weak side before you do solid reverse cascade. For half-shower, it's good to practice controlling various height differences between the higher throw and the lower throw, and it's especially useful to gain control with the higher one just over the lower one. Another fun one to try is tennis which is the same ball over the top back and forth on each side while the other two do normal cascades. Good luck!

Sergei - - Parent

YES! It make sense for me. Thanks a lot for your suggestion. I surely need to improve the timing

varkor -

Guinness world records for juggling...

I recently heard that for (some/all?) marathon-style events, GWR permits (accumulating) breaks every hour — for example, a 5-minute break every hour. Since the 3- and 4-ball endurance world records were both awarded by GWR, I was wondering whether anyone knew whether this was also the case for the juggling records?

Call me a purist, but it seems that, as impressive as juggling for 12 hours, with only short breaks in, is — it wouldn't be fair to strictly count time after taking breaks, and it'd be nice to know if this was the case for those records. Anyone know, or have any thoughts?

furlisht - - Parent

I'd like to know that as well, I always wondered how a normal human being deals with basic human commodity for 12 hours while juggling!

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

It's been suggested that an adult diaper might be helpful. Also drinking from a straw and being fed carefully.

Kelhoon - - Parent

or a few cycles of "eating the apple" ?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Once you sign up for doing an actual entry, you get an email including aaalll of the specifications and rules regarding that particular entry (if one has been set before). So I recommend pretending you're going to set something.
I've done so ages ago for a record, wasn't too complicated.

varkor - - Parent

Ah, that's good advice, thank you! I just sent a general enquiry a moment ago, but if they can't give me the information, I shall do that! I'll report back here when I know more.

varkor - - Parent

Their general enquiry reply was a lot of auto-generated nonsense, so I've submitted a record attempt form. Let's see where that goes...

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

Doesn't answer your questions, but here's an interview with the record holder that was just published: https://www.juggle.org/interview-david-slick/

Daniel Simu - - Parent

From the interview: "No breaks allowed and the throwing must alternate hands."

Daniel Simu - - Parent

And then in the promo video posted in the article there is a news caption:
"David Slick goes 12 hours without eating, drinking or bathroom break"

varkor - - Parent

That's much more detailed than anything I managed to find previously, thanks! That seems to support a continuous 12-hour record, which is comforting! (Especially the quotes about training for a long time to be able to do that.)

Jedi Juggler - - Parent

By "must alternate hands", does that mean you can't set records for synchronous patterns? Or would it still be alright since both hands are used? What about siteswaps with a "0" where you end up throwing with the same hand twice?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I guess for this particular record they want you to throw a cascade, and "must alternate hands" was the way Guinness describes the cascade. Of course one can try and be creative with the rules, but first we must consult the full rule document which Varkor might receive soon.

peterbone - - Parent

I think that the records they allow short breaks for are not skill based. For example, longest time spend video gaming.

varkor - - Parent

I managed to get my hands on the rules for the 3-ball juggling record. The details specific to the 3-ball record (as opposed to more general classes of records), are:

1. Three objects are to be juggled. It is recommended that they are balls but other objects can be used, including (but not limited to) clubs, staffs or rings.
2. The objects to be juggled must be pre-approved by GWR.
3. All patterns used must be continuously alternating right-left-right-left (Cascade pattern).
4. No left-left or right-right will be allowed at any time.
5. If any of the objects are dropped, the attempt ends at that moment.
6. No ‘multiplexing’ is allowed for attempts on this record. If two objects are caught in the same hand at the same time, the attempt is ended at that point.
7. Food and drink can be consumed during the attempt but the challenger cannot stop juggling to do this, an assistant can help.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Thanks for updating. Much purer than I'd heard!

CameronFord -

So it’s the start of 2018 – Happy New Year jugglers!

The start of a new year is always a time to reflect on your life and where you want it to go… or to just completely ignore that and think about juggling, which is what I’ve opted to do:

So I’ve had lots of interesting conversations about how people practice juggling, when they started and how quickly they learnt certain tricks. One topic which often comes up is how Anthony Gatto practices. Obvious he’s pretty decent at juggling, so must have been doing something right when he practiced. I decided to try and emulate his practice.

DISCLAIMER: I think Anthony Gatto has a strong claim to the title of ‘best juggler of all time’ and I in no way think I will ever be anywhere near as good as him. I respect his ability immensely and if I say anything like ‘obviously he’s pretty decent at juggling’ like in the line above, I’m deliberately understating things for comic effect. Hopefully this explanation didn’t spoil that effect too much, but I would hate people to think that I don’t respect his ability or that I’m trying to compare myself to him in any way. I just want to get better at juggling, and tell a few jokes. I also don’t think I’m a particularly good solo juggler either, so any statements I make to the contrary are also jokes.
END OF DISCLAIMER.

After reading https://www.juggling.org/help/essays/gatto.html and watching some of https://youtu.be/gtsaTMdKVTM I think these are the key things I’ve learnt about how he practices:

1) Warm up with some gentle balance exercises.
2) Practice for one hour, but every day!
3) Work on each trick for no more than 2-3 minutes, take regular breaks.
4) Have a list of about 20 tricks you are working on, if you aren’t enjoying one, swap it out for another one.

I think the idea of this is you make slow progress on lots of tricks at once, and if you do this every day for 20 years you end up being the best juggler of all time or something. Sounds like a plan- anyone want to book 43 year old Cameron for a performance, he’s going to be awesome? (See disclaimer if you think I’m being arrogant…)

This is very different to how I practice. Sometimes I’m super motivated about one trick and work on just that for a whole session, sometimes I rattle through tricks more quickly. Sometimes I have seen someone do something at a convention which I want to try. Sometimes I have a new idea and want to try and come up with some tricks of my own. Sometimes I’m driving to Austria and don’t practice for a day. The point is, it varies- I don’t have a systematic juggling practice routine. I’ve got my juggling to a level I am proud of but I’m not the best of all time like Anthony… probably only like the 7th best of all time or something (see disclaimer).

I wonder how much better I would get if I started practicing like Anthony? That’s what I plan to find out over the next month or so, maybe with a few days off when I’m skiing/moving to Germany. Who knows, I’ll do it when I can though (I know this already doesn’t really fit with what he does given he did it every day but you know I’m doing my best…).
Right, so I’ll warm up with some balance stuff, cycle through tricks really quickly (I think I’ll have a timer running to keep me disciplined) now all I need is a list of 20 or so tricks:

Balance warm up:
Turn round, kneel down, stand up sit down stand up, clap behind balance, do Macarena etc with club in both nose, chin and forehead balance (2 minutes)
3 balls, 441, 4ball sync and async, 5 balls all with balance. Maybe flash 6. (5 minutes)
Ok, now I’m warm ish, maybe mills is also a good warm up for the arm? I want to work on mills anyways so let’s put some of that in:
Mills:
3 balls, 441, 531 (2 minutes)
4 balls, run, then 531 throwing 5 as under arm and as over arm. Kick up 3 to 4 (3-4 minutes)
5 balls, go for runs, try kick up 4 to 5 (3-4) minutes
I really want to get 5 ball mills looking nice it’s such a cool trick, seems weird only working on it 3-4 minutes but hey, let’s give it a go.
Pirouettes:
3 balls, 3 ups including linked 3 ups and 2 stage 720s (3-4 minutes)
4 balls, 4 ups out of both hands, 2 stage 720 out of sync? (3-4 minutes)
5 balls, 3 ups starting out of both hands, try and get 2 linked (3 minutes)
5 balls, try and land a 5 up out of both hands (3 minutes)
5 balls, 3 ups out of (6x,4)* ? (3 minutes)
I wonder if I’ll find the pirouette section tiring? Maybe I’ll switch this to being at the end after I try it tomorrow. What am I on now? 33 minutes or so, wow, that’s half my practice gone! Ok better get on with it:
5 ball siteswaps:
744 (1 minute)
645 (1 minute)
633 (1 minute)
94444 (1 minute)
97531 (2 minutes)
(8x,4)(4,4) out of (6x,4)* (2 minutes)
753 (1 minute)
Man that’s another 11 minutes gone, how did Anthony make this work? All I’ve done is balls. Crazy he was efficient enough using this practice to get at least as good as I am at all three props, if not better… (disclaimer).
6 ball practice:
3 in one hand, each way (1 minute)
One handed siteswaps with 3 balls like 432 and 42 each hand (2 minutes)
66661 (1 minute)
Run 6 async (2 minutes)
Run 6 sync (2 minutes)
Transition between sync and async (2 minutes)
Kick up 5 to 6 (1 minute)
Man I’m running out of time fast:
7 balls:
5 ball warm up, continuous 3 ups without spinning. 771. (2 minutes)
Try and get some runs of 7 balls (3 minutes)
It seems mad only trying 7 balls for that short an amount of time- I’m used to practicing it in half an hour stretches. I wonder if this will really help me improve?
Half showers:
5 ball half shower, throwing the odd high throw as a back cross (2 minutes)
6 ball half shower (2 minutes)

Man, that’s over an hour! This is insane, I have some other 3 ball tricks which I would love to get solid for an act in the future, I haven’t done any contortionist stuff, I haven’t practiced any of my shower tricks. There’s so many more ball tricks I can think of I want to work on and just as many club and ring tricks… I guess I’ll have to gradually change what is in my practice over the next 20 years so that I master clubs and rings too. Oh and head bounce. Also might take up cigar boxes. Should probably do some passing at some point too… hmmm.

I’m planning on trying this tomorrow after I’ve done some tutoring, if anyone has any feedback/suggestions of things to add or take out I would love to hear it.

I’ll post an update with how I found the practice tomorrow, and maybe again after 5 days or a week or something. Will definitely post again in 20 years when I’m the best of all time (disclaimer). Hopefully if you've read this far that last disclaimer was unnecessary. Bye x

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I always wonder how much this differs from his practice when he started out. This routine of his was perhaps built more to help him maintain the level he had, it could be different to the training he did when he was actively learning new skills!

CameronFord - - Parent

So if you follow the link from the post (https://www.juggling.org/help/essays/gatto.html) it describes how he tried juggling 4 clubs for the first time. Very different from my experience of learning 4 clubs- I remember putting in lots of hours and ending up with fairly battered forearms. It seems crazy to me that anyone can learn new tricks by spending such a short amount of time on them but I guess the key is doing it every single day. I guess the fact it seems crazy is why I want to try it for myself and see if it works for me :)
Obviously I can't know for certain but as far as I can tell this really is how he learnt new tricks as well as just maintaining ones he could do already.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Oof, different from my experience too. I spent a whole summer on 4 clubs..

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

https://www.juggle.org/anthony-gatto-interview-on-practicing/ the last question:

eJuggle: How has your practice style changed over the years?

Gatto: It has not altered too much. I follow the same structure as I used when I was ten. What I do now more than ever is listen to my body and do not force things to happen.

CameronFord - - Parent

Day 1 log now posted.

el_grimley - - Parent

I used an app called "action timer" for when I had to do a bunch of physio. Basically put in the length of time for each activity, the title and hit the go button. It will tell you what to do when (including rests). If you plan to do the same thing week in week out it might be a good way of getting consistency. I'm sure there are a whole bunch of similar apps which might fit your need if you don't like that one.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

I have been using an app I created to structure my juggling training and collect juggling data. The Android app is called Routine Builder. It is available free in the Play store, and by email. Check out my training logs to see what the app can do.

peterbone - - Parent

Lets not forget that he also had a coach. Someone who watches closely from a different perspective and gives good feedback is invaluable. It is perhaps what allowed him to get so much out of such short sessions. The question is if the same practice structure is optimal for a juggler without a coach.

CameronFord - - Parent

Very true, I guess what I'm really testing is whether this 2-3 minutes per trick style of practice works better for me than my normal fewer tricks for a longer amount of time style. It's definitely different from what he did in a number of ways.

Mike Moore - - Parent

A while ago I was working on consistency of patterns. I made a recording of myself saying the name of a pattern I wanted to work on, then put in silence so the total track length was 30 seconds. I think I had something like 6 different tricks, so I duplicated each track 9 times to give me a total of a half hour of audio. I made this a playlist, hit shuffle, and BAM! I practiced in a very focused way for 30 minutes[1].

I did make a lot of progress during this time, but probably similar progress to when I practiced for the same amount of time by myself without such a rigid structure. Hard to tell.

[1] - For if you're having trouble understanding what I'm talking about, the session would sound like this:
"Around the head shower, right hand" [~30 seconds of silence]
"Blind behind the head" [~30 seconds of silence]
etc. etc. for 30 minutes.

Joerg - - Parent

As far as I understand your routine is a random circuit training, because you 'hit shuffle'.
I think that most people train in a linear way, one trick after another for a certain amount of time in a training session. I like the idea of a circuit training and for some tricks I have made good experience with something like A-B-C-D-A-B-C-D ... or A-B-C-D-B-C-E ... after a warmup and with short breaks in between. The letters are representing different tricks. At the end of a session I have repeated some tricks 2 or 3 times. 2-10 minutes per trick works well for me.

CameronFord - - Parent

I really like both these ideas, maybe I should switch up the order I do my tricks in rather than always sticking to the same order. Revisiting them in the same session is also an interesting idea... thanks for your ideas :)

The Void -

James Rinehart. This guy's form on pirouettes is... quite something!
http://juggling.tv/16712

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I skimmed around and saw pirouettes in the last 30 seconds. Did you mean those? They remind me a lot of classic female Chinese diaboloist pirouettes, with a big lean over.

The Void - - Parent

I watched it again. He *is* actually spinning straight (more or less), but the bent over entry and exit somehow make it look like he's spinning bent over.

Ian Marchant - - Parent

It may also be due to the stage.....the stage at the venue has a triple rake so is very slopped from the back to the front. It's quite a pain!

The Void - - Parent

Good point!

Orinoco - - Parent

Hey LP, if you haven't already watched this you'll *love* the tambourine juggling section!

Little Paul - - Parent

At least he apologised in advance...

7b_wizard -

Did you ever - as far as you're aware, of course - dream that you toss*-juggle?

    Yes:
  1. Yes. Often or sometimes and with clear memory of it.
  2. Yes, often or sometimes, but memory is dim or I forget soon or right after after waking up.
  3. Yes, once or twice. Clearly.
  4. Yes, once or twice. Dimly.

  5. Somewhat \ Maybe:
  6. Not really - only single throws and catches. Or only throws to drops. Or only slightly very shortly losing physical contact to the prop before catching it again rightaway.
  7. I think so, but I'm not sure 'cos the memory of it is dim and nebulous or mixed up.

  8. No \ Rather not:
  9. I dream of conventions or of meetings or of folks or of being in a gym or of any juggling setup or of being onstage or of having an audience or of having my props with me and in reach and getting ready, but astonishingly never do or can't manage to actually really toss and really juggle one single throw.
  10. Could have been possible, can't exclude, might have, but any corresponding memory is too dim and nebulous to really tell. Rather not.
  11. Definitely, not that I know. No memory of the kind. Nowhere near.

  12. [ other ]


*"toss" - or fly and catch a diabolo, or run a devilstick, or foot- or knee-juggle a soccer ball, headbounces, or also scarve-juggling, .. anything where you lose physical contact to your prop. And catching, or at least the intention to catch, should be included. - So, I'd like contact-juggling, contact-staff, spinning, twirling, balancing and alike to be excluded.

This is a competition thread which ran from 19th Nov 2017 to 26th Nov 2017. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm 7. Would love to improve over night, though. Also forgot to include the choice "Constantly, it's unnerving, I wake up from it everytime I drop." lol

I can - not while dreaming, but when awake - visualize throws (and then upto where they fly until I do the next throw to focus on, which is about to their apex), but then don't know where the balls are for catching (they sort of fade or vanish in a still life from where I last pictured them), .. so, when visualizing more rounds after launch, I have to take the catches for granted (and from seeing balls at launch before my mind's eye, I go over to instead feeling my handmovement + thrust + aiming or so). [ #dream #visualize ]

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I think I've only ever dreamt of juggling once. I dream of juggling conventions fairly often. There frequently isn't any juggling in the juggling convention dreams, but I know I'm at a juggling convention. I'll give myself a 7.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Okay. Sounds more like "maybe, rather yes" to me(?). Then maybe 3. or 4, (both definite "yes"), if you're sure, you did, or 6. if you're you're not all sure, but positively think you did, would fit better? - 7. was really more meant as an "almost, but definitely not" .. everything is ready and setup to juggle, but you don't or can't or don't know how (the emphasis is not on the surroundings-story, but just to elude on "nearly could and should've but it didn't happen"). Actually, I meant the poll to find out how many are even able to juggle while dreaming. (But, hey, whatever you think! I'm happy about everyone who finds a choice that fits him.)

7b_wizard - - Parent

It's not all clear: does "you think" in "I think I've only ever dreamt of juggling once." refer to "dreamt of juggling" or to "ever only once"? Do or do you not have a memory of indeed yourself juggling?

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I've definitely dreamt about juggling conventions. I may have dreamt about actual juggling. I don't usually remember my dreams well nor conversations about them. I slightly remember discussing having a juggling dream that wasn't the usual so I think I may have been juggling in it. Or perhaps I actually saw juggling (as the convention dreams don't usually (or ever?) have juggling in them. It's all a bit hazy for sure. I'm a definite 7 and maybe a 4 but I won't commit to that.

Maria - - Parent

I have dreamt I was passing clubs at least twice. I don't remember details (like what pattern or passing partners) but I think I remembered a bit more right after I woke up. I believe I woke up in the middle of the pattern, not after dropping. Good dreams. :)

I'll put that as a 4.

Have definitely dreamt of juggling conventions a few times, too. At least more times than about actual juggling... As far as I can remember, of course.

Maria - - Parent

...and shortly after I wrote that answer I slept and dreamed about working out new take-out passing patterns (on paper and by walking through the moves) together with another passer that I know from conventions. I know who the other juggler was but not what pattern we were working on. No actual juggling in that dream, though.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Double yes:
First without effort, and second when I was learning to lucid dream.

(I don't bother with lucid dreaming anymore)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Awesome. Can you still recall that ´´film´´, can you remember the pattern(s) and if you juggled same that you juggle when you really juggle (awake) or better and harder pattern(s), did it feel like real juggling with you controlling, acting & reacting, or did it somehow ´´hover´´, go all by itself, with you being able to watch like your own audience, was it °-.,~°happy°~.,.-°, did you ´´upgrade´´ first step to superhuman juggler, did it impact on your real juggling or did it rather seem as a fulfilment of your real juggling, a confirmation, a validation, a corroboration burnt by and into subconsciousness as affirmation?

Mike Moore - - Parent

The first time I dreamt about juggling was the most memorable. Myself and many friends were lined up to enter jail cells (for some unknown reason, but we were all resigned to it). I was among the first group locked away, but at the time (when awake), I'd often vaguely fantasized about going to jail and juggling all day, every day. I juggled a 3b cascade while sitting on some riser (a crate?). I dropped, the ball went off my foot and rolled out of the cell to a yet-to-be restrained friend of mine. They shot me such a nasty look that it woke me up.

When I was practicing lucid dreaming, I dreamt of practicing 7b cascade (probably half a dozen times or so). I didn't find that it helped, and found that I woke less rested than usual when this happened, so I stopped. Maaaybe this helped me "feel" what it was like to run it, but I doubt it had any real benefit. I was able to slow things down, see things from a third party point of view, etc.

7b_wizard - - Parent

fantasized about going to jail and juggling all day, every day.

I - when awake - sometimes have that martial arts movie-picture ("The snake in the shadow of the Eagle" or sth) of Jackie Chan training (barehanded) in a desert in my mind's eye, or that guy with his nunchucks-like three-parts-staff practising.

Nice story!

Sobers me up a bit that it shouldn't have any practise effect as I imagined. I'd still do it, though :o) (°gee° slomo, zoom at will, third party view - sounds sooo cool!)

Jan Poolen - - Parent

Yes, fun question. I remember it vividly.
First time I dreamed of flashing 7 clubs under the low ceilling at the place where I used to take breaks while juggling at the squash courts.
Second time I dreamed doing exactly 50 catches of 9 balls and being really content about my achievment(maybe one day I will really do it, and be satisfied in real life )
Third time, I did 5 connected db97531's with balls while sitting down on a chair.
Sweet dreams

7b_wizard - - Parent

So cool! Amazing. Did you also feel the juggling in your hands or just rather like watched yourself do it?

Marvin - - Parent

This competition has now ended with 11 votes cast. The results are:

  1.   Yes. Often or sometimes and with clear memory of it. (2 votes)
  2.   Yes, often or sometimes, but memory is dim or I forget soon or right after after waking up. (0 votes)
  3.   Yes, once or twice. Clearly. (2 votes)
  4.   Yes, once or twice. Dimly. (1 vote)
  5.   Not really - only single throws and catches. Or only throws to drops. Or only slightly very shortly losing physical contact to the prop before catching it again rightaway. (1 vote)
  6.   I think so, but I'm not sure 'cos the memory of it is dim and nebulous or mixed up. (1 vote)
  7.   I dream of conventions or of meetings or of folks or of being in a gym or of any juggling setup or of being onstage or of having an audience or of having my props with me and in reach and getting ready, but astonishingly never do or can't manage to actually really toss and really juggle one single throw. (1 vote)
  8.   Could have been possible, can't exclude, might have, but any corresponding memory is too dim and nebulous to really tell. Rather not. (0 votes)
  9.   Definitely, not that I know. No memory of the kind. Nowhere near. (3 votes)
  10.   [ other ] (0 votes)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Yeah Marvin, you did the thing!

7b_wizard - - Parent

[ #dreaming #visualizing ]
Had one clear dream now too: with 4 or 5 big green bell peppers [ surely due to a current fruit-prop thread on reddit and me recently buying much bigger than usual single unpacked big green peppers (not three of mixed colors, packed) ].
[Makes my vote for "7", now a "3", makes it overall 6 in 11 Dreamers, 2 Maybies, 3 Non-Dreamers].
I could remember it clearly right after I woke up during it, and clearly reminisc parts of it. But alas already can't remember it well anymore, now.
Mostly snapped-in fluent pattern, little to no correcting, no effort felt. Not sure anymore if it felt overwhelming (maybe that a bit too) or rather like a normal thing to do (rather that). Now, which pattern? - memory is mixed now: I think a clear rather big clean 5b cascade. But also I have some gaps or holds and 4b juggling in mind, maybe a 4b-7707700 [inspired by Giuli's 1-7 ball Sevens?] or 552. Those veggies didn't handle clunkily as they should've with their stems and not round, but always just the way you usually grasp them, or near like how I imagine larger stage balls would too [I've been wanting to use larger balls for 7b for a while].
Again very dim memory only of where it took place, I think on some lawn in a park with people around.
Nice mind-candy, more than welcome.

It's Him -

So tomorrow is MKJC8. It looks like it might be fairly miserable driving there but that it will be brightening early afternoon and dry for the rest of the day/night.

The convention starts at 10 am with workshops starting at 11 am. I'm going to be running an intermediate old school one diabolo workshop that concentrates on knots and around the arm/leg moves. Anyone who is old enough will probably remember all these tricks but hopefully someone will get something from it.

The catering from previous years (apart from last year) will be back again.

Games will be at 4 pm and as I have read that Jon Peat will not be there this year other people have a chance at the endurance events.

The show will be approximately 7 pm - 9pm and the line-up (not in order) includes:

Matthew Green,

Concrete Circus,

The Void,

Georgie Price,

Jules Cooke,

Matt Hennem,

Brook and Becky

and Matt the Devil Sticker from Corby (sorry don't currently know his surname)

The compere would like to be known as Stevie Vegas.

I hope to see as many of you as possible and as I have very few things to do during the day I also hope to actually enjoy the convention.

Nigel

#MKJC8

The Void - - Parent

I had fun yesterday. Got there probably too early, but lots of time for chatting, mooching about and drinking coffee with friends. I even played a little kendama. It was good fun being in the show (thanks for the nice comments, those who gave them), and I really enjoyed seeing Brook & Becky's act that I'd heard good things of, and meeting up with my old friend Matt Hennem, and seeing him do his wiggly thing again. :-) Mucking about with Greeny in the curtain call was top silly fun too.
I was very confused by Matt asking me which day I'd arrived on. Apparently, if you're not careful, you can misconstrue "MKJC8 - 11th November" as "MJKC, 8-11 November". LOL.
Cheers to all the MKJC crew.
https://tlmb.net/galleries/MKJC2017/

It's Him - - Parent

Glad you enjoyed it. It was good to see your act again. When I go through my photos tomorrow I hope I will have got some of the faces you pulled in the show. it's a shame that we didn't have Jon Peat there to write a review I wonder if anyone else will do it.

Nigel

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

eJuggle happily posts fest reviews from others besides Jon. Be in touch with me to contribute to eJuggle.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Void pulls faces?

It's Him - - Parent

I put 3 photos on this page to give you an idea https://www.facebook.com/events/125838554740265/ I apologise for the quality of the photos, these are cropped from slightly less poor quality photos but I wasn't really concentrating on the photography as I only really wanted one photo per act for the DVD cover. As it is I didn't get one for Concrete Circus being peripherally involved with the act.

Nigel

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thank you for taking me serious.

It's Him - - Parent

I always take everything to do with The Void seriously! :-)

Nigel

It's Him -

Congratulations to the Void!

I have just read on a Facebook post from Donald Grant that he has passed his 6th Dan Kendama exam. this is the highest level and he has become the first ever non-Japanese to manage it. I know that he has had several attempts beforehand and that it had proved elusive even though all the individual skills were doable. So many congratulations on his perseverance.

Nigel

It's Him - - Parent

Apologies for the uncapitalised 't' at the start of a sentence. Just goes to show I should read my posts more thoroughly before hitting the post button.

Nigel

The Void - - Parent

Thank you, Nigel. I'll even forgive you the "t".

I wrote a Twitter thread about it, that starts here:
Today I became the first non-Japanese player to pass the highest grade of 6th Dan in kendama. It's the hardest thing I've ever done. 1/- pic.twitter.com/SdzusdcqQn
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) October 14, 2017

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

Mazal tov from Israel.

lukeburrage - - Parent

This is really cool. Congrats.

Is there an easy to read list of the tricks you needed to do, with video links?

Thanar - - Parent

I don't know enough about kendama to be sure, but this video claims to show all the tricks for 6th Dan in kendama: https://youtu.be/Yx47Uh6OfQo

The Void - - Parent

Hi Luke,
Thank you.
https://kendama.co.uk/tricks.html lists them all, with gifs, if that will do you. Right hand column of the Advanced/Dan table will show you how many of each one I had to do successfully in 10 attempts. (Plus, of course, having previously done all the stuff to get to 5th Dan, and then wait a year before being allowed to try.)

lukeburrage - - Parent

Yes, the list is good and the rules are clear. The gifs make my eyes bleed though, so the video was highly appreciated.

The Void - - Parent

If you want to read the long* story, it’s at https://kendama.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3098.msg29896.html#msg29896 (after the tweets).

* Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Orinoco - - Parent

That was a great read thank you. The story is always much more interesting than just the bare facts. All the more satisfying to learn that your achievement was in spite of sub-optimal conditions.


* As ever I disagree with the insinuation that 'long' equals 'bad'.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Well done Void! First in the world is a helluva thing!

I enjoyed the 'long' read.

The Void - - Parent

Thank you. But it's far from "first in the world". There are ~30-40 extant Japanese 6th Dan players. But I'll take it. :-)

bad1dobby - - Parent

Yes, fair point. I actually meant first non-Japanese in the world, as per OP, but now you've got me thinking about it I see that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

How about this: Congrats Void! Approximately 41st in the world is a helluva thing!

The Void - - Parent

I'll take it! :-)

7b_wizard - - Parent

I go along with that.
On foreign terrain it's so much the better an achievement as the natives always have an edge or two with a long tradition an' all on their side. On a side note, as a halfway decent chess player (over 50% on club level), I had been into Chinese Chess, Xiangqi, for a while, and the natives (real-life and online play) gave me a hard time to even win one game and leave rookie level, while I could win games against germans or other longnoses. However.
Congrats, The Void!

Kelhoon - - Parent

Congrats Void, well done

Monte - - Parent

Well done mate. I didn't even know you were trying again this year. Is that it now or can you go even higher?

The Void - - Parent

Cheers. It's the tops, it's the Colosseum. :)

JonPeat -

Camvention 2017 - Review

Thank you for running another excellent convention, Camvention! :-D

I have written a review and I know some of you are excited to read it. Unfortunately, it will not be posted online till Wednesday this week due to delays on the IJA side of the pond.

JonPeat - - Parent

... interestingly a copied and pasted emoji from Facebook meant the rest of message was not posted...

Here it is:

Thank you for running another excellent convention, Camvention! :-D

I have written a review and I know some of you are excited to read it. Unfortunately, it will not be posted online till Wednesday this week due to delays on the IJA side of the pond. (sad emoji face with a little tear on its sad face)

If you keep an eye on this page you may get the first glimpse when it does come online: https://www.juggle.org/category/ejuggle-festival-reviews/

I will re-post with a direct link when it does become available. :-)

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

https://www.juggle.org/camvention-2017-cambridge-juggling-convention-review-uk/

Delays were on the IJA side of the Mediterranean.

-Scott

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