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_Tommy -

Opinions Please!

When is a good time to start learning 6/7 Balls ?

What do you think is a good proficiency level to achieve for 5 balls before moving onto higher numbers.
I.e Number of catches, height of pattern, confidence ect?

I am learning to juggle 5 ball cascade I have been for a couple months now.
My personal best about 70 catches at the time of writing this, (will record and check this weekend).
When I get going on a good session about 30-40 catches average for the runs.

Do you think I should try learning; 3 in one hand in each hand, 3 ball snake ect and other pre-requisites whilst learning 5, or just go for it with 6/7?

Any advise would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

-Tommy

7b_wizard - - Parent

Can't tell for 6b, 3 in one hand, just for 7b:
first thing will be to get used to the additional balls in hands at launch; that can make sense already when you get 5b runs of like 30-50 catches ( which I believe is a first level of running 5b before new hurdles appear like drifts, twists, bad posture, smoother technique that you need for enduring longer ); but you can't yet expect to get longer runs of 7b, much over a flash, before you don't with 5b feel comfortable also at 7b-height and 7b's speed.

I'd say, just try out how good you're doing with 6b and-or 7b - if you're mainly failing and dropping and losing time picking up drops and don't get into any practise rhythm that feels like getting you somewhere -> go back to rather invest that time into controlling 5b better in all kinds of simple variations of height, width, speed, moving with the pattern, short dwelltime, higher handspeed and alike. A (`the´) relevant vid for systematic practise is here: http://juggling.tv/16767. For 6b, that would then be doing those exercises with the fountain with 4b. The more you feel that you're actually really improving with more ball(s), the more investing more time into it makes sense and is then more fun and feels better.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Oh, forgot, .. if you're familiar with and feel comfortable doing siteswaps and don't mind doing with gaps (0-s) and holds (2-s) and fast hand to hand passes (1-s, Ones), aaahnd don't mind doing in a `broken´ rhythm, then a just as good an approach is to train siteswaps with consecutive 6-s, resp. 7-s, in them, like 5b-77722, 5b-771, 5b-7733, 5b-66661, 6b-77772 or alike ( cf. http://jugglesensei.net/SiteswapFun1.htm ).

_Tommy - - Parent

Thank you very much for your response, 7B_Wizard

Firstly I think you have summarized it very well in terms of the drifting and twisting, I am just getting used to wrangling it under control, which is very Satisfying! And I now see how being able to maintain the pattern with clean lengthy runs over time seems to be the best method to preparing for 7.

I'll try some runs of 6/7 this week and continue working on the height and "simple variations of height, width, speed, moving with the pattern, short dwelltime, higher handspeed and alike". That is extremely helpful, and a great way of putting it.

I definitely agree with putting in more time when you feel it paying off, my 4 ball has gotten much better recently since my in air awareness with 5 has gone up and everything in general is slowing down in the air and collisions are less common.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thank  y o u  for giving the opportunity to - unlike in this very sentence right now - say something useful   :o}     ( = You're welcome, great, it helped! )

No, serious, wrangling it under control, which is very Satisfying! .. yeah, the difference between being chased about the place by your pattern and putting it where you want to.

Jus' one more idea .. it might or might not help to use smaller balls to start with higher amounts (unless these slip through your fingers).

_Tommy - - Parent

Additionally in response to your sideswap assistance, I have been doing basic sideswap patterns but will have to give the ones mentioned ago, they look like great fun!

In regards to the balls,I have been using a mixture of Juggle Dream Pro Sport 120g, and Silx Light (120g) 78mm balls.

I think that the juggle dream help with getting longer runs, and recoveries and controlling the pattern, which I only use inside.
Juggling 5 balls with the silx light balls helps for well scooped throws and better arches crossing in the air and consistent timing, and they look much better, and as I practice outside alot, they are my go to as I live in a rainy country.

I have found that warming up with the bags and then moving onto the balls works really well for me, when I feel the pattern sinking in.

Your advise is very much appreciated

-Kind regards
-Tommy

Mats1 - - Parent

IMO:
For 6 balls, you want to be able to run 3 in one hand, in your worst hand, for ~15 or more catches at best before you start learning the fountain (remember, scoop!).
For 7 balls, I think you need to be over 100 catches of 5 balls before you start work on 7 (5 balls is not really under any proper amount of control before you break 100 catches).

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Matts,

Thank you for your response, apologies for the delay.

I think that the numbers you have set out are very reasonable and I really like the Scoop Imagery!

I think i'll put learning 7 ball back on the shelf for a bit, and learn more of the pre-requisites, and spend lots of time on 3 in one hand!

Kind regards
-Tommy

Orinoco - - Parent

Several years ago I think it was Haggis Mcleod who used to recommend starting to learn 5 clubs as soon as possible purely because it took so long to learn which I think is as good a reason as any. The sooner you learn a skill the sooner you can enjoy using it.

Instead of thinking about whether to start learning something, can you think of any reason that starting to learn it would be detrimental to you?

You don't need permission to start learning a new skill, if you think it is fun just get to it!

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Orinoco

Thank you for your insight,

I like the mentality of getting the ball rolling, however slowly.

Now that I have 7 Juggle dream balls, I will try doing some 7 ball flashes every now and then! In addition with lots of sideswap techniques that 7B_Wizard recommended. But leave the serious practice until I get a little better with 5.

And get 2 more Px3's for the 5 club cascade, however far ahead it is!

Kind regards

-Tommy

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

It's too early to start training with 6 and 7. You can maximize your learning rate by training with 2,3,4, and 5 balls. It's okay to give 7 balls a try, but don't spend too much time on it.

Please record more records, so that it is easier for others to see your skill level.

_Tommy - - Parent

Hi Stephen

Thanks for your advice,

I will be concentrating on sideswaps and some different 4 and 5 ball tempo/ height variations ect.
Giving 7 ball flashes a try every now and then after warming up and going back to 5 to slow the pattern down even more.

I will upload some more records over the next few weeks to give users an idea of my skill level.

Many thanks
-Tommy

Cedric Lackpot -

Urbex/spelunking - a look around an abandoned Soviet-era circus theatre in Chisinau, Moldova.

http://www.thebohemianblog.com/2013/11/urban-exploration-abandoned-soviet-circus.html

And what a grand building it is. I have a feeling I recognise it, possibly from the film called Inside The Soviet Circus or something similar, but I think that was made just before this building was erected. Or maybe I've just seen this article before. Whatever it is, that looks a pretty impressive edifice in which to celebrate the circus arts.

And for those of you too blunted to read through the entire article, here's a link to some pictures of the place when it was still in use submitted by a local.

Bon appétit.

Little Paul - - Parent

It feels familiar to me as well, but not so familiar that I’m certain I’ve seen it before.

Really does make me wish I could have seen a show there when it was at its peak though. Must have been a really interesting atmosphere.

Orinoco - - Parent

We have indeed seen them before.

Mats1 - - Parent

Interesting.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seem that during 1920 to 1960 the primary big circus animal in American Circuses was the elephant, while in Russian Circuses it was the bear.

Ethics aside, using each type of animal has it's unique advantages and disadvantages. Which factors drove American circuses to choose elephants, while Russian circuses choose bears?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I'm going to guess that P.T. Barnum had a hand in popularising elephants in North America, since he made Jumbo internationally famous. And likewise the bear has been a symbol of Russian-ness for a very long time, has it not?

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Bears don't take up much space or eat much. But they're a bit boring, not very impressive - the poor man's elephant. Also, bears aren't very intelligent and can't really stick up for themselves. Remember Nellie.. left the circus and even made the effort to say goodbye. Now that's a classy beast.

Mïark - - Parent

Bears need feeding pots of honey, whereas the capitalist north americans will have realised that they can sell the bags of peanuts to the public to feed to the elephants.

Bears are better as they can ride bicycles, while elephants have to drive cars.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Elephants can ride bicycles but bears can't drive cars.

Adam Hellman -

So I am am a 15 year old juggler and at an event a farmer mentioned to me about how he had a fall festival and how I could entertain the guests. I'm still learning about the opportunity it would be my first time performing for anyone, I think he wants me to just walk around juggling(and unicycling) to entertain people waiting in lines and stuff. I'm not sure if I want to take the opportunity because the festival is on September 30th and I am no where near ready to perform for more than 5 mins max. I can juggle clubs but I got them like a week ago so I'm not very good at many tricks I can do some 3 ball and 4 ball tricks. I can get up to 40 catches of 5 balls but my average is probably like 15 so if I do take the opportunity should I spend a lot of time learning 5 or focus on 3 and 4 ball tricks for the next 14 days. I don't even know if I should do it because I don't want to keep dropping every 30 seconds. Let me know if you have any tips or suggestions for performing or if I should even do it. You can see my exact skill level on Instagram my account is @hellman_juggling
Thanks for any tips you can give me

Adam Hellman - - Parent

Also I forgot to mention how much do you think I should try to charge for this

TreePine - - Parent

0.00 juggling should be a free sport that you show for the fun of it!

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Why?

TreePine - - Parent

it's a sport to enjoy not charge!

charlieh - - Parent

Juggling isn't a sport.

Little Paul - - Parent

If it’s not a sport what is it? An Art?

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

For me, it's always been much more of an art than a sport. Nothing wrong with some healthy competitiveness though.

Orinoco - - Parent

Well juggling does not feed on organic matter, or have any sense organs to respond to stimuli so it is definitely not an animal.

Juggling does not absorb water & photosynthesises so it is not a plant either.

To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes, If you eliminate all impossibilities then whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Therefore the only conclusion is that juggling is a mineral.

Little Paul - - Parent

Best answer ever

The Void - - Parent

Jugglerite?

charlieh - - Parent

Yes! You can certainly refine it :)

Mike Moore - - Parent

10/10

7b_wizard - - Parent

Or, nowadays, it could then also be an internet.

Monte - - Parent

Juggling is,
highly addictive
encouraged by peer pressure
likely to make you giggle in public parks


Therefore juggling is a drug

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Free at the point of use, yes; free as in lunch, no, not unless you choose to. Performing to people who get to see you for nothing is splendid; doing so when you get nothing, not so much.

Adam, you should probably choose a nominal sum, say fifteen bucks. This is enough to make sure that your farmer realises that you value your time and effort, and perhaps he should too, but so little that no one can really complain about gouging or whatever. Some of my first gigs were at that sort of price point.

A few years down the line when you know what you're doing that'll be three or four or five hundred dollars. And if (if!!) you reach the levels of Anthony Gatto or The Passing Zone you'll be looking at four or even five digits per appearance.

Good luck. And whatever you do, enjoy yourself, and be sure to show everyone how much fun you're having, it'll rub off on them.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Being a walkabout performer at an event is more about having a nice costume and being a fun and approachable person than about having loads of material. You can probably get away with just a 3b cascade for hours on end, I mean stiltwalkers get away with just walking and they seem to do fine!

If you're interested and excited about performing, do it, no matter what he is able to pay you. If he has some budget, you can ask for something between 10-50, but better ask him what he had in mind. Or even better perhaps make him pay for your costume and leave it at that!! The less you ask, the less you need to stress about your abilities n stuff.

Make sure you agree to do sets of no longer than 3 minutes, 3 or 4 times max during the whole event. And enjoy it!

Good luck

Adam Hellman - - Parent

About the costume I don't think I have anything, what type of costumes do you think would work?

mike.armstrong - - Parent

First you should confirm what he wants and whether you want to do that!
Then, if your assumptions are correct, you should probably spend the next 14 days ignoring new tricks and writing a couple of 1-2 minute routines that are engaging and interesting (and preferably funny) so that you can approach people, ask them if you can show them something, deliver a bit that you know and trust and leave them happy and entertained. Don't steal whole routines from other jugglers (or YouTube), but using ideas from lots of sources counts as "research", not "stealing" ;o)
The costume probably depends on the material. What sort of farm is it? Does he grow, for example, apples that you could juggle? Could you pull off a comedy-farm-worker character? If not you just need something a little out of the ordinary to show that you're supposed to be there entertaining them and you're not just a punter with some props...

Dee - - Parent

This is excellent, practical advice.

Little Paul - - Parent

Don’t overthink the “costume” *all* you’re aiming for is something that makes you look like you’re not an audience member. If it’s your first gig, you don’t need to overthink character either. Go simple!

The rest is solid, sound advice but misses one simple thing out.

Remember to try and have fun!

If it’s fun, it’ll show! If it’s fun you’ll do it again. If you do it again you’ll get better! If you get better at performing you’ll have more fun!

Never forget, that no matter what your juggling skill level, you are more skilled at it than the vast majority of your audience!

TreePine -

Shower sucks don't learn shower if you are a noob this will probably set your juggling skill back by 7 hours as once you have mastered 2 ball shower (10 catches or more) then sucks you have to learn cascade good notice to beginners!

Mike Moore - - Parent

Preach on, brother/sister!

Monte - - Parent

Damn. First pattern I learned was the shower.
I always wondered what kept my juggling back.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Did you learn the shower in both directions before learning cascade?
I wonder has anyone ever learned box (or any other pattern) as their very first?

Monte - - Parent

No I taught myself to shower leading with my right hand (took one night, about 6 hours) the following morning someone explained the cascade to me and I learnt it in about 10 minutes

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

That's quick for both, much more so than me anyway. Are you left handed? I was wondering if your shower throw was the practice for your weaker side of the cascade.

Monte - - Parent

No I'm right handed.
I taught myself the shower because I didn't know any other pattern.
Same when I learned 4 clubs in singles, I just assumed that doing it in doubles was harder.
There were no internet tutorials back then and I didn't have a computer anyway...

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Interesting. So what did you learn after the cascade? Shower the other side?

Monte - - Parent

I think it was dropping one ball then kicking it back into the pattern.

Orinoco - - Parent

7 hours isn't much of a hardship!

But yes, a 2 ball shower is a hard habit to break for someone just starting out in juggling that isn't used to breaking habits.

A non-juggler sees a juggler with 3 balls running continuous patterns. Naturally the beginner who can't do 3, will try 2 balls & the 2 ball shower is the natural choice because it is more of a rolling pattern whereas the 2 ball exchange has a beginning, a pause & an end. I wonder if you only performed stop-start/claymotion style tricks to an absolute beginner would they be less inclined to instinctively gravitate to a 2 ball shower?

& welcome to the Edge!

Stephen Meschke -

Guide to Juggling Patterns.

It has come to my attention that the copy of Ben Beever's Guide to Juggling Patterns hosted on the jugglingedge.com here, is a shortened online version of the book.

There exists a full version of the book that is 7 pages longer, with easier to read font and better resolution images. This full version is considerably easier to read.

This book is neither in print nor available for download from authorized sources. Has this work fallen into the public domain? If so, could the version hosted on the jugglingedge.com be changed from the online version to the full version?

Orinoco - - Parent

Hmm, apparently so... I've just found the better copy I believe you are referring to & updated the file in the Edge's pdf folder. Thanks for letting me know.

Ben was happy for his book to be distributed for free on the IJDb & other websites. The pdf that I had was widely shared on usenet too. I really don't think Ben would have a problem with this file being shared.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Excellent! That version looks much better. Thank you.

pumpkineater23 -

On the beach, a couple of weeks back, I taught a couple of kids to juggle. One of them gave up after a couple of minutes but the other was throwing 2 ball cascades after only four/five tries. He was juggling 3b cascade in about 15 mins! It was such a nice experience for both of us. As he left with his family I gave him three of my juggling balls.

The Void - - Parent

:-D

7b_wizard - - Parent

I second this answer.

Terix - - Parent

That is a talented kid)) What balls did you give him?)

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Sil-X, not my newest ones.

Orinoco - - Parent

I wanted to start a new thread about how I met a juggler on the beach, passed myself off as a muggle & scored a free set of juggling balls. Sadly it has been a very long time since I was last able to pass myself off as a kid.

Good for you for giving him the juggling balls. That was a lovely gesture.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

When someone's that into it and so quick to learn, I couldn't let him leave without some balls to continue. He's probably already a better juggler than me.

Mats1 - - Parent

Relatedly, if you're interested in fast learners... I have taught hundreds of people to juggle (maybe >1000) and the (by far) two fastest learners I have seen in juggling both turned out to be tennis coaches!

Mike Moore - - Parent

I learned at a tennis camp, from my coach. And then coached tennis! I find that hockey players tend to do well, too.

Mats1 - - Parent

I had a similar experience with someone liking diabolo last week and sent them away with a spare diabolo.
Fortunately, their parents are an acquaintance and so I will likely get a progress report at some point next year. Hopefully they stick with it!

Guili - - Parent

this is one of the great experiencies that "social juggling" brings us.
I had the fortune to be that kid once.. well, not so young, but I was 18 and met an older girl that was juggling with 3 clubs, i aproached her, she tought me the basics, and then she gave me her clubs!
I also had the rewarding feeling of teaching many people how to juggle, and giving a set of balls to a kid that was learning really well.
it felt like closing the circle, you know.. giving back to life what i've received.

JonPeat -

CATCH 2018 – The Cumbrian Juggling Convention (UK)

Hi Everyone,

I went along to CATCH, it was great, you can read about my menu choices (and other less relevant things) here:
https://www.juggle.org/catch-2018-cumbrian-juggling-convention-uk/

Cheers, Jon

DavidCain - - Parent

Thanks for the kind words about my show, the Old Skool Panel, and my promo quote!
David Cain

charlieh - - Parent

Great review Jon (as ever).

Thanks for the mention of Jamie & I's contraption, after learning much from this prototype Jamie will be attempting to build a new, self-contained version that is more likely to be possible for normal human beings...we will also try and build some more things at some point, it's fun.

For those of you who didn't make it to Catch (and there were only a couple of hundred of us there) you unfortunately managed to miss one of the best conventions I've ever been to. Shows galore of extremely high quality; extra events like the Old School and Juggling History show that were fantastic for those of us interested in juggling history and anecdotes (holding Cinquevalli's cannon ball was a particular highlight, as was chatting over beers with Kris Kremo); flawless organisation and ability to work around things outside one's control by Rosie, her family and friends; Monte's food of course (although sadly we didn't get a chance to eat much of it due to moany children); friends galore; a library full of books and comics for our two (I think they spent at least a few hours in there every day while we could get on with other things), all surrounded by amazing places to visit (during the week we climbed a hill, swam in a Lake, jumped off waterfalls, visited Hadrian's Wall and enjoyed Appleby itself, including watching The Greatest Showman in a pop-up cinema in town.

Rosie of course should be congratulated and thanks to everyone else who worked so hard. Nice one!

Rosie - - Parent

thanks everyone *blushes*

It was pretty fun wasnt it!


#catch18

#catch20 .........????

Monte - - Parent

I only got home a few days ago. I managed to squeeze in 23 castles, two Roman forts, Hadrian's wall, two stone circles, two henges and a 12th century priory.
Plus a 60' working Trebuchet.

Mïark - - Parent

hashtag #catch2018

The Void - - Parent

Nice review, as ever, Jon, thanks.
It was not Rob's first time compèring. Although I heard other people saying it was, so perhaps he had been.... ahem... fostering that illusion for sympathy? *showbiz!*
I emailed you not long after the convention, by the way. Check your spam folder, or email me if you didn't get it. Or reply if you did, please.
Cheers!

Little Paul - - Parent

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

I'm SO annoyed!

I've just found my copy of the Kris Kremo book, the book that I tried to find before catch. I wanted to bring it along for Kris to sign, but couldn't find it so I had assumed I was mistaken in thinking I had a copy.

The bloody thing was on the wrong bookshelf, it was in with my gardening books not with the juggling books for some inexplicable reason.

So I guess - "Yay! I do own a copy" but "Boooo! It's not a signed copy"

Orinoco - - Parent

Also: "Yay, you're going to have to meet Kris again!"

The Void -

A quick bit of Kremo for you:
http://juggling.tv/16928
#Catch2018

Mats1 - - Parent

Nice!

Orinoco - - Parent

Legend!

Orinoco - - Parent

Although smoking is not big or clever kids.

Rosie - - Parent

haha! love this!

#catch18

Sergei -

Are there good coaches (teachers) in Juggling? I am beginner is Juggling with 7 mo experience and the advice I most freguently got from obviously advanced guys sounds like "Keep practicing" )) I am pretty good coach in Karate (4 degree black belt) and Chess (International Master in Blitz) and to my non-humble opinion advice like "keep doing" is total disaster. Even pretty good tutorials lack extremely important thing, that is transition from preliminary exercises to full patters. Niel's video on 3 b Box is typical example of BAD tutorial because it is very superficial. From the other side Niel's video on "W" pattern is very GOOD )) So I repeat my question : are there GOOD teachers in Jugging World ?

Terix - - Parent

Box is quite difficult trick when you just start with it, so it isn´t easy to describe it and teach it, especially on the video. It is much easier to teach somebody something in real life because you can see mistakes and errors and give advices. When I have workshops, I am able to teach people to juggle at least 3 balls if they really want and try, but it is just because I see how did they try to juggle. If they just write me why I can´t learn it, I have no idea what is their problem. Maybe it would be much better for you to make a video of your box attempts so we could give you better advice)
It is also a question who is a good teacher - because it is not only in the teacher but also a client or student has to try and have a motivation to do it)

Sergei - - Parent

what I mean GOOD coaching is helping the client to go through several easy understandable steps as I can explain "Ura-mawashi-geri" that is pretty complicated karate kick. And I am 100% sure I can teach everyone not depending age, sex, or religious affiliation )) I have got the advice here to try 441 and the first preliminary 2b exercise was very useful to improve my juggling "feeling" as a whole. I guess I have my own way in this art ))

Terix - - Parent

I do karate too, so I know^^ Wish you a good luck with the box and glad tvar that my advice helped a little

Mike Moore - - Parent

Richard Kennison and Yuri (from Russia) come to mind as two legendary juggling coaches.

I'd like to think my tutorial videos are reasonably good. Here's one on siteswap that I made about siteswap: https://youtu.be/rWQXOHn3sw8 It's a little old, and will probably someday get wrecked by Youtube changing how annotations work, but it did teach my non-juggling grandmother siteswap!

The transition from exercises to full pattern is an interesting point. I recall Ivan Pecel's DVD Advanced 4 and 5 Ball Moves pretty much always ending with "and now that you have done it on either side, run it" which often worked okay for me. I can think of some examples when running the pattern introduces problems that flashing did not: with 645 with the 6s as fountains, make sure you keep those 6s rolling out far enough to not cause collisions. What are the problems you're running into in the particular tutorials you're watching? Do you think there are generalizable difficulties across patterns?

Back in 2011 I made a list of attributes of good vs bad tutorials. Finding it now would be a nightmare, but I'll be redoing some of that research because I'm going to be involved in the IJA making some tutorials soon (I hope!). Maybe I'll start a new thread for it.

Mike Moore - - Parent

"Here's one on siteswap that I made about siteswap"

Great proofreading, Mike! Still a bit drained from the IJA.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Of course there are good teachers! But YouTube is not necessarily the best medium for good teaching...

I'm sure I could teach you the box if we met in person... Also I'm a fan of the methodology of Craig Quat, he explains some of it on vimeo and is now training teachers all over Europe.

On a higher level, I have interviewed juggling teachers such as Jay Gilligan, Sakari Mannisto and Gregor Kiock, if you look up Juggle Jabber on YouTube you'll find them. I would say they are good teachers, although they don't really discuss the subject of learning single 3b tricks such as the box...

Sergei - - Parent

Craig Quat - good idea running balls. I was doing it on inclined surface, but using lines will be much better for stability. I guess I can build Craig's board myself. Now I am pretty sure I will learn Box and 4 balls stuff in nearest 6 months. Thanks a lot!

Mats1 - - Parent

There are good teachers out there. I think the best thing is if you can get to a juggling club or juggling conventions and there you will often find very helpful, knowledgeable people who will gladly help out your juggling (and they are usually pretty good).
I think what can lead to huge progress in juggling is to progress as quickly as possible to 5 ball juggling and to learn siteswap notation. With siteswap notation learnt, you will have the ability to put patterns into freely and widely available simulators and watch them in slow-mo at various heights and speeds, hugely helpful. With 5 ball juggling learnt, you will have the fundamentals of juggling down. I don't know what your current juggling level is? But I would advise to try to go through 4 & 5 ball juggling until you are making 100+ catch runs of 5 balls (or around 25+ seconds), at which point, you will have a level of control sufficient for numerous tricks.
I have spent ~10 years teaching circus skills, including juggling and can help you out if I know your level.

Sergei - - Parent

Thanks for the comments. I seriously doubt you will teach me, the 67 old guy, who started juggling 7 months ago ))) selfteaching with no juggling club or convention. I am just at the beginning level haveing 3 b cascade, reverse, "W" over 100 catches plus stable 3b cascade in laying down position (because it is good for my old spine) Right shower up to 37 catches. I will be completely satisfied with stable LEFT shower + stable Box )))

Mats1 - - Parent

If you will be happy with box, then it will not be too hard. It will also be worth learning some other tricks other than just focusing on shower & box, to improve your throwing, catching and understanding of juggling in general. It might be a less painful path to left hand shower and box in that case. Usual beginner tricks are:

441: https://youtu.be/2jmL-T1IdSY <-- This guy does good tutorials. Unfortunately, mostly for the intermediate 3 ball juggler
Two in one hand: https://youtu.be/_LZKSyhj__g?start=216
Tennis: https://youtu.be/XPILocujjqQ
Windmill: https://youtu.be/cSMkfVuV5hM

I think the first two should also fairly directly help your box, whereas tennis and windmill, while improving your overall ability, will not focus as hard on exactly what box and LH shower need. 441 helps you learn the '1' throw in both directions, crucial for box. Two in one hand, particularly in your left hand, will improve your speed & accuracy in the weaker hand perhaps more than anything else you could practice at this stage.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Have you considered a program like this one? Its an affordable way to get high quality coaching advice. Along with instructional videos, Juggling Mastery students are granted access to a private Facebook page, where the instructor (Lauri) is consistantly answering questions and doing live video calls.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Here's an interesting article with interviews with Dan Holzman, Jay Gilligan, Richard Kennison and Paul Arneberg, "Juggling Coaches", by Scott Cain on IJA's juggle.org.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[ #teaching #teachers #box ]

Orinoco - - Parent

I've attended classes with many great teachers, I'm thinking of Sean Gandini, Jay Gilligan, Wes Peden & Matt Hall in particular. In each case what made them great for me was their individual enthusiasm & their ability to open my eyes to new possibilities & ideas. The teaching in terms of breaking down the mechanics of individual tricks was not important to me.

I would guess that the vast majority of jugglers I know are mostly self taught like me. I think there is an expectation in the juggling world that you should develop your own unique style which shuns rigid coaching. If I want to learn a new trick I will always want to figure it out my own way of doing it partly due to a desire to be unique, partly because I enjoy figuring things out on my own & partly due to simple arrogance. I don't think I'm alone in this which I believe explains why there aren't many juggling coaches to choose from.

Anthony Gatto & Jason Garfield have tried & failed to make a go of the professional juggling coach to hobby jugglers (as opposed to circus school teachers which I think is a different thing entirely) in the style of music/dance/martial arts instructors that exist everywhere. Anthony Trahir seems to be doing ok for himself, as does Lauri Koskinen (who is a new name to me), I wish them both success.

I vaguely recall Erin Stephens(?) who put out a video which was a good example of effective coaching. It showed the juggling of a group of young girls that she had trained, all of whom were very accomplished & had a style that clearly came from one instructor (eg. I recall a particular under the leg catch where the right hand goes inside the right leg & the ball is caught on the outside that many of the girls performed very well).

Jared Davis - - Parent

Anthony and Nick Gatto worked with a number of jugglers such as Gena Shvartsman Cristiani, C.J. Smith Jr., Mark Kolbusz, among others (I believe they worked with Francois Rochais too). I took a workshop led by Anthony and Nick at the IJA in 2003 (it was about 2 hours a day for 3 or 4 days).

At one point about ten years ago Anthony let people know that Nick was interested in coaching people, but he was retired at the time and it's not like he was trying to do it full time as a profession.

I don't think Anthony ever tried to coach juggling full time either. It was just something he was willing to do a little on the side.

Jared Davis - - Parent

Yes, there are many GOOD teachers in the juggling world. You already got some great advice in this thread.

I recommend posting your questions here, or on the reddit juggling forum (r/juggling).

If possible, upload videos of yourself to youtube. By seeing videos of your juggling we can give you better advice.

If at all possible, you should go to a juggling club and/or festival.

If you have any juggling questions, you can email me: jlouisdavis at gnail.com

Jared Davis - - Parent

That should read, "gmail.com" NOT "gnail.com".

(I couldn't find a way to modify my post.)

Orinoco -

Old school Flyer for the 1st Covent Garden Juggling Convention

https://jugglingedge.com/userfiles/Topper/1986CoventGardenJugglingConvention.jpg

Image acquired via Topper, via Stuart Ashman.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

That's spiffy Orinoco, nice find. I have a vague feeling I went to the second one, or something very similar.

Little Paul - - Parent

It sort of feels a bit like people used to put more effort into their flyers back then.

Orinoco - - Parent

It's also interesting how little information was conveyed. These days so many people want to know the schedule detailed down to the last minute, the name & biography of every performer, the full menu available etc. I do like the 'turn up, see what you find' vibe. When I first started going to BJCs all the information I had was a couple of paragraphs detailing the essentials in The Catch. I miss that.

Topper - - Parent

My first juggling convention.

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