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Hermit Of Masada -

hi guys! haven't posted in a while. 5b is going great, i don't know why did i put it off for so long. stopped using the log because my parameters are changing too fast (started marking every flash, than every 7 catch, than every qualify... but now i get 15c almost every time).
anyway, had some questions about silicone bounce balls.
a. would you say that bounce juggling is easier or harder than normal juggling? wanna know how long would a 5b cascade take me.
b. should i look for something specific? all i can get in Israel are play g-force, Mr. Babache turbo, and Mr. Babache silicone.
c. does real silicone worth the price? its about triple. its not that I'm on a budget, I'm just trying to figure out the lay of the land.
d. color. does it make a difference? it makes sense to me that no coloring would have a better bounce.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

> a. would you say that bounce juggling is easier or harder than normal juggling? wanna know how long would a 5b cascade take me.

Yes ... once you've got the hang of bounce juggling in general. There's a good reason it's easier - the floor does your timing for you, and it's much better at regular timing than feeble humans are.

> b. should i look for something specific? all i can get in Israel are play g-force, Mr. Babache turbo, and Mr. Babache silicone.

As with all props there's a shedload of personal preference. But it's also true to say that very, very few people regret buying sillies, although of course many regret paying for sillies.

> c. does real silicone worth the price? its about triple. its not that I'm on a budget, I'm just trying to figure out the lay of the land.

Yep, although I may be biased. To be clear, they do not have the highest return ratio, although they are generally pretty damn close to the best there are. What sets sillies apart is two things : 1. The behave soooo consistently, with beautifully regular bounce, and more importantly they really, really don't succumb to irregular or unpredictable bounce trajectories, so long as you are working on a decent surface. 2. They self clean, apart from on absolutely filthy surfaces.

> d. color. does it make a difference? it makes sense to me that no coloring would have a better bounce.

Again, personal preference. I have all yellow plus one pink, so I can use the pink one to simply catch counting. E.g. for 5b bounce I place the pink one amongst the three in my right hand, such that it will be the last ball of all five to leave my hand. Therefore I know that when I catch it again in my right hand, that's ten completed catches.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

> c. and reason 3: you can do the special effects with spin better with silicones than with any other ball

Hermit Of Masada - - Parent

thanks man, lots of info.
the question about the coloring was more of a mechanical question, somehow i thought that if you add coloring to a rubber/silicone ball the bounce isn't gonna be as good.

Little Paul - - Parent

Have you done any bounce juggling at all yet?

If yes (and you know you enjoy it), get the silicones, they’ll be lovely. If no (and you’re not sure if you’ll like it) get the g-force, they’ll be cheap and really very capable.

The most important thing about learning to bounce juggle is having an appetite for chasing the damn balls all over the room. If you don’t have that, it’s not worth investing in silicones as you won’t use them!

Hermit Of Masada - - Parent

i have tried bounce juggling before, but i didn't cover the depth of it. i can do a 3b casc, probably reverse, but haven't covered anything unique to bounce juggling.
so basically the age old rule of prop juggling, buy the cheapest if you're not sure about it ore the most expensive if you are.

Guili - - Parent

Bounce juggling may look easier, cause it's generally slower. I mean, juggle a 3b cascade "upwards" and "downwards" and you can notice (even hear) the difference in Pulse. But in my opinion the actual truth is that they are totally different props, so each one has different capabilities and requirements.
it's like saying playing piano it's easier than other instruments. the piano is really simply put. every note is there for you, you even have sharps and flats marked black! but... you demand a lot more from a piano, than from a tuba.
Here is the same. I guess 3 bounce cascade it's not hard... so, the bar is set higher.

Guili - - Parent

Also you should know about the 2 different ways to bounce a ball: Lift and Force.
in Lift mode you toss the ball just a little above the hand before it falls to the ground, then it bounces back to your hand.
Your hands could be facing up, or to the center. Juggling like this is slower, but harder to be accurate on each throw.
in Force mode you toss the ball straight TO the floor. Hands face down. Pulse is much faster, but is really a lot easier to aim each throw to make it bounce at the same point. (I actually made to little squares of tape on the floor, and I try to hit them with every throw. Sounds harder, but once you get it, helps a lot)

Hermit Of Masada - - Parent

i know about the two different styles of bounce juggling, i think I've tried both (don't you catch the same in both styles? hand up).
the piano analog really puts things in perspective! thanks!

Guili - - Parent

I'm actually learning bounce juggling too, so I don't know all about it, but i think with the force bounce you wait for the ball with your hand facing down because it's much faster and less work than spining your hand up and down to catch and throw.
(there's also hyper-lift and hyper-force, but I'm not sure how are those...)

Anyway, I recommend you to watch this guy, Alan Sulc bouncing. This video actually motivated me to take back my bounce juggling. :)

https://youtu.be/dAqgHePnvzI

jamesfrancis - - Parent

Bounce juggling is great fun and in my view considerably easier than toss juggling for the same number of balls.

It took me less than an hour to get my first 100 catches of a 5 ball lift cascade having never picked up a set of bounce balls before. At this stage I could already run 5b toss pretty well and consistently qualify 7b toss however. Whilst the skill set is not completely transferable, it definitely helps. Like for like i think 5b lift bounce is the same difficulty at 4b toss although this is highly contested at my local juggling club.

I learnt using a set of oddballs and then upgraded to silicones once i was really into bouncing and could justify the spend. When you are learning I don't think you would fine too much difference in performance and actually silicones usually bounce a little less high. It is only when you get a little bit better when the consistency and grip of silicones really does make a difference.

I bounce a lot of siteswaps so I like different colours to colour code the patterns. There isn't any difference in performance.

Good luck and enjoy. There are plenty of fun was to bounce juggle incorporating many different styles so make sure to explore. There are plenty of great video resources out there too for inspiration!

Hermit Of Masada - - Parent

one last question! are all sillies created equal? should i look for a specific brand? locally i can only get mr. babache and only one color that i don't like, so if i decide to get sillies instead of g-force i would have to ship them anyway.

Little Paul - - Parent

My knowledge is a little dated, as I haven't bought any silicones in the last 10 years - but http://www.siliconeballs.com are the milestone I still tend to judge all other silicones by

I did have some "budget" silicones at one point (I forget what the brand was) and two of them just split apart after a few weeks of use, so I'd avoid anything that looks suspiciously cheap.

Those that are currently active bounce jugglers will probably have better product knowledge than me.

 

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