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Mike Moore -

Fully inverted sprung cascade

The first of my endgame patterns. FINALLY got a qualify!!

Mats1 - - Parent

This is really nice. How hard is it to run for longer periods do you think? Is the jump from inverted box to this super insane, or just insane?

Mike Moore - - Parent

Oh man, SUPER insane for sure. In my opinion, inverted box is somewhere between 4.25-4.5 ball difficulty. Inverted sprung cascade is somewhere a little ~6.25 ball difficulty. Inverted sprung fountain ( is probably about 7b difficulty. I can't run fully inverted sprung cascade for long enough to give it a nice number like the others, but it's the only one among that group that I have to mentally really psych myself up for and can't follow in real-time. It's much harder than inverted sprung fountain.

Who knows, though. Maybe I went through the learning process of it poorly and other ways would knock down its difficulty considerably. And there's always the added difficulty of being the first to do it. It'll be easier to gauge its difficulty when a few more people can wrap their hands around it.

Mats1 - - Parent

I found inverted box is more like 4.75-5.0 difficulty!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Haha, amazing!

What do you mean by endgame patterns?

Mike Moore - - Parent


There is a pattern that I thought of at IJA 2013 that seemed so conceptually clear (but non-obvious) and disastrously difficult. ~4 years ago I realized that there would be three interesting stepping stone patterns along the way. They were all so far above my skill level at the time, and I'm still not convinced they're all doable by me, but I set the very long-term goal to run them all before retiring from juggling. I reckon I can probably make progress on them until my early-mid thirties (other parts of life permitting), so there's slight urgency.

Fully inverted sprung cascade (FISC) is the first of those four patterns! In my opinion, patterns 2 and 3 aren't as cool as FISC, but pattern 4 would be a dream. I don't want to expose the later three patterns just yet, sorry!

Mats1 - - Parent

4: I guess it's inverted 5 ball tennis. I also think you probably have at least until you're 40 to work on this stuff.

Mike Moore - - Parent

It would be nice to have until 40! Having injured myself a handful of times through juggling working on things like this, I'd be a bit surprised to make it to 40.

Can you tell me what you mean by inverted 5 ball tennis? Maybe Inverted sprung 5b cascade? (Which is not the 4th)

Mats1 - - Parent

Yes, inverted sprung 5b cascade. Do you think that's even possible at all?

And let's hope your practice can make it to 40 and beyond! It's always good to see a new trick from Mike Moore.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I think it's possible, yes. I would guess it's even possible for me, but it would be very finnicky with all that 5b in not much horizontal space. Maybe in a year or two!

My practice will probably still be happening at age 40! Just on tricks less physically demanding with handspeed.

The Void - - Parent

"I reckon I can probably make progress on them until my early-mid thirties"

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Amazing stuff Mike. It almost looks 'easy' in some kind of strange way. I can see there is almost no time to get from one throw to the next though, so it looks almost impossible too. You are truly pushing the boundaries!

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hah, I thought the same thing. Everything looks so simple, what's the problem??



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