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Rosie -

Happy World Juggling Day everybody!

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Happy World Juggling Day! Link to Juggling Mastery World Juggling Day Video.

Orinoco -

Posting a link to a Tweet on the Edge now makes auto-embedding magic happen.

"Citing a quotation doesn't necessarily make it true or interesting." - The Void.
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) October 21, 2015


Oh, yeah, that's a good point. Hashtags within the Tweet will link to Twitter, those outside will link to the Edge.

Ethan - - Parent


The Void - - Parent

That's the tweet I was going to test-post, so it must be true. ;-)
Alright, let's have a go of a picture tweet too....
Good clickers! MoNKe started off well tonight. Onwards! #kendama #けん玉 >Events>MonthlyMondays
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) October 12, 2015

Ethan - - Parent

Hey orin! While we are still talking about new stuff........I just had an idea!!! For once in my life;) alright here it is...

Imagine that in-between the records and the logs section links on the top of the page, there is a section that says "tricks", or something like that. And when you click on it, you are taken to a page where you can post boss tricks, like 7 up 1080s connected to back-crosses.....

And taking it a step further, you could have a rating system. So if you like somebody’s trick, you can give it 5 stars........."phew" I got it out of my brain before I forgot it.........What do you say orin?? Bad idea, good idea, boss idea, DISGUSTING idea??

Ethan - - Parent

Bawesome idea?

Orinoco - - Parent

A section to vote on who has the best imaginary trick? I'm going to give that one a miss...

Ethan - - Parent

ha ha! by posts I mean videos;)

Ethan - - Parent

Like, you post a video of you doing the trick..........An imaginary trick would be cool though;)

Orinoco - - Parent

In which case sounds exactly like the records section.

The Void - - Parent

I'm pretty sure that a link to would achieve exactly what you want. You can upload videos of awesome tricks there, and people can vote on them, and add comments too.

Ethan - - Parent

now, I WOULD use JTV.......but I'm not patient enough to go through the uploading process........

The Void - - Parent

Well, this has veered nicely off-topic, hasn't it?

So, do you mean uploading videos (to anywhere) generally? Or is there something specific about JTV that you find difficult? If it's the upload time, then that's dependant on your file size and internet connection, not the website in question. Compressing can ultimately often save you time: *

* Wow, VidZap 8.3 is really behind schedule.

Ethan - - Parent

I think my main problem is that I don't compress my videos. I'm not patient enough to go through one more stupid process.........I like to get things done FAST with no nonsense.....

Alright here are my problems with JTV:

1. I don't like having to "Select 1 to 3 Style Channels for your video" and "Select 1 to 3 Prop Channels for your video."

2. I don't like not being able to see that uploading process. I like being able to see if it's 3%, 43% or 90% uploaded.

3. I wish there was a way to upload videos off of youtube........for example, the other day I wanted to upload some of my youtube videos to JTV but I couldn't find a way to do it.....

The Void - - Parent

Okay, well....

1. That's a minimum of 2 clicks. Is it really that time-consuming? These are there to help make JTV more organised, which means a) YOU will be better able to find videos, and b) other people will be more likely/able to find YOUR videos. Sorry, we won't be changing this.

2. Okay, there's a problem here. We have an upload progress bar! If you are on iOS 6 (invisible) or iOS 7 (non-progressing), it doesn't work properly. From iOS 8, it's working fine. If you're not on those platforms, please tell us what platform/browser you are on. The JTV Quality Controller is on the end of
qc @ juggling . tv

3. Directly? No, for all sorts of reasons. But you could use a ripper/downloader/browser extension to grab the highest resolution mp4 file that YT uses, and then upload that to JTV. But given your point 1, I suspect you won't go for that. ;-)

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

In regards to point #3:
Downloading videos from Youtube is easy, as long as you uploaded the video:
Youtube --> creator studio --> video manager --> select 'Download MP4' from edit dropdown clickbox

The Void - - Parent

Oh yes, I should have known that, thanks.

Orinoco - - Parent

I've just started playing around with Twitter a bit more. If that's your thing please follow my personal account @JonRelf so I can find you & you can help show me around. I've also set up @JugglingEdge but don't know what to do with it yet.

The Void - - Parent

Well, you could auto post "New #juggling event added to The Juggling Edge: [link to event page]". And how about the same for every new record?

Orinoco - - Parent

I've just plugged the latest events feed into Let's see how that works.

And how about the same for every new record?

I'd like to attract followers.

The Void - - Parent

Cool. I've found is more tweakable, should you need it.

Orinoco - - Parent

Thanks for the tip, the first run through didn't work very well!

Little Paul -

A while back I mentioned chatrooms on bigtalk.

The irc channel now has a website: which has information about how to access the chatroom, and a basic web based client.

You don't have to use the web interface though, you can of course use whatever IRC client you like.[1]

For example, if you want a slicker browser based client, I recommend requesting an invite for which I tried for the first time last night and was suitably impressed.

It's much more of a "chatroom for jugglers" than a strict on-topic-you-may-only-talk-about-juggling thing, but talk of juggling related things is encouraged and all are welcome!

[1] Connection instructions for various popular IM clients (eg pidgin, adium etc) will be added to the site once someone writes them. Any volunteers?

Orinoco - - Parent

For [1] You still know you can take my instructions for Opera right?

Well done for getting the website together.

& for everyone else, do pop in & say hi! I often pop in after a long day's coding for a quick chat.

Little Paul - - Parent

I'd forgotten about those - I'll cut and paste them tonight :)

Little Paul - - Parent

instructions thieved, massaged a little and added to with a link back here by way of a credit :)

Orinoco - - Parent

Well thieved.

I don't think the menu set up works though, the 'web client' looks like it is a header of a section of which the Opera instructions looks like a subpage.

I think something like this would be better:

Ways to access ##juggling
web based client (any browser)

Standalone clients
Opera Browser

Little Paul - - Parent

Yeah. I'm with you on that.

When I get a moment, I'll fiddle with the template and see if I can get it to do something more sensible

Tobias - - Parent

I just tried the instructions, and I did have to use ##juggling with two # to get to the right place. Why are our operas different?

Orinoco - - Parent

Very good question. I just checked my settings & yes my link is definitely just #juggling in 11.60, however when I just tried on a new try it on a separate install & #juggling takes me to the other room. & now my link in 11.60 doesn't work. & deleting it & reinstating it I have to use ##

LP, I think I may have made a mistake somewhere!

The Void - - Parent

Thanks for the link to JTV! :-)

Kelhoon -

IJDb chat room

#IJDb #chatroom

Probably the thing I mourn the loss of more than the rest of IJDb.  I met a lot of nice jugglers via that chatroom and got to meet some of them in real life too.  The frequent contact and interaction helped keep me interested in the hobby and expanded my social circles globally.  I think I am in the minority on this though :-(

A tad disappointed, but not surprised, that there was no take up of the XMPP (Jabber) chatroom:

Maybe a future feature of the edge ?

Discuss .....

Tobias - - Parent

For quite a long time, the most active juggling chat room has been the finnish #juggling on IRCnet (to me, something starting with # is still not a tag). I just joined once again after the subject of chat came up on that other archaic thing via nntp, and they were actually talking about the EJC.

Yay for old, dedicated protocols!

Colin E. - - Parent

"Yay for old, dedicated protocols!"

Like NNTP / usenet? ;-)

Little Paul - - Parent

I've looked into php/javascript jabber chat clients in the past and didn't really find one which was workable. It's been a few years since I last looked, I wonder if the landscape has changed much.


Tobias - - Parent

Dunno about jabber, but one of the other strange things I do is geohashing, where the community is held together by Mediawiki and #IRC. For the latter, Mibbit seems to work pretty well, I've seen lots of interaction with new, confused users that managed to find the IRC chan via

I'd definitely hang around a juggling IRC chan, if anyone wants to give that a shot.

Little Paul - - Parent

If there's one on (or if someone else can be bothered to set up services and whatnot to keep the chan open) I could probably manage to be in there for most of 10am->5pm GMT as I sit in a couple of work related channels from time to time.

I'm not sure I'm enthusiastic enough about IRC to work out how to get my client to connect to anything that's not freenode though.

I am signed in to jabber most of that time as well, so I *guess* I might be able to hang out in a jabber chatroom if I could work out how...

Tobias - - Parent

All right, the edge seems to be back...

freenode has interesting channel registration policies, but irc:// should be fine, if I understand them correctly. I've registered that one. Single-hash #juggling itself is registered to (but not used by) one Xahlee, probably in violation of freenode policies as I understand them.

Sorry, can't get the irc:// link to work.

Kelhoon - - Parent

What client are you using ?

Basically you just need to join chat room.  Essentially I think it is just a matter of announcing your presence in the XMPP sense.

I'm using Pidgin and it was dead easy to set up a connection.

plus, XMPP is allowed from work, IRC not so much

Little Paul - - Parent

I'm using pidgin. For some reason it was complaining that it wasn't a valid conference at work yesterday, but I'm working from home today and it seems fine.

So, I'm in the Jabber chatroom at the moment. IRC next...

Little Paul - - Parent

OK, I'm sat in ##juggling on as well now.

Dylan - - Parent

Wow really? I've tired to jump on the chat at IJDB a few times but no one is ever on... Maybe it's just the different time zones as I'm from Australia, but it just seemed quite inactive to me? I'd love an active juggling chat, though in the way this forum is set out it can basically be used as a discussion/chat anyway =D.

Dylan - - Parent

Bringing this thread back up, I think it'd be nice even to have a little chat box at the top of the small talk forum perhaps? Just one that people can chat on if they're sitting on that page.
Does this seem like something that people would use?
And if so, does it seem do able? Like would it be easy to implement into the site?

The Void - - Parent

Small Talk IS a chat room.

emilyw - - Parent

not a very chatty chat room though, as it lacks the auto-update feature that Facebook has, or that other place.

mrawa - - Parent

Small talk is more a forum than a chat room. It'd be quite nice to have a small chat window at the bottom of the page that just had a rolling conversation. You don't even have to keep a history, maybe just the last 10 - 20 submissions.

Little Paul - - Parent

I've been chatting to a few people about chat (and am spending a lot of time in the ##juggling irc channel and the jabber rooms mentioned above - if anyone wants to join me)

I think my aim would be a single chatroom which is accessible via IRC, Jabber and a web interface so that everyone can use whatever client they want.

Adding a chat web interface directly to The Edge which ties into all this background stuff looks like it might be a lot of effort, but there are 3rd party site out there which could be linked to that would do it for us.

I've started a big talk timer and once I've had a chance to pull my thoughts together I intend to write up how to get to the stuff which is available *now* and some ideas for "easy win" approaches to adding web based chat in the first instance as a proof of concept.

Then, the much bigger chunk of work which is "a chat box directly on the small talk page"

barnesy - - Parent

Do both seem to have acitivity?

I failed to get Jabber working when I had a quick look. Am I supposed to pick a server then set up an account on that or are accounts centralised?

barnesy - - Parent

Well I've got ##juggling working so I'll see how that goes. Spent too long trying Jabber without much success so advice would help!

Little Paul - - Parent

I think the most we've seen so far in one go is 4 people, but the irc channel has been around for less than a week so it's early days.

Tobias - - Parent

For all of who want a web interface for everything, try:

I am afraid you'll have to copy and paste the url, I cannot get the edge to recognise the entire thing as a link.

Tobias - - Parent

and yes, freenode does suggest putting that into an iframe ;)

Little Paul - - Parent

or just click on

you have no idea how hard I fought with myself not to make that link to a certain deagostini publication

Orinoco - - Parent

I just put a slash between the .net & ? which seems to do nicely.

As for the rest I am certainly open to suggestions, but where were you all when I spent hours at a time in the chat room all by myself?

I shall await LP's Big post on the matter & see what response it gets before going further.

Little Paul - - Parent

Yay! Even the grand high commander double posts sometimes ;-)

Dylan - - Parent


Orinoco - - Parent

I have no idea what you are talking about.


Kelhoon - - Parent


Do you have a google/gmail account ? if so, you can use that, google talk/chat is XMPP (the new name for Jabber) based.

What client are you using to connect ?

barnesy - - Parent

OK, thanks Kel. I did wonder about Google Talk as I'm set up for that using Adium (pretty much Pidgin for OSX), so perhaps I'm pretty close to sorting it out. I'd tried the 'join group chat' option on there without success. No error though. Falling asleep right now though so will have a better look in the morning.

Kelhoon - - Parent

you're welcome

under "join group chat"  the server will be "" the room will be "jugglers", just ask in here if there are other prompts you're unsure of what to answer with.

if there is an "add chat" a la pidgin, you can add the room to your buddies list and just double click on it whenever you want to join in.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I don't know enough about g33ky stuff, but cannot a third party chat app be slapped into an iframe somewhere in the Edge?

My guess is that one can, which is not the same as one wanting to.

Little Paul - - Parent

that would be one option certainly.

Kelhoon - - Parent, not

I have manged to get to the IRC room with my gmail account via

user = my gmail account
room =
server =

barnesy - - Parent

ah! I was trying not conference.

So now I think its working, only it asked me if I wanted to create a new room. Is that normal for when nobody else is in there or am I somewhere else? The window is headed

I'm quite happy with the IRC channel though, so that may yet be enough even if I'm still doing Jabber wrong.

Kelhoon - - Parent

jugglers, not juggling


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