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Yeah, I'm that "what is the hardest trick" guy.
This time siteswaps. What is the hardest siteswap* you've ever seen done? Even if it's just a one off?
I saw Lauge do CC88441DB97531.
*Excluding trivial siteswaps like base patterns, halfshowers, etc.
And...
-Gatto did b6666 in OVERHEADS, but maybe I'm just thinking of pure siteswaps.
-Flash of (ax,8)
-Of course fdb97531 (Still surprised no one has flashed hfdb97531 to a collect)
-Vova did a few 1-highs with 7 clubs
I hate siteswap?
Little Paul - - Parent #
Vova did a few 1-highs with 7 clubs
As in pirouettes?
From a Siteswap point of view, that's the same pattern with or without the pirouette.
No just the siteswap. I just wasn't sure how many 6's were under it so I couldn't name it explicitly.
I would probably have said that one as well. I can do db97531 sometimes and I've done cc88441 twice (much harder than db97531 for me), but connecting them would be extremely unlikely. For 5 balls (c,2x)(8,2x)(4,2x)* is very difficult, which Mura does here.
https://www.youtube.com/v/b8zY6_MC00o
Dave Leahy has done l7531753175317531.
The hardest I've done is probably the 7 ball ball pass around the body under a 6 up crossing multiplex back into cascade. I never bothered to work out the siteswap for that. Also 24[8d]33334444 and 25[22]2[69c]2313344.
That box is awesome, do you find it more difficult due to the accuracy required or the speed?
Ha! 4 7531's under a ball? That's goofy. Do you have a video of any of the last 3?
The 5 ball box requires a lot of speed and accuracy. It feels like high medium low 5 ball shower, but swapping sides. There's much more room for error with high medium low shower though.
Yes, I have videos of the 3 tricks of mine. The first is here at 3:06
https://youtube.com/v/Oh12s_U0kIg?start=186
The other 2 are here. They're hard because you have to split a multiplex to very different heights with good accuracy. The idea is to throw the multiplex and then do a short juggle between each catch as they come down.
https://www.youtube.com/v/d_pDpSFFUHI
Yeah, I'm that "what is the hardest trick" guy.
Can you say exactly what you get out of this type of question? I don't think I've ever learnt anything based on difficulty in my life so personally I don't understand the need to know. It's a common practice when teaching not to tell people whether things are difficult or not so they are not hindered by the preconception, "this is a hard trick, it's ok if I don't get it".
I don't think he intends to improve his juggling based on these questions. As an enthusiast for a particular discipline I think it's only natural to explore what the current level of achievement is and what we may expect in the future. The answers can be inspiring or disheartening depending on your mindset.
I'm not asked, but, ejwysz - as I read them - is sounding out the sensations in juggling, the limits of feasibilities, spectacular stuff .. but juggling is too complex a field for superlatives to neatly apply ..
I, personally am fond of 5b Dancey's Devilment, but I fear, in the end many 2-s reduce its 'difficulty' (same goes for like 7b-[456][22]2 ) and there's hand-movement involved.
Another aspect is to 'attack' a trick, siteswap resp., said to be 'hard' by preliminaries instead trying it from scratch [but that's off "hardest_Ss_ever_in_the_world"-topic].
Little Paul - - Parent #
I've been around long enough to have seen that in action. When I was a keen, enthusiastic young juggler, 5 balls was seen as "tricky, but you can learn it in 5years" 7 balls was insanely hard and 5 clubs was a really rare sight at festivals in the UK.
This didn't really change until a generation of jugglers came along who weren't steeped in those years of "that's really hard" and started learning those skills more quickly - in part because they just had no concept of how hard it was supposed to be.
These days, 5 balls seems to be the thing you learn after Mills Mess as just another trick. 5 clubs seems tricky-but-achievable. 7 balls isn't rare in the slightest.
But 20 years is a long time in a skill communities development, and it does make me wonder what will be commonplace in 20 years time
But 20 years is a long time in a skill communities development, and it does make me wonder what will be commonplace in 20 years time
If we're talking about pure numbers, then I think that the skill has now become pretty much limited by strength and physics rather than being limited by the mindset required to learn it. I don't think we'll be seeing a significantly higher level at the top in 20 years, but the average level may increase.
Little Paul - - Parent #
I'm not so much talking about pure numbers, as tricks/skills which are thought to be super difficult and rare at the moment which will be boringly commonplace.
Things like running db97531 for more than a couple of cycles
[answered on "limits of juggling" there https://www.jugglingedge.com/forum.php?ThreadID=1989&SmallID=14011#Small15057]
Definitely hardest is a 3-cascade of rice-grains with eating sticks .. but I've neither seen anyone do it, nor is it - alas! - a siteswap :o]
[ #chopsticks ] .. there .. the guy, Brian Lee Pankey, gives it a try, though he holds them far below: https://www.youtube.com/v/MYMnX-3y7rw
No compare .. Pankey did an Ss: 3b-423 and an under the leg and in movies everything is possible (also catching flies with chopsticks).
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