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cojack -

Good day all. Nice to make you acquaintance. I am member of the RHUL circus society. We are putting a day flow arts convention on the 29th of April (it is unfortunate that we clash with Lestival, but it is the only day we could do). I was told that here might be a good place to post about it. For more information check the link below.
https://www.facebook.com/events/196862024135217/

The Void - - Parent

Hi Cojack,
Welcome to The Edge. Did you know there is an event listing page on this site too? http://www.jugglingedge.com/events.php Lots of juggley-types search here to find events. You can create a listing for your event on there too, if you like (even if it only links to the FB page).
Have fun at RHUL. (Sorry, I'll be at Lestival. :) )
Cheers.

Mïark - - Parent

Hi Cojack,

Welcome to the Edge, it is unfortunate when juggling events clash. Like The Void says, do add your event the the Juggling Edge events listing. You could also add your club to the Juggling Edge clubs listings - help jugglers find your club and your club find new members

Daniel Simu -

I thought you Brits or you juggling history lovers would particularly enjoy this episode of Juggle Jabber with Matthew Tiffany :)

https://youtu.be/D-tpVgrKJ1c

The Void - - Parent

You were right. Cheers to you both.

7b_wizard -

What is "rock solid", for you when practising, wanting a trick or pattern rock solid (not when rating someone else's juggling) ?
#lingo #jargon

7b_wizard - - Parent

Can hardly tell myself, cos' nothing I juggle is really safe to not fail early before I get a good long lucky run in an attempt. (Guess, I'm doing at my limits too much, instead just "juggling" also easier stuff).
  Going over endurance in order to then after that get a pettern safe enough for a short run to show, with 5b cascade, I feel pretty comfortable now (>1,000 catches), but doing the 5b reverse cascade lucky over 100 c a few times lately is still way from "solid, stable or safe", so I think, I need 250-300 catches (?) at least to feel like "I got that halfway down" with then still lots'a practise ahead to really "own", somewhat "master" it.
  So, "solid" for me, at my current level, a lot means like being able to vary a pattern, bail out drifts, turns or lost timing and rhythm, and find back to comfortable fluent controlled pattern. (Yet that's still not "utterly controlled, mastered, rock solid", let alone "performable on big stage" as long as I get early fails a lot and longer runs luckily onlöy or after longer warmup anew on every single pattern).

  So, (I'm aware it depends on the goals, on the difficulty of the pattern, on if to perform it for vid or onstage, but) how about your best patterns or tricks, .. are you okay with a few rounds (periods, cycles), with 50, 100 catches, or do you want them to last 300, 500 catches? When do you feel "safe" with them?

7b_wizard - - Parent

"until it becomes ``boring´´" is another criteria just came to my mind.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I should be able to:
Do it while talking to friends (and others, I suppose)
Do it whenever I want for however long I want
Rely on it completely when trying to do harder versions

^At least 95 % of the time. To me, if it feels good and has low variation, it's solid. Even inverted box I drop somewhat oftenish, and I'd consider it solid.

peterbone - - Parent

With a club balance.

The Void - - Parent

Peter wins this thread.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Solidly, with a club balance? If so, how do you know when you have that solid?

peterbone - - Parent

Obviously not otherwise it becomes recursive. Normally a qualify would be enough, or a bit more. Solid is such a vague word that I'm not sure I'd ever claim to have any trick solid to be honest.

7b_wizard - - Parent

"Solid for you" would like mean when you're satisfied with it far enough to stop practising it intensely for example.

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. or also when you feel it's ``ripe´´ to increase its difficulty and dare a harder version of it for example.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hehe, I was imagining a progression of objects of decreasing length, ending with the silly end behaviour of no object at all.

7b_wizard - - Parent

:-o nirvanic.

It's Him - - Parent

I consider a trick solid when I can do it at least 9 times out of 10 in practice when combining it with another trick.

I will then introduce it into my show and if I am still dropping it too much I will revise my belief that it is solid until I can reproduce the same consistency in a show.

Nigel

7b_wizard - - Parent

That - even though mine's different and much lower level - reminds me of wanting >10 rounds of a single extra throw in e.g. 5b practise, like #5-count backcross or reachover or 4b + one very small club, before I attempt on faster #n-count or add a club to 3b2c. Or >10 times "per run" (no matter how much cascade only in between). Same for e.g. 3b single behind back looking in about a #5-count.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Agreed - ripeness. When I can do it well enough to blob it into my other stuff.

The Void -

Dinardi. There was an old music hall act whose tag line was "He fills the stage with flags!". Dinardi doesn't use flags.
https://youtu.be/cT0AueXMJe4

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Haha, that's a weird act!

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

I'd suggest the flags in question are don't really look like irises.

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Note to Orinoco: This post is b0rked. Preview wouldn't render it correctly, even when I edited it, and I have no access to the full editor since the reply page only gives a link to causal diagram help.

Example screencap.

#meta #orinoco

Orinoco - - Parent

Not sure exactly what the problem is here. Did the preview render for you but not as expected or did it not render at all as per that screenshot? If that is not the 'full editor' in that screenshot what precisely is missing from it?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

It should've read :-

"I'd suggest the flags in question are irises, but they don't really look like irises."

... with a link to Wiktionary on the first 'irises'.

I was going to check the source, but without the means to reach the full editor I couldn't do that either. I note that I still do not have access to the full editor in comment replies.

Orinoco - - Parent

What do you mean by 'full editor'?

Orinoco - - Parent

That was rubbish, he didn't catch a single thing!

I did like the orange stripey suit at 1:58 though.

Little Paul - - Parent

I love that, you just don't see production acts any more.

Also, those spring flowers are gorgeous! i haven't seen any that well made in a long time, most I've seen available commercially look more like feather dusters.

Which is of course, more or less what they are

Daniel Simu - - Parent

No more production acts? There are still some people performing with loads of bottles and umbrellas, right?

bad1dobby - - Parent

I love that you just don't see production acts any more.

I saw a production at the start - in the basket. After that, all I saw was some people unpacking some boxes on stage (albeit with great enthusiasm).

lukeburrage - - Parent

I'm so glad that I've never had to sit through an act like this live. It's interesting to see the video, from a historical perspective, but I found myself using the "skip forward 10 seconds" function over and over, waiting for something to happen.

mtb - - Parent

Prepping for this act must have sucked. Packing all of those things into boxes....

Dee - - Parent

Whereas I was thinking of the poor stage-hands having to quickly clear all that stuff off the stage. Hope the compare has lots of filler material.

The Void - - Parent

"End of first half? Right-oh!"

Stephen Meschke -

What is the physical limit for 7 ball cascade?

I have been training 7b cascade for several years, with various types of balls. Running 7 balls for two minutes is unfathomable, and running 7 balls for one minute is a goal that I hope to achieve (currently at 42 seconds).

Gatto said that running 7 clubs for >10 minutes is impossible. Certainly there is a physical limit for endurance in juggling. What is the physical limit for 7 ball cascade endurance?

Little Paul - - Parent

I don't know what the limit is, but the record appears to be just shh of 13 minutes
https://youtu.be/w14sfOZaQu0

Austin - - Parent

I reckon it would be over half an hour. The thing is with balls is that with Norwiks, endurance becomes 100x easier, so if people can run 7b for 5 minutes with heavy beanbags, with Norwiks or equivalent you could go for a very, very long time. I think the limit in skill will always be hit first.

The Void - - Parent

Yeah, people run ultra-marathons. If you train 7b hard enough, you'll have the physical ability to go a long time. I agree with Austin about the skill limit being hit first, but I'll add something else: concentration. You have to concentrate on every catch, and that mental effort is going to be physically draining in itself. Okay, with familiarity, it will become somewhat automatic, but not entirely. Ultimately, how good AND how determined you are will drive your limits forward.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Austin made a good point. Mental focus and skill are more likely to be the determining factor than physical exhaustion.

5 ball cascade has become 'automatic' for me, and I can combine it with head balance or joggling. 6 balls and 7 balls don't seem to be progressing toward automatic. It seems like there is some threshold where activities under a certain difficulty can become automatic, and activities that are harder always require maximum attention regardless of skill level.

James Hennigan - - Parent

Where did Gatto say that 7 clubs for 10 minutes is impossible?

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

What is the record for 7 clubs?

James Hennigan - - Parent

A bit over 4 minutes: https://youtu.be/Iw55Qyt8zVg

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Sorry, I don't have a source for that claim.

Randy Lyons -

The Turks Head Jugglers have been an ongoing juggling group in West Chester, Pennsylvania for over 20 years. During that time, we've had over 200 jugglers pass through our program -- including three World Champions. (The name "Turks Head" reflects the original name -- from Colonial Days -- of our happy little town.) We meet Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings as described on our Facebook page. And we've had a nifty website that recently disappeared. And a thorough investigation of this disappearance is underway, and the wrong-doers will be severely punished.
Over the last year or so, club passing has become an important feature of our practice sessions, and I try to get videos posted as often as possible. If you're in the area, please stop by!

The Void - - Parent

Hi Randy, looks like the club's listing here on the Edge has not been verified for a while. You might want to click the button to confirm that it's still meeting. http://www.jugglingedge.com/club.php?ClubID=1400
Cheers,
Void

The Void -

Fight Night at Bungay Balls Up. Sunday 28th May. #BBU2017 #BBUFightNight http://jugglingedge.com/event.php?EventID=4573

The Void -

Are any Lestivillians going to put L! on http://www.jugglingedge.com/events.php ?

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Done. Despite it not being my bloody job any more. Harumph.

#lestivalx

The Void - - Parent

Cheers. I know the feeling...

The Void -

I had a full day's clicking, chatting and coffeeing at #BathUpChuck2017 yesterday. Thanks to the organising crew. An excellent show too - well done to whoever booked it. Charles Brockbank was in great form with a high energy, yet cool club routine; two characterful duo acts; Tiff being his ace daft skillful self; and a triple helping of Rawlingses1 (two solos and a duo). All coralled into shape by Colin Powell, sorry, I mean Sam Veale, doing a classy funny job as compère.

1Rawlingsii?

It's Him - - Parent

My UpChuck started later than normal as I first had to collect my son from powerboat training before we could start the two hour trip to Bath. Fortunately when we arrived around noon we were in time to get two of the last tickets for the show.

I spent the next hour or so saying hellos to the many people I know and this was made longer by the large turn out for the convention. It seemed bigger than previous events I've attended, only the organisers would know the truth.

After having some lunch and getting my son to learn a new trick (Romeos something - the reverse of Rubensteins Revenge) I surprised myself and probably many people who know me by doing some serious passing with Dom from Milton Keynes. We are talking old style numbers passing here. Starting at 7 in doubles, 8 in doubles, 7 singles, 8 triples and finally 9 triples. I managed to have a club land on the end of my fingers more than once which was extremely painful but soldiered on like the true hero I am :-)

About the time the games got going (which was getting on for five) we decided to go search for food and drop our kit in the car (which as always in Bath was parked far too far from the juggling hall). We ended up eating pizza at the Lime Tree which was only a short walk from both the juggling hall and the theatre.

For me the show was almost a who's who of UK comedy juggling with Sam Veale, Matthew Tiffany and both Steve and Jay Rawlings in the show and Jon Udry and Pete Matthews in the audience. In a show packed with highlights Charles' routine where his one drop was when he wasn't juggling was very classy. I've seen Sam, Tiff, and both Rawlings enough times that I know their acts fairly well but they are still funny and the Rawlings' duo hat routine is really strong. The other hat duo had great potential but had just too many drops for it to quite hit the mark. A great show and a great convention.

Nigel

Stephen -

Remember guys - pre-registraton for BJC 2017 ends in a weeks time (midnight 28/02/2017)! Get your tickets now. :)

Maria - - Parent

I'll get a ticket as soon as I have booked my flight tickets so I know I'll actually get there... Just need to take a little time to look at my travel options, and decide if I'm going home after BJC or straight to the Swedish Juggling Convention. :)

The Void - - Parent

Will there be a rep at Upchuck to take cash registrations?

Stephen - - Parent

Void - I'll be there and taking cash registrations! I'll come see you during the event.

The Void - - Parent

Thanks.

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