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Rolf -

Hi Forum,
nice to be here, greetings to all you members of the juggling community.
We are going to celebrate the 30th Birthday of our juggling club in Hagen/Germany on January the 27th. We can't figure out the exact birthday anymore (we think we're late in January...), and the club never changed place, day or time in all these years. Exept on Christmas or New Years Evening the meeting is on every Monday.
We are going to have a show and a party, so if anyone is around this weekend, pop in!

The Void - - Parent

Hey Rolf,
Welcome to The Edge.
Hashtagging this thread to your club: #HagenJugglingClubKulturzentrumPelmke
30 years is awesome for a club to still be going. I was last in Hagen 33 years ago though, so I guess I "just" missed you.

Cedric Lackpot -

A glossary of juggling terminology - does such a thing exist?

In this subthread over on Reddit someone has asked for a glossary of modern juggling, and to my surprise I realised that I'm not sure such a thing exists, not an authoritative one anyway. Can any Edgizens prove me wrong please? Or suggest some good places for a curious Redditor to start looking? David Cain do you perhaps have some suggestions?

peterbone - - Parent

I think it was our God Emperor who created this one. Seems quite thorough.

Dee - - Parent

Although I would question "Backdrop"; to me that is what is behind you - in terms of filming or performing (so, do your props contrast sufficiently with the backdrop or do they blend in?) [I would definitely include that as an alternative meaning]

Otherwise, its a pretty good start on a juggling glossary, it maybe requiring a bit of updating in terms of references to people (perhaps, to make it a bit more timeless, I would omit living people from the glossary)

Orinoco - - Parent

Yeah, I couldn't find anything comprehensive when I looked either, which was what prompted me to compile that page.

It's been a while since I've added anything to that page, I think the last addition was buugeng.

I have added the extra definition for backdrop. I've also removed most of the living jugglers from view. I've left in those who I feel are more famous for a contribution they have made to juggling culture rather than for who they are.

New suggestions are always welcome. Any glaring ommissions from the past few years that I should include?

Mike Moore - - Parent

Box and an inverted modifier!

peterbone - - Parent

Squeeze catch

Orinoco - - Parent

Both terms added, & inverse too which is related. Suggestions for less clunkily worded definitions also welcome!

lukeburrage - - Parent

"Combat: US term for Gladiators" should be "Gladiators: the British term for combat".

Orinoco - - Parent

Yeah, I suppose you are right, it does seem to be a purely British term now. I wonder when that changed? I clearly remember it being announced as gladiators during the games at the EJC in 2002.

& is it a 3 club specific thing? I don't think I've ever heard the term 'unicycle combat' for example.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Gladiators is more of a generic term for "the last person doing this prop/skill with contact between participants allowed" so unicycle gladiators is usually still a thing. Also hoop gladiators or ball-on-head gladiators.

Combat is for three clubs and three balls.

charlieh - - Parent

I think it changed when too many people started using the wrong word.

The Void - - Parent

*spills coffee laughing*

DavidCain -

After 9 months of waiting, here it is - Dream Tricks Challenge # 4 results. Check it out.

The Void - - Parent

Well done, everybody!

The Void -

James Rinehart. This guy's form on pirouettes is... quite something!

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I skimmed around and saw pirouettes in the last 30 seconds. Did you mean those? They remind me a lot of classic female Chinese diaboloist pirouettes, with a big lean over.

The Void - - Parent

I watched it again. He *is* actually spinning straight (more or less), but the bent over entry and exit somehow make it look like he's spinning bent over.

Ian Marchant - - Parent

It may also be due to the stage.....the stage at the venue has a triple rake so is very slopped from the back to the front. It's quite a pain!

The Void - - Parent

Good point!

Orinoco - - Parent

Hey LP, if you haven't already watched this you'll *love* the tambourine juggling section!

Jupiterian -

Hi everyone I'm new here!

But I'm not a brand new juggler. I've been juggling for maybe 3 years, but I can only do 3 balls right now and I'm limited in my tricks as well. Mills mess is a trick I like the look of and plan to try out sooooonish. I also enjoy doing tightrope when I get a chance bit I don't own one due to them being super expensive, and my short term goal in terms of that is to learn to slack line instead for now. That probably won't happen until winter is over though...

I'm better at poi though! I can do 7-beat forwards, 5-beat backwards, 4-beat anti-fountain albeit a little awkwardly (as opposed to 2x2 anti-fountain) and I guess some other stuff but those are my show off-y numbers. I'm hoping to learn some cool contact stuff so that less of my tricks are 'different ways of making circles', since I love to show off, and sometimes circles aren't the coolest shapes around. It was my birthday yesterday and I was supposed to post this then, but apparently if you party, time passes so it's no longer my birthday :( either way, I'm probably going to get some fire poi for my birthday from my family!

A trick I'm currently trying to do with poi involves reaching an arm behind your back to spin the poi in front of you again. It's going very well so far except the part where I hit myself in the face. *shrug* I mostly wish I knew what the trick was called. It is split time, and each hand goes from reaching in front of the body to make a circle at the back to reaching behind the body to make a circle at the front and they alternate.

I'm also interested in practicing staff more! I'm very inspired by a guy called Austin that does some incredible contact staff at my juggling club fever. Maybe he's not the best in the world, but he makes it look effortless and cool and I wish I could make it look as good as him!

Also I believe I'm going to get a puppy hammer which seems super fun (don't worry, I won't be hurting any small animals hahaha) and also looks pretty hard! So when I get those I'll probably come here with All of my questions!

I'm here for some somewhat serious issues too, which right now is pretty much fire safety. I belong to the committee of #fever and we've been allowed to do fire as a society for years. Recently a member of committee changed some rules, and now according to him, we have to rewrite the whole rules and risk assessment. It's very tempting to just use the old one again, but I don't know how acceptable that is. Hopefully by the end of this all though, we'll have a fantastic risk assessment and set of rules for our events. I'll probably make a thread dedicated to this in the future, but if you could send me your own risk assessment from which I can [gain inspiration] that would be incredible and deeply appreciated.

Finally, I live in the UK and I've been to camvention this year and two years ago, and that's my only conventions so far. I'm planning on going to BJC though! Please do tempt me into going to more conventions though :>

By the way, unrelated to juggling, it feels so nice to be on a forum again. It feels like home!

I believe this is all I want to say! Hello everyone, thank you for reading my long intro post, and thank you for having me!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Hi Jupiter!

Welcome. What is a puppy hammer?

Danny Colyer - - Parent

I hope it's not the same as a kitten hammer :-O

Jupiterian - - Parent

Hahaha, I had to look that up. I wish :> It's apparently also known as an oxbow. It's a very long piece of rope that wraps around your arms, and you can use it as poi, and if you unwrap it you can use it like a super long meteor or like contact staff. I saw one at my last convention and tried it out, it was pretty hard.

The Void - - Parent

Excellent. But those are clearly kitten axes.
(I don't have to draw a graph, do I?)

Monte - - Parent

''the hammer of the Gods
will drive our ships to new lands''

The ginger cat has a hammer in one hand and an axe in the other.

Monte - - Parent


The Void - - Parent

Actually, they are both weilding the same weapons. But, on closer inspection, I may have to concede. Damn, hammered.

The Void - - Parent

Meanwhile, back on topic...
"Please do tempt me into going to more conventions though :>"
Welcome to The Edge. And "Come to Bungay!", where you can hear me and Monte banter in person. Or (just perhaps more temptingly) you can juggle 24 hours, play games, fly kites, consume coffee; cake; chilli, chill, visit local sites/seaside, in whatever proportion suits you. Longest juggling convention in the world!

Monte - - Parent

Back off topic. The vid is historically incorrect. Everyone knows Viking kittens didn't wear horned helmets.

Jupiterian - - Parent

I saw this on Facebook, it looks very nice especially 10 days, I even thought BJC looked very long. I think I'll see how BJC goes, and decide then!
It's nice to meet you by the way and I look forward to the banter!

Dayle -

Hi folks,

First of all, thank you Orinoco for accepting my request to join.

I'm a New Zealander living in South Korea. I used to juggle about 20 years ago and this year (2017) decided to get back into it. Am working mainly on 3b stalls and improving my 5b cascade; my best is currently ~130 throws and catches.



The Void - - Parent

Hi, welcome aboard.
Don't forget to breathe. :-)

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Forget about breathing!

Focus on the pattern.

The Void - - Parent

The two are not mutually exclusive. It's a combination trick!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Oh, I never breathe. Maybe I should try it then.

Orinoco - - Parent

You're very welcome, for the invite, to this website & back to the juggling community as a whole!

7b_wizard - - Parent

hulloh Dayle

Alice -

Leeds Convention 18/11/17
Two days to go. The donuts are ordered, the tea awaits hot water , and your cup, and the venue is ready to go.
Same venue as the last 5 years large gym hall all day with adjoining classroom for tea and coffee , evening show brought to you by the organisers of CATCH convention.
Lazy Juggler are braving The South and Oddballs the North to trade on the day. Both traders happy to accept pre orders
Magnificent raffle prizes (Thank you BJC Canterbury) , workshops all day and games with seasonal prizes on offer.
Also a combat tournament ,which you will have to ask the young people about .
Looking forward to seeing you all there.

Mïark - - Parent



John R - - Parent

The three-dimensional manifold whose boundary is a torus is a doughnut*. The ball with a sweet filling of some kind is a donut. Or maybe the other way round.

* More than a hundred years of topology and there is still no single word for the object that is to torus as ball is to sphere. Any suggestions?

The Void - - Parent

That's quoit difficult to answer.

Little Paul - - Parent

I like the word “quoit” - it has a nice ring to it

Orinoco - - Parent


I hoop this doesn't get out of hand.

Little Paul - - Parent

Halo Orinoco! Nice to see you in a pun thread.

Cheerio again!

Alice - - Parent

This debate was had online some years ago. I also used to use "doughnuts" but was told by an English teacher than language always changes and we update it over time according to popular usage, which is probably why we no longer talk like in Ye olde days.

Anyway thanks to everyone who came to the convention, special thanks to Oddballs and Lazy Juggler, esp Oddballs who had a 10+ hour round trip. Also to our fantastic team from Hullabaloo , especially Jon who did most things and Rosie for the excellent show.
We very much hope to do it all again next year

Colin E. - - Parent

I love the way the doughnut theme is still running. I honestly can't remember how we came up with that one or when it started. I have a feeling the thought process was little more than "we like doughnuts, let's use the juggling convention as an excuse to buy them by the trayful!"

mike.armstrong - - Parent

My memory (which may be wrong!) is that we were offered a tea urn by the Students' Union when we hired the room. That inspired us to go looking for snacks to go with the drinks. I definitely remember walking round Morrisons with Helen Fitt looking for the best value items and deciding on the doughnuts.
I found a load of paperwork from the 2001 convention the other day; we ordered 500 doughnuts and paid £45!

Alice - - Parent

200 donuts/doughnuts not only cost £20, in the 7 years I have been running the convention this is the only overhead not to go up in price.
Its no wonder we have an obesity crisis, they do taste nice though!

Colin E. - - Parent

Your memory is much better than mine! I do love the simplicity of the whole thing and the way we just made it up as we went along :-)

mike.armstrong - - Parent

...and I'm pretty confident it started in 1999. Our first one (1998) was egg themed but I think we settled on doughnuts after that

Mïark - - Parent

The Basil t-shirt was 1999 and that has a doughnut on it

and 1998 was the Leeds University Juggling Egg-stravaganza

Little Paul - - Parent

I found my basil tshirt on the weekend, and I looked at it and wished I had been able to make it :(

York Jugglers -

We were looking at the publicity claims we could make for Chocfest 23 (20 January 2018) and wondered if we could claim it is the longest continous running annual UK one-day juggling convention

Looking at data on Juggling Edge:

Chocfest has been going every year since 1996

Cambridge started the year before, but there was a 13 year gap between the 5th Cambridge and Camvention

Leeds had a convention in 1992 but didn't have their next one till 1998 and missed out 2000, 2003, 2004 and 2009

Manchester has been going since 1999, but not in 2015 or 2016

Lestival has been going since 2008

Bath UpChuck has been going since 2009

Milton Keynes since 2010

For juggling conventions of more than one day:

BJC has been going since 1988

Crawley has been going since 1993 but missed 1998, 2012 and 2017

Bungay has been going since 1999

Play has been since 2005

Broxford has been going since 2014, but could be considered to be continuation of Bristol going from 1989 to 2013


Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

Bungay had quite a long hiatus a few years ago didn't it?

Likewise I don't think Play has been continuous.

But Broxford is - so I'm told - very much Bristol in Oxford, and Brizzle started before the advent of human history.

The Void - - Parent

"Bungay had quite a long hiatus a few years ago didn't it?"
No. Glad we cleared that up.

York Jugglers - - Parent

You are right there was no Play in 2015 and according to Juggling Edge not in 2008, 2009 or 2010.

As Void says Bungay has been every year since its start (even through the foot & mouth outbreak of 2001)

Orinoco - - Parent

I quite enjoyed that period where everyone was practicing antipodism & ping-pong ball juggling.

charlieh - - Parent

Actually Bungay ran for 5 years from 1999-2003 and then in 2004 we held our wedding on the farm, with the convention proper returning the year after and running every year since. The wedding was pretty juggly though and at least one person turned up thinking it was the usual convention. We invited them to join us anyway.

I wouldn't rely on Void, he's not been to all the Bungays....:)

The Void - - Parent

If you look at what I actually typed, not what York Jugglers assumed I wrote, you'll find that I was correct. :-P
Can I start a campaign that MBTM actually stands for "More Bungays Than Most"?

Oh, and "General Gordon"!

charlieh - - Parent

I shall have my revenge at some point I'm sure. This (next) year I think we should do Taskmaster.


York Jugglers - - Parent

Sorry for my assumption (and failure to count accurately the number of Bungays)

The Void -

Peter has expressed our collective angst in song form:

Greg Mills -

How can I get my local club’s listing updated? The Lake Norman Jugglers has a Facebook group at #clubsjugglencjugglingclub

Mïark - - Parent

Iy you change yourself from "Occasional Attendee" to "High Command" then you will be able to edit the listing and add the link to the facebook group.

It would be better if you used a non-mobilephone specific link, ie. rather than for people using a computer.

Orinoco - - Parent

Where Mïark says 'ly' he probably meant something that included the link to your club's listing! I've just connected your profile to the club for you so you can go straight in & edit the details however you see fit.

Mïark - - Parent

Hm I wonder how that happened? Yes there was sone text and

Orinoco: your link goes to the Newcastle Juggling Convention listing for me

Orinoco - - Parent

Yes, it would appear I'm incapable of copying & pasting correctly.

I also meant to link to which is the club I connected Greg to. So it would appear the club is in the database twice...

The Void - - Parent

Wow, is your hash tag really #clubsjugglencjugglingclub ? I guess that's one of the things you want to edit! :)

Greg Mills - - Parent

I noticed that too. I didn't know if whoever set it up originally was trying to include search keywords, phrases or something. It is pretty awkward.

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