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Last night was the first chance I have had to get back to #HappyValleySpinjam since the end of November. There was only three of us, but it was rather entertaining. I got to show off my new LED poi. The main driving force (Christo) behind the meetings has been experimenting again, and has made some clubs.
Took a thick (30mm or so?) dowel and attached a slightly smaller one on one end. Then placed a pill bottle over the opposite end. I gave them a go and they were not bad, but a bit handle heavy. So we pulled off the bottle and added a bit of sand to each, which made them much nicer. They actually work ok, although they are pretty short, so they still rotate a bit faster than my Delphins. That said, they are heavy, and have no bumpers or anything.
I tried a few basic four ball things. The transition between synch and asynch is feeling more comfortable, but I am still getting lost somewhere in trying to start 534 (by throwing the 53 and then going back to standard asynch fountain).
Christo has some big plans for the year, so I might be getting some more gigs. Most of them are show up and do some stuff for a couple of hours, but with minimal effort from my side, so I get some pocket money that I can funnel back into getting new toys. We also talked about looking for a more central location that is indoors, so we will see where that develops towards....
I bet your 5 and your 3 are both too close to your 4s. Try separating them more. Good luck with the gigs.
@ mtb - 534 - Maybe think of it as 345, all to same side, then sidechange (with always same ball doing 3-s and that ball also initiating the sidechange). Made me get a hold of it.
For an upcoming video, I'm going to share some stuff from the renegade at the BJC2k. What are the names of these two? All I have in my brain is "Andy" but that might be because half of all jugglers were called either Andy or Dave. Maybe Barney?
Barney Bay is of course a stage name. As Void knows he is more formally known as Barnaby Maunder-Taylor. He also does very little juggling now having major back problems.
We had 9 at #Altern8 on Monday. (Get well soon, Richard.) Newbie Rosie was working on her 3 ball half showers both ways, and 4 balls, and also asked us how long the club had been going. We don't know exactly, but guessed about 25 years. Other new arrivals to the club were Anton & Angie, fresh to the area. Angie & Annette tried a dual booty-hoop which was more hilarious than successful. Anton and I had a little "remember when we both used to be able to do 5 clubs?" session. (41 catches, go me. Not sure what Anton got.) fak, Ian & Hazel passed clubs, and Hazel tried throwing tomahawks in passing for the first time, at Annette. (No-one was injured.) Biscuit quality: medium.
The juggling edge listing for Altern8 says it was established on 1 June 1994, so you maybe have another 2 1/2 years to meet your quarter century.
Pretty sure it was me that entered that date. It was a guess. Hmmmm... might have to have a look in some old issues of The Catch....
First listed in The Catch in the Winter '97 edition, but that may just have been when Tarim started running it, or maybe when it first had the name Altern8. There was mention on Monday that it used to be in a different venue...
Oh, and I also remember that after I'd moved to Bristol (probably winter 1997) Tarim announced a 're-launch' of the club after the summer break (the club used to close down over the summer due to lack of interest).
I was lead to believe that previously the club was quite sparse, with maybe 3-6 people attending. But Tarim did a good job of publicity, so about a dozen people (myself included, and quite a few students) turned up on the re-launch night. That made a great 'buzz' and I think cemented the 'social' aspect of the club. Most of us carried on coming every week after that as it was so special. We also socialised outside the club a lot, and I made some great friends.
But I'm not sure if that re-launch was when Tarim took over, or whether he was already running it prior to that point.
My memory for dates of events around that time is somewhat hazy, but I believe Altern8 was established up when the Freaks Unlimited workshop at the Elmgrove Centre in Redland lost their venue.
I have a feeling that the name of the club has its roots in it being an alternative to the freaks workshop - but I can't confidently claim that as fact.
Not sure what prompted the loss of venue - I think the Elmgrove Centre either had a refit, or started becoming more of a sports centre than a community centre. I only went to the Freaks workshop 3 or 4 times. If you think parking is bad where Altern8 is, you haven't tried parking near the Elmgrove Centre - which was a nightmare even in 1994 (and is pretty much impossible now)
The Freaks workshop is last mentioned in The Catch in 1994 - which would tie up with the foundation date mentioned above.
Tarim will have the full story though, as he was more directly involved.
Gutted that I'm missing so many sessions. My back is getting a lot better, and not stopping me do much now, except that sitting in a car is still very painful, making travel very difficult!
But Angie and Anton stopped off for a cuppa on their way to the club to give me some company :-)
The club was being run by Tarim in 1997 when I moved to Bristol. But it was run by Paul and Kelly from Freaks before Tarim ran it (I used to go to the sister Freaks unicycle hockey club for a year or two before I moved to Bristol).
I believe the Altern8 name change happened when Tarim took over (Altern8 was Tarim's domain name). But I think the spirit of the club remained from the Freaks days.
So the change to Altern8 probably happened in the mid-1990s. I don't know when Freaks started. Ian might remember more as I believe he previously lived in Bristol before moving to Liverpool, and went to the Freaks club (in a different venue) back then.
Ah, well in that case, there was a Monday night workshop run by Freaks advertised in the 1st issue of The Catch (Sep-Nov 92), in the Elmgrove Centre on Redland Road. If that's the one, then were at least in the 25th year. But I think Ian said it used to be in St Werburgh's: perhaps that was between Redland Rd and the current address...?
Paul and Kellie ran the Freaks Juggling Club at the Elmgrove Centre in Redland Road and later moved it to the Horfield United Reform Church. They also ran a unicycle hockey night and team. When they moved out of Bristol, Tarim took on the juggling club and renamed it Altern8 - as Paul and Kellie were still running the Freak's Juggling Business (still got some of their fire torches). Since then, the club has also been run by Chocolate Jon and Ian but it's always felt like the same club. It's occasionally been in the other hall and once or twice in the church itself. There have always been biscuits - though not the same ones.
I have a very vague recollection of a club briefly running in St Werburghs Community Centre (or was that a story-telling club?) but that wouldn't have been connected either way. Fool Time (now Circomedia) started in St Pauls but I don't think they had a drop in juggling club.
I can't remember any dates though. It's possible Freaks at the Elmgrove started in the late 80s - I'll see if Kellie can remember.
Nice one Tarim. I have a feeling the Freaks workshop at the very wonderful Elmgrove Centre started late '90 or '91 because I remember going there, and I didn't arrive in Bristol until Sept. '90. I suspect it didn't start up until around the time Freaks moved out of their Picton Street premises. But of course Kellie would know far better than me.
St. Werburgh's Community Centre got used a lot as a practice and rehearsal space by Fool Timers but I can't recall any kind of regular juggling club there. As you well know there were quite a few juggling clubs to choose from at that time anyway. And I'm pretty sure Fool Time itself never hosted a juggling club during my time there, because the space was pretty much booked solid by courses, classes, and people using the specialist equipment there. But there was for a while the Friday evening kids' sessions which would've been the closest thing to a regular juggling club.
I've just dug out my old diary (sadly I only started keeping my calendar on the computer from 17 June 1995, so I'll have to go through old papers to find anything earlier).
According to that I was definitely going to the Freaks Thursday unicycle hockey sessions in the Horfield Hall by December 1995, because I've got the fancy dress unicycle hockey session marked down on 14 December 1995.
I dressed up in my wizard cape, which was very dangerous when going backwards as it got trapped under the wheel. I remember that anyone who turned up without a costume was forced to wear clothing out of the boxes of jumble sale items at the back of the stage. There were a lot of people wearing middle-aged lady's dresses that night.
We've resurrected the fancy dress tradition when Freaks unicycle hockey team reformed as the Severn Wheelers. We now do a fancy dress hockey game every time Halloween falls on a Wednesday. So we've done them in 2007 and 2012, and will hold the next one in 2018 :-)
We also had a Bristol unicycle hockey tournament on Sunday 17 March 1996. I believe that was the one at the Whitchurch sports centre, because I remember I had been there before the BJC at the same venue in 1997. By the time of that tournament I had been upgraded to the Freaks A-team, so I must have been playing with the Freaks for a while. I think that tournament was the one where Ali fell into a 'wall', which turned out to be a door, making her disappear off the pitch, complete with unicycle and stick, with the door closing automatically behind her. We were all left wondering where she'd disappeared to.
Sadly I can't find mention of the Altern8 launch night in the diary. However I have an entry for a party at Laura's (one of the Altern8 jugglers) on 29 November 1997, and the same day a Portishead gig in Bath (which I attended with some of the Altern8 jugglers). So the club was definitely running by then. I moved to Bristol in June 1997, and my memory says that the relaunch was after that summer.
Interestingly, I do have an entry for juggling on a Wednesday (19 November 1997). From memory Rod Laver used to run an evening juggling club at Circomedia in Kingswood on a Wednesday night, so I'm guessing that was one of those sessions?
Good to hear a report on the biscuit quality. My shoulder was (still) bothering me enough that I didn't want to go an aggravate it. Sorry that I missed greeting some fresh blood!
Jon Udry & The Void are doing a juggling Kickstarter.
Check it out, if you'd be so kind! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonudry/jon-udrys-abc-tour
The accompanying video provides evidence of me juggling. That in itself is a rare, collectors item :)
Thanks. Yep, it's an exciting idea, but it goes nowhere unless people *pledge*!
Gizza quid, people! :-)
I will put the cost of a couple dinners out in the hat in the next few days, I hope.
Done. Here's hoping that the president does not tank the ZAR to GBP exchange rate in the next few weeks. :P
The next 15 people that pledge money for this project (minimum £10), will get a personalised video message from me (juggling included). Come on people! Pledge. Share the heck out of this project! We can do this!!!
(Sorry if this is seeming a bit like spam, but hey, it's juggling, and the "ignore this thread" button is right there. Anyway…)
If you didn't spot all the clues, the answers are here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonudry/jon-udrys-abc-tour/posts/1788258
Oooh, I'd never noticed the 'ignore this thread' button. Is that new-ish, or was it there from the beginning?
So we unfortunately cancelled the #ECMiniFest scheduled for today after getting essentially no response. We did not really try too hard to market it though, since it was really just that I would be passing through Queenstown on my way back to uni in PE around this time.
I actually passed through on Thursday night, so we did something anyway!
Got in in the the late afternoon, and quickly found Gerrit's house. He welcomed my partner and I, and we unloaded the car, which included my 29" off-road unicycle. After messing around with rings in his lounge, we headed out for supper, and his circus' practice space, in the indistrial area. After picking up some takeaways, we got there. Really nice big hall, with a fair-sized stage at one end.
There were a whole bunch of unicycles lying around, along with all sorts of other props. I briefly tried walking on a 44 gallon drum, but it had been abused by the circus kids, and was not round enough to fill me with confidence. Also, the floor looked hard.
I put the 29er together, which he enjoyed trying to get the hang of. Being from the Netherlands, Gerrit is a tall bugger, and I had to move the brake lever to get the seat high enough for him to be comfortable.
We tried doing some basic passing using his pirouettes (which are nice clubs, which spin a bit faster than Delphins). Since I am new to passing, we only worked on a six-club four count. In contrast to my previous brief attempts at club passing, it was actually coming together. Probably because I have a bit more experience just juggling clubs now. I showed off my shiny new led poi, and gave him some basic stuff to teach the kids. I also gave him some ideas for pole balances.
By now it was getting to about 22:30, so we headed back to his place. My partner, being a juggling widow, went to bed. Gerrit and I looked at a few social siteswaps, off Sean Gandini's DVD. We identified a three person pattern that looked tractable for the next day, if his other juggling friend was free. We also did some other juggling. I mentioned 633, which he had not tried before, but quickly had the basic timing in place. I taught him Olas, which is a lovely pattern. He showed me a table pattern (I think it was 0.5p 1.5p 2.5p or similar). We finished with a couple videos and a bit of five ball (flashing in my case, running a bit in his). I think I got to bed at about 2am.
We were up fairly early (around 8) the next morning to do some more. The first attempt at four-count went fabulously, but we peaked early. The rest was ok, and was getting a lot more comfortable. The higher ceilings in the hall meant that 633 was more comfortable, and I worked on it a bit. Conclusion: my 6s are far too inaccurate to be of any earthly use to anyone. Will have to work on that. He showed me a couple of 4 ball things to work on, and I showed him some of my weird claymotionesque patterns, which he liked. We also worked on a couple of Prechac passes, which are really fun! I tried a jump mount and one-foot, one-hand mount for rola bola, which I got quickly enough. He gave me some tips for my unicycling idling, which I think helped, I just need to practice.
By now it was essentially lunch time, so we headed back to his house to pack up and head on home.
It was really great meeting another juggling/circus person in person and geeking out with them, so even though the event did not happen, we will likely try again, if I can drum up some interest here in Port Elizabeth. I also really want another club juggler to start passing with, because that was loads of fun, and I want to try more than just four-count next time.
So yeah, my attempt at a juggling convention report. Even though just meeting another competent juggler is not really a convention, I will take it. ;)
Hey guys, Happy New Year! :D
So since I'm a bit of a beginner when it comes to siteswaps, I have a question about multiplexes ():
- How do you count catches with multiplex (that is: throwing two balls with each throw)? Would you count one catch per two balls, since it's >one< throw, or would you count each as two, seeing as you're actually catching >two< balls more or less at the same time?
By this I mean: does each throw result in one or two catches? :/
If you were going to add a record on the Edge for example.
And also: if any of you have any tips about triplexes (), how do you guys start a cascade? I've found it next to impossible to hold six balls in one hand, and I'm using regular-sized (ca 63cm) beanbags. Is there a trick to it that I don't know about yet?
I hope my questions make sense; I've found it's rather hard to explain...
How about starting with 5 & 4 balls in each hand, and starting with (,3x)? (I'm not sure if "3x" is correct, but I mean a 3 to the same hand.)
Hi & happy new year, to you too! .. Don't have that issue, as I don't do stacked ones, so I count "balls caught". Even for stacks, I'd think, even though you were counting and recording "balls caught", the pattern would imply they're thrown in pairs. I'd comment "#n pairs thrown" or "duplexes thrown" and-or "#n balls caught" anyway, though, I guess.
Alright, thanks for the reply!
I guess I just like throwing them Koblikov-style (i.e. stacked) so maybe I could count "stacks" and have the siteswap pattern explain the rest? A stack of  being two balls/catches and  being three...
I'll work on it :)
for (), if you're using beanbags, I guess you could pinch the corners of 3 balls together and hold them with your teeth. Load them into your hand after the first throw!
Or balance 3 balls on the back of your hand after turning it palm down with 3 other balls in the hand.
I'm sure there are many creative ways to solve this problem. Kickup, put the balls on a table, do a 3 ball cascade while holding the other 6 like how people start 9 with russians, and then do a 543 into squeeze catch.. Saggy small beanbags would probably help.
Thank you for the ideas, I'll be sure to try different ways :)
I know it'll probably be way easier with smaller beanbags, but I just like the size I already use.
I'm gonna have to look up "squeeze catches" though.
Its the opposite of a multiplex, catching multiple objects in the same hand at the same time!
(@orinoco how about an option to edit a post within 1 minute of posting?)
& the first thing I've made this year is a silk juggling simulator. Not sure if it will work on touch devices because I don't have one to test with but it might work.
I've always found silk juggling a bit naff but I find this strangely addictive & therapeutic.
I wonder if we can get this into JugglingLab?
Happy New Year from the annoying guy on an iPad!
Well, the buttons have different labels now, but I suspect that's not what you meant. Nothing happens in the box, still.
Well it works as expected with my touch events emulator. I don't think I'll be able to fix this until I get a genuine touch device to play with.
I suspect it's nothing to do with touch events, since nothing happens at all (no animation, and the counter at the bottom stays at 0:00).
Perhaps a Safari on iOS issue? I'm not sure of the best way to debug that.
Update: also fails to run on Safari on OSX. So it's a Safari problem. Might be easier to debug on desktop Safari!
The error console lists "SyntaxError: Can't create duplicate variable that shadows a global property: 'display'"
Perhaps rename the variable 'display' on line 108 to something else?
It now works on Safari on OSX, but not on the iPad (iOS 9).
It does work on Safari on my iPhone (iOS 10).
I've found how to debug on the iPad: activate developer mode (Settings->Safari->Advanced->Web Inspector); connect to a computer with a cable; on the desktop Safari->Develop->iPad->(page to be debugged).
This reveals: line 93 Unexpected identifier 'accuracy'.
And Google/Stack Overflow tells me that the 'let' keyword is only supported in Safari from iOS 10 onwards:
Many thanks for this. Switched the code to use the old
var keyword. Bit of a performance hit, but still usable I think.
Still nothing here (refreshed the cache and css thingy), but I'm on iOS 9.3.5, so I guess that's why.
The next error (on iOS 9) is: Line 202 Unexpected token '>'.
This is taking 'remote debugging' to a new level ;-)
Let me know if you get bored :-)
ah... the first bug should've given me a clue to this one. I think I've found a Mac old enough to test with but probably won't have time to sit down with this until the weekend.
Will definitely try to support Safari on iOS9 as I certainly don't consider 4 years to be particularly old! Although I assume iOS9 can run the latest Chrome/Opera/Vivaldi/Firefox etc. if need be.
I don't know if it's changed, but it used to be that any third party browser app on iOS had to use Apple's rendering engine. So even other browsers probably suffer from the same issues.
Incidentally, both my iPad and Void's are stuck on iOS 9 as support was dropped for those models this autumn.
But any iOS device bought in the last 4 years will run iOS 10.
So how obliged you feel towards supporting iOS 9 depends on whether your legacy support is better than Apple's :-)
Jugglers with automatic prop stands: http://ezine.juggle.org/2016/12/31/prop-launching-prop-stands-and-the-jugglers-who-use-them/
Interesting article about prop stands that launch props, but it feels like a very incomplete list of examples - can anyone add to them?
For me, the most obvious ones that spring to mind are rod laver:
And the ball juggling act that was in the BJC show a couple of years back, with orange balls... but unfortunately his name escapes me!
Any more for any more?
Dieto used a mechanical prop stand - it doesn't launch the props, but it does deliver them in an interesting manner.
It's a very small part of the act, but it does add to his general quirkiness.
Prop stand interactions are at 3:25 and 5:45
Also the unique Russian juggler Andrei Popov used a ball stand to launch 3 balls at the start of his act.
The Bert Garden clip doesn't seem to have embedded ptoperly in the article, so...
Gimmicked rolling globe?
I read David Cain's recent article about juggler Sicki, who performed the trick with the cups & saucers kicked to the head on top of a rolling globe
I find it hard to believe that this is possible. From my own experience with rolling globes, it is practically impossible to stand on them with 1 foot. The amount of space to balance on with the sides of your foot is very very small, and a tiny tiny bit of overcorrection will make the ball accelerate away from you. It is a bit like balancing two objects on top of each other, impossible unless your name is Peter Bone...
This video supplements my suspicion. The globe is moving at all times until he moves to one leg, he lifts his leg with great ease. Also, both kicks seem to be done from exactly the same spot on the globe:
In this second video however, you can see that the last kick is clearly done from another spot on the globe than the other ones. But after he jumps off the ball hardly rolls away!
What do you guys think? Genuine globe balance, or somehow gimmicked? How do you imagine this could have been done?
In this video
the globe is on a track. I seem to recall some discussion on rec.juggling a long time ago, where another video showed, on careful viewing, that a carpet covered a couple of tracks which kept the globe in a straight line. Not sure about the Sicki one, it seems less suspicious to me. Sometimes, people are just bloody well skilled....
I think the other video I mentioned was probably this one:
I have an idea. He could have a board under the carpet that had a hole cut in it. He would have to let the globe settle into the hole before raising one leg and doing the kick, but could move off of the spot between kicks.
I doubt there's any significant fakery going on. I can think of three realistic possibilities (and several unrealistic ones):
- flattening the globe slightly (a la egg-on-chopstick balance) just enough to turn a point contact into a surface contact.
- weighting the globe slightly. But I suspect that in order for this to actually assist it would need to be substantial, which it clearly isn't
- a depression in the floor, as per DC's suggestion, but I think a board would visibly affect the movement - perhaps a layer of underfelt with a hole cut in it?
If there is any gimmickry, it's very slight - anything substantial would affect the general movement of the globe, which still looks very natural to me. Also, if you watch closely he is still making very small corrections when he's on one foot.
When I used to perform I was in a show with a superb rola-bola artist named Trevor Delmarr. He really sold the dynamic balance of the prop by rocking the board like a see-saw at high speed in between jumps & tricks, but just before each trick he was able to stop the board on the horizontal in an instant at will. As Void says, some people are just exceptionally good.
I made a thing to compare stills from two kicks in the second higher quality video where the globe & the floor are both visible at 0:14 & 0:39. If you waggle your mouse or stroke your finger over the image you can see that the globe changes orientation so I don't think the globe itself is gimmicked. However, it is pretty much in exactly the same spot horizontally despite 25 seconds of movement in between. I find this a bit too much of a coincidence so I'm inclined to agree with David's theory.
That's a clever thing you made. Who's going to tell the webmaster that it spills out of the bounding box on iPad?
You'll probably need to do the refreshy thing with http://jugglingedge.com/js/Small-112111111.js
A hole underneath the carpet sounds very plausible to me! I'd never seen the tracks under the unicycle globe, thanks for that Void!
@bad1dobby: The miniature corrections would be for his own balance, he is still standing on one leg on an unstable object kicking up stuff!
"He really sold the dynamic balance of the prop by rocking the board like a see-saw at high speed in between jumps & tricks, but just before each trick he was able to stop the board on the horizontal in an instant at will."
Yep. This is easy, as your center of gravity remains at the same spot during the see-sawing. But indeed, my claim that the globe is moving at all time is irrelevant, standing on 2 feet it is not hard to stop a rolling globe either.
Well done to JonPeat for attending the most juggling conventions this year with an impressive tally of 11. He was closely followed by Luke, Heydar & Daniel who all clocked up 10 festivals.
Wow really? And I thought I hadn't attended many this year, I've been performing every (except during EJC) weekend from May through October so I missed many!! Well, 2 cons I only visited for like 5 hours.. On the other hand there were a couple of circus festivals and other gatherings not listed on the Edge's calendar, so I guess 2016 wasn't such a bad year after all!
I'm looking forward to 2017, many conventions are scheduled already :)
Impressive! Jealous of you European jugglers, with your dense populations and effective public transportation...
I think my personal best was 7 in a year (2015 and 2014, I think?), with most of them requiring over 5 hours of transit time, and only two reachable by public transit in under 10 hours.
My wedding had more jugglers than some small fests, I should've made a jugglingedge hashtag for it.
I think 4 out of my 10 had a 5h+ transit (one way). But yeah, if you want to visit a lot of cons, the best place to live is probably Germany, haha!https://www.inbaz.org/calendar
My general rule: if the car ride is under 9 hours, I will go to the fest. If it's longer than that, it is probably a big fest (only done that for IJAs and a Skillcon)(note: "big" here is not necessarily strictly referring to attendance).
In 2018 I'm hoping to add JJF to that list! And an EJC sometime when it's in/near a city I'd like to vacation in.
Come to the EJC this year! It's going to be a good one. Lublin is a lovely city, super cheap too. The same team did a great job with a previous EJC in the same place.
Next year the EJC for some fucking dumb reasons voted to go to an island in the Atlantic. It's going to be either a disaster or the smallest EJC for 30 years. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
2019 will probably be good, but who wants yo wait 2.5 years for an EJC?
Actually 2018 Azores is one of the EJCs I think I have been most excited about for a while. I doubt it will involve much juggling (on my part at least) but small doesn't mean bad, and I can think of much worse ways to spend my time than hanging out with a bunch of my friends on a beautiful isolated subtropical island.
I do echo your thoughts on Lublin though. Last one was excellent!
Small isn't a problem for hardcore conventioneers who have the budget for an EJC each year. But the reason it will be small is the fact that it's so far away on an isolated island is just a huge fuck you to:
Anyone who wants to drive
Anyone with a family
Anyone who would normally go by train or hitch hike or car share to keep down travel costs
Anyone who wants to take a big tent
Anyone who doesn't like flying
Anyone who wants to stay in cheap non-camping accommodation
Etc etc etc.
Sure, the people who can make it wont complain, but those people aren't the jugglers who I'm concerned about. It's the literally thousands of people who will be excluded because fuck them, they don't have enough money.
So is it your contention that the EJC should always be in central-mainland Europe? I won't be able to afford to go to the Azores, but I'm glad that the EJC can sometimes take the occassional left-field location choice. Plus, EJC-goers voted for it.
If it is going somewhere out of the way, it should at least be to a place that will benefit a strong local juggling scene, and that scene can also help give the convention a boost too. Examples: Finkand, Greece, Ireland. The cost for others coming to the convention was unfortunate, but it gave EJC access to lots of jugglers who would normally be paying to travel in the other direction. The Azores? Not so much.
Plus, EJC goers voted for it? Wasn't it brought up as a three-year-in-advance proposal, competing (at the time) against zero other proposals for 2018? And once it had such approval, who else was going to work on a competing proposal for the same year? I'm not sure how well such a proposal would have done against any other more normal convention plan.
Yesterday I was chatting with friends here in Germany who only heard that the EJC was going to the Azores due to the renegade at the EJC where the host said it was the Azores theme night. They thought the whole thing was a joke.
But then they were enthusiastic about going to an EJC combined with a hot beach holiday. I had to break it to them that the Azores are NOT the Canary Islands, despite both sets of islands being in the Atlantic. I've been to the Azores many times, and I'm not sure I've ever seen the sun. I've certainly not seen any beaches.
Also, what tourist infrastructure does exist on that island is along the south coast, as is the capital city. But where is the EJC? The north coast. Even if the island is a good spot, the EJC is on the wrong side of it, in the opposite direction of most public transport.
Beware of a destination advertising itself for mountain biking.
Some EJC goers voted for it, yeah, but I agree that it was not a fair vote. We voted to go to Lublin in 2017, and then we were asked if we wanted to give EJC 2018 to the Azores, besides the fact that applications for that year had not been submitted yet. People voted yes, but we never really got a chance to vote no because someone interrupted the vote with a question. (I would have voted no if I had got the chance, not because I didn't want an Azores EJC but because I found it unfair to give it away before people had a chance to apply...)
I still have hopes for a nice juggling vacation on a beautiful island though!
I didn't know the details of the vote, thanks Maria. And thanks for the expanded argument, Luke. Holds up better now. :-)
Hmm, If I can find a cheap flight, I'll give it a look. Google's not showing anything less than $1100 round trip right now, so that's a tough sell (especially when there are frequent sales for flights to Tokyo for ~$650).
Dense population? Not all Europeans live in Germany or UK. I certainly don't have lots of juggling conventions nearby... During the last year, the only juggling convention I had within 5 hours travel time was the one me and my friends organized. Sweden needs more jugglers, I think. Wonder if I could help fixing that, maybe I should try to find some people who might want to learn to juggle.
Hah, I actually checked this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_population_density) before posting that because I didn't want to be complaining about nothing. Canada ranking 232 out of 246, I thought I'd be pretty safe!
That said, someone from Southern Ontario complaining about population density is not the same as someone up north doing so! I shouldn't complain.
On the topic of making more jugglers and fests, I'm the sole organizer of the closest fest to me, and a co-organizer of the second closest fest. Organizing something local has its benefits!
I shouldn't complain either, I live close to Stockholm so even though there is usually a long way to travel for conventions, at least I have a juggling club within reasonable distance to go there twice a week.
We can't organize many conventions by ourselves though. Too difficult to get enough jugglers to attend, so that we can afford a gym and sleeping space... Like I said, too few jugglers in Sweden.
I am one of the board members of a juggling club already (http://jugglingedge.com/club.php?ClubID=915), it's just a really small one... Maybe 5-7 members right now. We have discussed ways to increase the number of members but not really done much yet. I'll try to get the rest of the board to help me organize something, try to get some beginners to discover juggling I guess (since people who already juggles should have been able to find us already if they were interested).
It's surprising to me that a place with such legendary visitors doesn't have an active juggling community! From the top of my head I can think of 7 jugglers living in Stockholm right now... Though I can imagine none of them would be very interested in attending a weekly club.
I know that there are more jugglers than the ones attending our club, and there are of course other places where one can juggle as well (like different circus places). Cirkus Cirkör has classes in various circus disciplines, including juggling, maybe people choose to go there instead? And yeah, there are some well known jugglers living in Stockholm... Though non-jugglers don't know anything about that.
I'm just not sure how to find the ones that would actually be interested in attending a club, if those people even exist (I mean, in higher numbers than the members we have now).
In any place where people live, there are people who just don't know yet they are into juggling! Good luck helping them to discover their new passion ;).
I've heard the "not enough new member" problem from many juggling clubs, the only ones I know who've successfully grown were either university groups or started courses ran by people who were passionate about teaching too.
Do all those jugglers at least meet at the convention you organised?
We have discussed starting courses too, but I don't know if we are that passionate about teaching. I mean, I really liked the idea and thought it would be fun, but I'm not the most experienced juggler and don't really have teaching experience either. And the people most suited (one is a teacher in other subjects, one a professional juggler with experience in teaching circus skills as well) have not even been to many club meetings the last half year.
Well... At least I now sent an e-mail to the board, discussing the possibilities of holding a free beginners juggling workshops on one of our first club meetings of the year, and how to make it known for people in Stockholm that this exists. If we can get just a few beginners to show up at the same time (and we actually spend a full hour helping them to get started) the chances of them wanting to continue might be bigger than if there is just one person at the time showing up to find that the least experienced juggler in the club has been juggling for 6 years (that would be me) and that we spend lots of the time either juggling lots of objects or doing complicated club passing patterns.
There were not many Stockholm jugglers at our last convention. To be fair it was not exactly in Stockholm either... But some of them have showed up earlier years for World Juggling Day in the park.
It seems 2004 was my best ever year for conventions, with 20 events as listed on Juggling Edge:
The 8th Durham Juggling Festival
Manchester Juggling Convention 6
16th Bristol Juggling and Circus Skills Convention
Barnard Castle Juggling Convention
Die Keule des Brian - Duesseldorfer Jonglierconvention
27th European Juggling Convention
IJA Juggling Festival 2004
World Juggling Day / weekend
15. Klagenfurter Jonglierfestival
20th Nordic Juggling Convention
14th Dutch Juggling Convention
British Unicycle Convention (BUC11)
Shef Con 2004
Convention Ieper (official + meeting Circusplanet)
Scottish Juggling and Face Painting Convention
1st Bradford Juggling Convention
The Ball Ring 2004
There might have been more that year or others, but it was years later that I updated my attendance at these events.
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