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7b_wizard -

What is "rock solid", for you when practising, wanting a trick or pattern rock solid (not when rating someone else's juggling) ?
#lingo #jargon

7b_wizard - - Parent

Can hardly tell myself, cos' nothing I juggle is really safe to not fail early before I get a good long lucky run in an attempt. (Guess, I'm doing at my limits too much, instead just "juggling" also easier stuff).
  Going over endurance in order to then after that get a pettern safe enough for a short run to show, with 5b cascade, I feel pretty comfortable now (>1,000 catches), but doing the 5b reverse cascade lucky over 100 c a few times lately is still way from "solid, stable or safe", so I think, I need 250-300 catches (?) at least to feel like "I got that halfway down" with then still lots'a practise ahead to really "own", somewhat "master" it.
  So, "solid" for me, at my current level, a lot means like being able to vary a pattern, bail out drifts, turns or lost timing and rhythm, and find back to comfortable fluent controlled pattern. (Yet that's still not "utterly controlled, mastered, rock solid", let alone "performable on big stage" as long as I get early fails a lot and longer runs luckily onlöy or after longer warmup anew on every single pattern).

  So, (I'm aware it depends on the goals, on the difficulty of the pattern, on if to perform it for vid or onstage, but) how about your best patterns or tricks, .. are you okay with a few rounds (periods, cycles), with 50, 100 catches, or do you want them to last 300, 500 catches? When do you feel "safe" with them?

7b_wizard - - Parent

"until it becomes ``boring´´" is another criteria just came to my mind.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I should be able to:
Do it while talking to friends (and others, I suppose)
Do it whenever I want for however long I want
Rely on it completely when trying to do harder versions

^At least 95 % of the time. To me, if it feels good and has low variation, it's solid. Even inverted box I drop somewhat oftenish, and I'd consider it solid.

peterbone - - Parent

With a club balance.

The Void - - Parent

Peter wins this thread.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Solidly, with a club balance? If so, how do you know when you have that solid?

peterbone - - Parent

Obviously not otherwise it becomes recursive. Normally a qualify would be enough, or a bit more. Solid is such a vague word that I'm not sure I'd ever claim to have any trick solid to be honest.

7b_wizard - - Parent

"Solid for you" would like mean when you're satisfied with it far enough to stop practising it intensely for example.

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. or also when you feel it's ``ripe´´ to increase its difficulty and dare a harder version of it for example.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hehe, I was imagining a progression of objects of decreasing length, ending with the silly end behaviour of no object at all.

7b_wizard - - Parent

:-o nirvanic.

It's Him - - Parent

I consider a trick solid when I can do it at least 9 times out of 10 in practice when combining it with another trick.

I will then introduce it into my show and if I am still dropping it too much I will revise my belief that it is solid until I can reproduce the same consistency in a show.

Nigel

7b_wizard - - Parent

That - even though mine's different and much lower level - reminds me of wanting >10 rounds of a single extra throw in e.g. 5b practise, like #5-count backcross or reachover or 4b + one very small club, before I attempt on faster #n-count or add a club to 3b2c. Or >10 times "per run" (no matter how much cascade only in between). Same for e.g. 3b single behind back looking in about a #5-count.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Agreed - ripeness. When I can do it well enough to blob it into my other stuff.

Orinoco -

Apparently freestyle dance/acrobatics in a freefall simulator competitions are a thing.

https://youtu.be/CN3-4Z4ae_0

Never seen this before (wait for it...), I was blown away.

I'll get my coat

Little Paul - - Parent

You just had to drop that pun in there didn't you

7b_wizard - - Parent

Wonderful! Flying human.

mtb - - Parent

I wonder how expensive getting and running one of those is. If it is reasonable, I wonder if it might crop up in a circus at some point.

It looks like fun though!

Orinoco - - Parent

They are only (ha!) a bunch of very powerful fans & a perspex enclosure. While very niche I can't imagine they would be expensive enough to put off Cirque Du Soleil. Limiting factor would then be power supply, I doubt you'd be able to plug it in at the mains.

Does it really offer anything substantially better than more traditional flying trapeze acts? Once the novelty has worn off probably not. Having the performer enclosed off from the audience & wearing a crash helmet takes away a lot of the performer's ability to engage with an audience too.

I should've also noted in my original post the performer is Maja kuczyńska who came third in the Wind Games 2017 held in Cataluna.

Little Paul - - Parent

I wouldn't have thought it would need more than 63A 3 phase, which should be readily available in most theatrical venues (and indeed, most tented venues)

The novelty factor, rigging difficulties, enclosed performers etc have never stopped wall-of-death or ball-of-death acts from being popular.

Talking of intriguing props, I'll just drop this teaser from Greg Kennedy/Michael Karas here as it doesn't seem long enough to warrant a new thread on its own:

https://youtu.be/An-whv73k88

Those two do seem to have a habit of coming up with/developing toys I want to play with, but which I don't have the space to build...

mtb - - Parent

That looks like it could be rather interesting to watch. I like the projector onto the moving bars.

lukeburrage - - Parent

There is way more to these things than just a big fan. They are wind tunnels laying in their side. They are WAY bigger than just the Perspex column you see here. That's the minority of the thing. They take up entire buildings.

John R - - Parent

Yep. A friend of mine got into parachutig and then flight tunnels (it's a very expensive hobby by the look of it). The airflow is on the order of 2 million cubic meters an hour (tunnel cross section is at least 10 square meters, air speed 200 kph or so) - it's not just one fan, it's stacked series of fans top and bottom, and some bloody enormous filtered intake vents elsewhere in the building.

I am now trying to imagine what 2 million cubic meters an hour would do to a tent...

Orinoco - - Parent

I am now trying to imagine what 2 million cubic meters an hour would do to a tent...

If you were at BJC 2013 in Pickering you could've experienced it.

mtb - - Parent

Well, that would explain why a circus has not tried it yet, I guess.

lukeburrage - - Parent

To be clear, here's a diagram. See how big the perspex tube is in this?

https://downunder.iflyworld.com/uploads/600x487-Tunnel-Diagram.jpg

However, I don't want to quash the idea of this appearing in a Cirque du Soleil show in the future. If anyone will do it, it'll be them.

It's just that it won't be a single act, and it won't be a touring show, and it certainly won't be in a big top. It'll need to be like the O show in Vegas, which is entirely built around water and diving and other aquatic things. The show is built around that, and also the theatre.

I could see something similar with "air" show. All that stuff in the picture above? That would be around and behind the stage. The perspex tube could maybe be removable, or extend up and down. Air could also be diverted out of the tube, to blow things sideways or down or whatever.

peterbone - - Parent

How about the more portable outside versions? They look a lot smaller.
https://youtu.be/R68utBn23lc

lukeburrage - - Parent

When the fan is below, the column of air is super lumpy with turbulence from the spinning blades. That's just about good enough to hold your body flat and stay up, but the fine control needed for dance moves isn't possible. The modern installations have the fans above, and suck the air up, which means it is a uniform column of air and has no turbulence.

Of course, the sucking fans need a sealed column of air, which is why there is the perspex tube for the flier. The air speed is the same from the top to the bottom, unlike the open design with the fan below, where the air speed drops off as the stream dissipates. It's just a massive blast, and you're balanced on top of it.

You really need the wall-to-wall air column for dance routines like in the previous video.

peterbone - - Parent

Understood.

The Void - - Parent

Neat. BBC article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-38890112
Why do people say "are a thing" when they could say "exist"?

Orinoco - - Parent

I'm trying to be down with the kidz.

Little Paul - - Parent

If this was the 90's, and rec.juggling - I'd be making inappropriate jokes about Neil Stammer right now.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I can imagine artists using weights in order to not fly (so much). There'd then be ``groundies, slomo-jumpies and flyers (flyees)´´ to be choreographed to a showact. Lightweighties could be held by ropes or rubber-ribbons to be able to stand or dive upside down permanently without sinking back down, too. (( Maybe also bring your pet, cat or dog lol. ))

Orinoco -

Live recording of the 38ème Festival Mondial du Cirque de Demain.

https://youtu.be/KZyzUzT4gUs

Haven't watched yet, saving this for later.

^Tom_ - - Parent

We watched it live on two Arte videostream on Saturday night. It certainly had a couple of moments. I'll let you guess my favourite acts once you've watched it.

LukasR - - Parent

http://concert.arte.tv/fr/38eme-festival-mondial-du-cirque-de-demain

i suggest to watch it on arte and support them instead of giving the clicks to a russian pirate

peterbone - - Parent

Watched it live through a VPN as well. Highlights for me were the beatbox guy, hand balancer, Swedish Chinese pole guys, Canadian luggage trolley lady, Diabolo. Viktor Kee was a judge.

Colin E. - - Parent

The ball juggling routine was superb, the characterisation was brilliant, and he owned the audience!

I also really enjoyed the diabolo routine (although I just can't stand vertex or whatever it is called, it looks so inelegant!)

Something I liked about both performers is that they were not afraid to push things to the edge of their abilities, and it was the small failures that really made the acts.

The Void - - Parent

Wanna buy a tee? http://www.capsule39.com/tlmb_vertax.php

mtb - - Parent

I thought that the drops for the ball finale might have been planned. At least, the first one seemed to be.

Colin E. - - Parent

I think it was a bit of both - I'm pretty sure this was on the edge of his abilities, but with the 'skit' around having someone come and pick them up being entirely rehearsed. I very much doubt his act is planned to have an exact number of drops. It's part of what keeps the performance fresh.

mtb - - Parent

Yeah. Although he got a really strong crowd reaction after the first drop, which is why I thought that that one might be planned. And then maybe one more was expected.

Still good going!

mtb - - Parent

Kerol, the beatboxing club juggler was not bad either.

I really enjoyed the seesaw + Chinese pole act as well, although I did not like the ending.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

You can now als read my review of the festival at eJuggle:

http://ezine.juggle.org/2017/02/08/jugglers-at-cirque-de-demain-2017/

mtb - - Parent

Nice review! I would love to see the other show, do you know if it will be going online?

I watched it again on the weekend, and noticed that the Zhejiang Troupe's finale is even more mental than I thought: The base was actually in a handstand with the antipodist lying on his feet.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

The other show was not recorded by Arte, so it will not go online as a full show. Probably some artists have recordings of their own, and might decide to release those online in the future.

Sadly I didn't snap a picture of that finale nor did I rewatch the video, but now that you remind me, yes that was the case. I really saw little of that act, much too distracted by the background dancers and trying to make a Dutch joke about it (die 8 dansers vormden de ACHTergrond ;) )

mtb - - Parent

Ah well. Will keep an eye out.

The background dancers did seem superfluous.

I really enjoyed the whole show though.

The Void - - Parent

Thanks for the review!

bad1dobby - - Parent

Thanks for the enjoyable review, Daniel.

Regarding the Zhejiang troupe, you wrote:

    "The tricks performed were unimaginatively hard to do..."

I wonder whether you meant "unimaginably hard"?
"Unimaginatively hard" would mean something like "very difficult but not at all creative". (My apologies if that was your intended meaning)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Oopsy, that error slipped through! Thanks for the correction, this is the only way for me to improve my English :)

lukeburrage - - Parent

Juliane and I caught up with the Arte show yesterday, and we made very similar comments to your own about the acts, though I hadn't read your review at the time. Things like "I bet those dancers have something to do in a different act, but they are in the choreography throughout the main show, so here they are."

I'd seen ChihHan Chao (George) perform at the EJC, both on the Open Stage and in the Diabolo Battle (where he came second), so the act wasn't so special for me, especially with so many drops and mistakes. I understand why he got a gold medal though.

I have a choreographed drop at the end of a few of my acts, but Alejandro Escobedo needs to learn that if you don't get the trick after the "comedy picking-up the dropped props routine", then the next attempt has to happen FAST. As in, maybe slightly funny but most importantly No Hanging Around. By the second drop the audience already knows you are A. good at juggling, B. clever (for choreographing a drop, or having choreography to cover the drop), C. funny and D. entertaining. Extra choreography for each drop doesn't elevate B and only decreases A, meaning C and D have to ramp up to cover the deficiency. And it was such a pity after the rest of his routine was without major errors.

lukeburrage -

An Anthony Gatto appreciation thread:

https://youtu.be/yjoBZei2xmY

Unedited video of his practice session at the BJC2k:

https://youtu.be/gtsaTMdKVTM

Orinoco - - Parent

Haven't watched either video yet as I'm currently at work with no time or sound but I'm really excited about watching this again. I was sitting on the floor at the time completely mesmerised. Mostly curious to see how far my recollection of the session differs from reality after 17 ye... FFS 17 YEARS!

Also looking forward to what else comes out of your box of old tapes!

lukeburrage - - Parent

I have another 6 hours from the BJC2k I'm going to look through over my coming work trip. From what I saw when capturing the videos (which wasn't a lot) I can tell you that people fucking SUCKED at diabolo 17 years ago. It's cringeworthy.

Little Paul - - Parent

If you're digging up old tapes, I think I've still got some of your digi8 tapes around here somewhere

I have nothing to play them back on, and no idea where they are from - but if you want we can probably work out a way to get them back to you?

lukeburrage - - Parent

Okay, sounds good. Jugglermail might be able to get them to me, or if there are only a few I'll pay for postage. What do the tapes say one them? I don't remember not having any.

Little Paul - - Parent

I'll dig them out and look. I'm pretty sure they're from a BJC, If I had to guess it would be somewhen around 2008ish

I think I ended up with them because someone from byjoty that year wanted your footage of their act, but your camcorder had died so you couldn't play the tapes.

Once I've found them I'll drop you an email and we can work out how best to get them to you.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Probably 2005, as I think my camera was on the blink after that, and I switched over to using Pola's mini-DV camera instead.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'm looking forward to watch the practise session soon. What does 2k stand for in BJC2k?

Dee - - Parent

k is shorthand for thousand; so "y2k" was the "year 2000"; it's probably more typically used when referring to amounts of money, but around the turn of the millennium, it was quite common to refer to it as y2k [or 2k if, as with the BJC, you had other preceding acronyms].

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks, that makes sense :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Btw, is that KHH and Olivier Groszer sitting in the background?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

KHZ*

Colin E. - - Parent

Yes, and Ben Jennings too.

peterbone - - Parent

And Beinn Muir taking notes of everything Anthony does.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Yes. I was going to mention some of the people watching, but thought I'd leave it up to the eagle eyed viewers to spot them and work out who they all are.

JonPeat - - Parent

This is a question intended for anyone who was there and may know the answer...

Did Anthony juggle those same red renegade clubs in the BJC Gala Show or did he use clubs of a different colour?


Gatto donated an old set of 3x Renegade Clubs (which he had signed and which were light blue in colour) to the BJC raffle that year.
I was wondering if that set of clubs had been juggled in the Gala Show or if anyone knew if they were an older performance set.

The next question is: does anyone know where the light blue clubs were performed or what era of Gatto's career they came from?

Cheers, Jon

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Those clubs with the light blues decorations were in the convention "office" for the whole event (I juggled them) so they weren't used in the Public Show. I don't know if/when he used them on stage...
Cheers
-Mike

ChrisD - - Parent

Great to see this, thanks. Having attended 4 BJCs in a row, I decided to miss this one. A decision I've never regretted in the slightest as I was just getting together with a wonderful girl and decided to invite her on holiday to Cornwall instead. We have been together for 17 years now.

Still, I've often wished I could have attended this as well and seen Gatto live. I still can't juggle even as well as he could at age 8 (the oldest video of him I could find http://juggling.tv/15335), and probably younger too. Is it really true he could juggle 5 balls at age 5?

peterbone - - Parent

I don't see any reason to doubt that he could do 5 balls at age 5. Here's Matan doing 6 at age 6.
https://youtu.be/BP2Bve7UjSI

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

If I remember correctly it was Albert Lucas who was rumoured to be able to do 3 at 3, 4 at 4, and 5 at 5.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I have a picture on my drive which originally had a description saying he was 4 years old. There he is juggling 4 balls and spinning one ring on his leg.. But I don't know if that description is true and can't remember where I got it from :(

ChrisD - - Parent

I can't offer any definitive source saying Gatto could juggle 5 at 5, I'm afraid. This well known article does imply he probably could (and I take Peter's point, through the amazing 6 at 6 Matan, also) :

'It was Nick who first taught Anthony to juggle, in 1978, a few months before Anthony turned 5 years old.'... '"I noticed that after a few weeks, his progress was becoming more and more rapid,” Nick later said'....'So rapid that at times he didn’t even have to learn to do the higher number. Like when he went from three to four, he never had to practice four balls. He could do four balls. He never had to practice five balls. He could do five balls.'

http://grantland.com/features/anthony-gatto-juggling-cirque-du-soleil-jason-fagone/

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Yeah, also taking in account Anthony said he was training since he was 3.

" But I feel lucky because I get to do something different from the one thing I grew up doing since I was 3 years old." http://www.floridatrend.com/article/19006/a-famous-jugglers-concrete-plans

Bendy Dan - - Parent

He ran a workshop at that BJC, which I went to; the only things I can remember from it are:

1. learn headbounce, practise everything with headbounce, it'll make everything else more solid.

2. use superglue to stick your hands back together after the skin dries out and splits from juggling too much.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Fantastic! .. juggling from another planet. Thanks for sharing.

John R -

Feeling prompted by a christmas card from the Beaks to remember a few people. I know it won't be comprehensive, and I knew some of them a lot better than others, but here's to Aidan Burns, Nick Beak, Ben Beever, Mike Bridges, Gary Blake, and Vid Warren. The world was and is better because of them.

...and looking back over that list, can someone please wrap Luke Burrage in cotton wool for the next couple years?

Please feel free to add more names if there's anyone else you'd like us to think of. I would also like to briefly plug national bereavement week in early May, and espcially the Pushing Up Daisies programme in Todmorden, who are fantastic for talking about and facing death and bereavement.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Is there something I should know?!?!?!???!?

John R - - Parent

Just there was a very strong preponderance of the letter B, and then you were the first non-dead juggler to come to mind with a suitable surname!

Alive, that is, not a zombie juggler.

peterbone - - Parent

:-(

John R - - Parent

Well, this is awkward...

Please don't die until a very great age and/or reaching all your personal goals!

Orinoco - - Parent

Gone but not forgotten.

Why do you want to suffocate Luke though? Seems a bit harsh.

Tom Derrick - - Parent

I'd like to add Ashton Launcherley to that list.

Orinoco -

& the first thing I've made this year is a silk juggling simulator. Not sure if it will work on touch devices because I don't have one to test with but it might work.

I've always found silk juggling a bit naff but I find this strangely addictive & therapeutic.

I wonder if we can get this into JugglingLab?

The Void - - Parent

Not working on iOS.

Orinoco - - Parent

Damn you 2017!!!

Hold on, is that any better?

The Void - - Parent

Happy New Year from the annoying guy on an iPad!

Well, the buttons have different labels now, but I suspect that's not what you meant. Nothing happens in the box, still.

Orinoco - - Parent

Hmm.

Well it works as expected with my touch events emulator. I don't think I'll be able to fix this until I get a genuine touch device to play with.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

I suspect it's nothing to do with touch events, since nothing happens at all (no animation, and the counter at the bottom stays at 0:00).

Perhaps a Safari on iOS issue? I'm not sure of the best way to debug that.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Update: also fails to run on Safari on OSX. So it's a Safari problem. Might be easier to debug on desktop Safari!

The error console lists "SyntaxError: Can't create duplicate variable that shadows a global property: 'display'"

Perhaps rename the variable 'display' on line 108 to something else?

Orinoco - - Parent

Variable renamed. Looks like there is a bug with Safari's scoping.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

It now works on Safari on OSX, but not on the iPad (iOS 9).

It does work on Safari on my iPhone (iOS 10).

I've found how to debug on the iPad: activate developer mode (Settings->Safari->Advanced->Web Inspector); connect to a computer with a cable; on the desktop Safari->Develop->iPad->(page to be debugged).

This reveals: line 93 Unexpected identifier 'accuracy'.

And Google/Stack Overflow tells me that the 'let' keyword is only supported in Safari from iOS 10 onwards:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39090908/unexpected-identifier-error-for-first-object-safari-only
http://caniuse.com/#feat=let

Orinoco - - Parent

Many thanks for this. Switched the code to use the old var keyword. Bit of a performance hit, but still usable I think.

The Void - - Parent

Still nothing here (refreshed the cache and css thingy), but I'm on iOS 9.3.5, so I guess that's why.

John R - - Parent

Now opens on iOS 10.2 on an ipad, and great fun to play with, thank you!

Richard Loxley - - Parent

The next error (on iOS 9) is: Line 202 Unexpected token '>'.

This is taking 'remote debugging' to a new level ;-)

Let me know if you get bored :-)

Orinoco - - Parent

ah... the first bug should've given me a clue to this one. I think I've found a Mac old enough to test with but probably won't have time to sit down with this until the weekend.

Will definitely try to support Safari on iOS9 as I certainly don't consider 4 years to be particularly old! Although I assume iOS9 can run the latest Chrome/Opera/Vivaldi/Firefox etc. if need be.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

I don't know if it's changed, but it used to be that any third party browser app on iOS had to use Apple's rendering engine. So even other browsers probably suffer from the same issues.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Incidentally, both my iPad and Void's are stuck on iOS 9 as support was dropped for those models this autumn.

But any iOS device bought in the last 4 years will run iOS 10.

So how obliged you feel towards supporting iOS 9 depends on whether your legacy support is better than Apple's :-)

mtb - - Parent

This is quite nice. Thank you, and I hope 2017 is a good year for you all.

peterbone - - Parent

Very nice. What physics engine is that? Played it on IPad. Collisions please.

Orinoco - - Parent

I stole most of the code from this project which is an implementation of Verlet integration.

Collisions between individual silks? Will see what I can do but I think the number of extra calculations that would require will be too much for a script running within a browser.

7b_wizard -

Does anyone else fire one of the caught balls at far out of reach outbreakers to at least hit it before it drops and at least delay their drop.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

After reading your sentence 8 times: No.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Okay, I'll try again:

When you see that a ball will drop far away from you, does anyone else then at least throw a ball at it to at least hit it before it drops?

peterbone - - Parent

Sometimes with clubs if it's falling from high up onto a hard surface. I noticed from a previous thread that you often make wild saves to catch bad throws while practicing. I wouldn't recommend that for improvement. No point wasting the energy or risking injury. It also doesn't force you to focus on good throws as much.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thx, yeah, wild saves .. it's become less over the years lol. I have `modes´ of doing ranging from lax & no saving at all over keep-it-up mode unto go-for-it unleashed mode (rather when learning new tricks or to save a very long run) and I'm aware of not utterly exhausting myself and not risking too much.

The Void - - Parent

This one I can understand.

No.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hmm, not really. I do like disturbing rings that are rolling away from their "masters" by throwing things at them.

Start2day -

Hey guys!
I'm new here and I already have a question, how can I show my personal records on my profile and how do records get verified on this site?
I'm also learning to juggle five balls, i can flash about 70% of my tries and I use the pyramid technique but that gets boring. Does anyone know another practicing technique to learn 5 balls?

Have a good day,
Will

peterbone - - Parent

Hi. You could just click My Records, copy the URL and link to that page. Here are mine.

http://jugglingedge.com/records.php?UserID=54

There's no verification of records as they're not official. However, you can provide a video link for each record.

For 5 balls, I wouldn't recommend any particular training method. Mix it up as much as possible. Try different heights, different balls, work on accuracy, an even rhythm and body position. When you're comfortable work on increasing number of throws. Also work on 3/4 ball tricks and siteswaps (5551, 552, 531, etc).

Start2day - - Parent

Damn, you flashed 13 balls!! how long did it take you to do that?!?
And thanks for the tips, I suck at 4 ball tricks but I agree I should be able to do some to learn 5 balls faster.

peterbone - - Parent

About 4 seconds ;-) . From first attempt, a couple of months approximately. But that was 11 years ago and I've not done it since.

Start2day - - Parent

haha, do you think you could still do it today?
And do you make a living of juggling or is it just a hobby?
(sorry for all the questions I'm just curious. After not having juggled for a year, I really want to get back in to it, that's why I signed up for this site.)

peterbone - - Parent

I think I could still do it. The main problem is not having the time or training space for it. There's also a greater chance of injury now.

I juggle only as a hobby.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hi & welcome, Will!

For learning 5 balls, I recommend varying the 3 ball cascade on 5b-height (whichever you choose as such) and low & fast in order to exercise speed.

Then, I dearly recommend to go for rethrows after flash .. every single ball (thoroughly) juggled again after catching it gives you an idea of how high and fast your (personal) viable 5b pattern should be.

Cheers, fun & keep 'em rolling!

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. go for rethrows .. ... no matter any drops(!) - every gathered ball after throwing 6 throws and more is worth double against hastily saved 5 flashed balls only.

Start2day - - Parent

Thanks for the tips, I just practised 6-10 throws and I really started to feel the speed, height and pattern
I think I'm finally improving now:)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Woe. cool. Ask whenever you get stuck and can't figure out why!

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Don't use the pyramid. Just focus on making the 6th and 7th throws.

If you work with 5 balls too early, you will waste your time dropping the balls. Training with 3 and 4 may be more productive.

Add some records, and I will suggest some new patterns based on your skill level.

Stephen Meschke -

Someday my body will start to break down and I will not be as physically able to juggle as well as I once could.

My main goals in juggling are 7 ball cascade and 5 club cascade for one minute, and I'm close!. 7 ball cascade and 5 club cascade are physically intensive juggling patterns. They require a mix of skill, strength, speed, and endurance. Eventually old age will take away speed, strength, and endurance.

This question is directed toward 40+ year old jugglers, or jugglers who have past their physical peak in terms of strength, speed, and endurance:

What is juggling like for you now that you can't do the things that you once could?

The Void - - Parent

It's like 10000 spoonbills, when all I need is a nightjar.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

I don't understand, can you explain?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Surely a witty allusion to maybe this: http://www.10000birds.com/roseate-spoonbill-platalea-ajaja.htm lol

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. looks like an unusual creative new prop to me ..

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm really curious what they're meant for .. 't doesn't say it in the article.

7b_wizard - - Parent

(And the nightjar refers to a weak urinary bladder. You may not drink before you go to sleep or have to get up in the night.)

DavidCain - - Parent

I'm 47 and fat, but I can still qualify 6 clubs and 8 balls (on a good day) and flash 7 clubs and 9 balls. Not sure if I can still do all of the five club tricks that I used to, but I haven't lost too much skill. I have horrible asthma and other breathing issues, so I can't practice too much, but I'm still learning new skills and can do a 90 minute stage show. The other day I did 6 30 minute stage shows in one day and then wrote an entire eJuggle article that night, so I guess I'm doing okay.
David Cain

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

...so I can't practice too much.

Practicing too much can lead to injury. Juggling in moderation is necessary for longevity.

I think you are doing more than okay, asthma aside (that actually sounds pretty bad). 6 club qualify is very impressive.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm over 50. I can still do a diveroll if it comes hard (did one last year lol, a save attempt while juggling), but I can very well do without. Still, a few years ago my bike's front wheel flopped horizontal while driving slowly, blocked, and I fell over the handlebar .. head over; I rolled off and out and nothing happened, just hurt my wrist a bit (matter of a few days to heal).   My stronghand wrist doesn't bend back 100% anymore, so I haven't done a handstand or wheel for a long time, but I'm casually stretching that wrist (when I read "handstand" lol) hoping to get there again.   What I find is really becoming harder and harder, is, to ride biking against the wind, or like walking up stairs or mountains when I'm worn (but only then).

When I don't stretch before juggling, I feel I'm liable to rip a muscle or sinew or ligament, so I always stretch a minute or two.   When I feel like it, I jump high (just like that, not athletic "high-jump") - I like to believe I might get a flic-flac when I'm 70, even though I know it might not be true.

I don't juggle by strength, but by skill and speed   ( which also enables me to endure - my perfect pattern (no matter which number of props) is easy as walking, like ``bored´´, that I aim for, and it works so far ).  

I sometimes feel like fainting, when the weather is muggy, airless, or when I'm exhausting myself above threshold when it's simply warm; I then have to drink, take a break or freshen up .. that's all.   By (actively) paying attention to and caring for one's body (and not letting age "happen on you"), one can make up for any flaws that slowly but slowly appear with age, [//says also Dr. Rangolf as far as I remember, and I do//].

Priorities become different, .. you see life as a whole, and sometimes start thinking in time remaining instead endless time ahead to some degree. (For juggling this e.g. means sorting out tricks, patterns, props, new stuff to not invest time in and knowing more exactly what to stick to, thus being more effective by not losing any time with stuff you won't be into seriously anyway, seen that way).

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. and I avoid lifting heavy weights; I'd rather run twice.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Thanks! That was a really interesting post.

How do you warm up before you juggle?

Before I juggle, I warm up with:

  • Light Cardio (bike, walking, eliptical trainer) - 5 minutes
  • Easy to Medium Jumprope Tricks - 3 minutes
  • Posture Exercises to Engage Core Muscles - 1 minute

My warmup only consists of movements, I do static stretches at the end of a workout.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Forgot to mention some minor aches that come and go .. where usually ointments (conifer-oil, tiger balm, [germ.: Latschenkiefer, Frantzbranntwein, Tiger Balsam]) will do to feel fresh again, or (rarely needed anymore, used that in my `forcing years´) a hot-water-bottle on the lower back after practise. I even keep my chronical shoulder aches  ( that I get from explosive very high throws (b, d, f, ..) and sudden saves with outstretched arms )  and by not overpacing with unleashed movements (stretching well before) in check like that.

Warm up: I totter and limber up like a rattle playtoy; I wiggle my shoulders with utterly inactive relaxed hanging arms (trying to throw the arms off which will never succeed); I do high kicks and side kicks; I bend foreward with stretched legs reaching for and touching the ground with my hands; I, while standing, slightly bend my back into relaxed (lazy) position and wiggle like a duck to limber up back's muscles (stabilizing torso's movement by connecting my hands tight in front of the chest); shake my legs a bit. Just once or twice each, all in all two minutes.

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. ointments .. .. or simply water burning shoulders, forearms, back, ankles, knees .. ``extinguish the fire´´, so to say.

peterbone - - Parent

Stretching before juggling has always been controversial on juggling forums, and in sports science in general. Take this article for example and the research it links to.

https://www.bu.edu/today/2015/stretch-before-exercise-not-so-fast/

Warming up the muscles before juggling on the other hand is definitely beneficial, and so it stretching at other times, such as after exercise.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Well, guess it depends, what and how you practise .. I like to do sudden explosive movements (e.g. saves), and I tend to overstretch the inner life of my arms and back also, when I do it from cold. Maybe an individual thing. Thanks for pointing out, it's not generally always good for everyone. (and, we're talking of advanced age, ways to cope with aging body, not practise in general at full fit younger age, where it's different, I guess)

Colin E. - - Parent

Scientifically speaking the body does peak long before you are 40, but in our modern world - very few people ever attain their peak!

At the age of 41 I am faster, fitter and stronger than I have ever been in the rest of my life :-) I don't find juggling 5 clubs or 7 balls to be a physical problem at all.

To my mind the bigger advantage you have when you are younger is time. When I was at University I managed to juggle around two or three hours a day. That's not really possible at the current stage in my life. Although, I am sure I'll get back to it when I retire - which will hopefully be nice and early :-)

Jaz Auden -

Could anyone suggest their preferences for size and weight of balls when training 7?
And specific type of ball would be cool too.

7b_wizard - - Parent

6.2cm, 80g. MMX1 (white) replaced Mr.Babache Bubble Balls (white) last year; self sewn two panel (tennisball-seam-shape), two color (white \ dark green) thick leather beanbags filled with cherry pips (but they're worn off and I can hardly use them anymore). When I started off flashing, and upto getting round over 20 catches, I used to train with small balls, self-sewn leather, white, 5.5cm, 55g filled with (milk-)rice and self-sewn leather, two panel (like tennisball), black and white, 5.0cm, 70g, filled with sand. - I train outdoors, partly on grass, partly on rough gravel-concrete, or sandy ground, so need durable, hard-wearing, stressable balls. - Indoors on clean ground, I'd prefer beanbags with velour side out.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Normal size, normal weight dropprops (70 mm, 100 g): http://www.dropprops.com/product/filled-large

They're lightish so I feel very little fatigue, and are machine washable.

Jaz Auden - - Parent

They look nice but unfortunately don't ship to England.
Have you juggled with bag lady balls?
It's hard to know which type of ball and then which size and weight

Mike Moore - - Parent

Yep, I used Bag Lady balls for a while, particularly flannybags. I don't remember the specs I had...probably 2.75 inches. They're certainly viable to practice 7 with. IMO, they're very similar to Gballz, but don't feel /quite/ as good or last /quite/ as long.

Jaz Auden - - Parent

Okay thank you that's good to know.
The option on the gballz website is quite extensive, I don't know where to start

peterbone - - Parent

I also use the 62mm MMX1 for 7. Slightly underfilled to 100g. I use mini uglies for higher numbers, but they'd be great for learning 7 with.

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