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A couple videos and a clip
I'm never sure whether I should post my juggling videos here, but this one seems like it's high enough energy to give people a laugh: https://www.instagram.com/p/BcfnSoVn-ma/
I've also put out a Youtube video this and last month:
The better one: https://youtu.be/90Yseu8OdQc
The boring one: https://youtu.be/xP0VlzdjlEo (but still worth making, in my opinion)
Time to get them up on juggling.tv!
A glossary of juggling terminology - does such a thing exist?
In this subthread over on Reddit someone has asked for a glossary of modern juggling, and to my surprise I realised that I'm not sure such a thing exists, not an authoritative one anyway. Can any Edgizens prove me wrong please? Or suggest some good places for a curious Redditor to start looking? David Cain do you perhaps have some suggestions?
I think it was our God Emperor who created this one. Seems quite thorough.
Although I would question "Backdrop"; to me that is what is behind you - in terms of filming or performing (so, do your props contrast sufficiently with the backdrop or do they blend in?) [I would definitely include that as an alternative meaning]
Otherwise, its a pretty good start on a juggling glossary, it maybe requiring a bit of updating in terms of references to people (perhaps, to make it a bit more timeless, I would omit living people from the glossary)
Yeah, I couldn't find anything comprehensive when I looked either, which was what prompted me to compile that page.
It's been a while since I've added anything to that page, I think the last addition was buugeng.
I have added the extra definition for backdrop. I've also removed most of the living jugglers from view. I've left in those who I feel are more famous for a contribution they have made to juggling culture rather than for who they are.
New suggestions are always welcome. Any glaring ommissions from the past few years that I should include?
Both terms added, & inverse too which is related. Suggestions for less clunkily worded definitions also welcome!
"Combat: US term for Gladiators" should be "Gladiators: the British term for combat".
Yeah, I suppose you are right, it does seem to be a purely British term now. I wonder when that changed? I clearly remember it being announced as gladiators during the games at the EJC in 2002.
& is it a 3 club specific thing? I don't think I've ever heard the term 'unicycle combat' for example.
Gladiators is more of a generic term for "the last person doing this prop/skill with contact between participants allowed" so unicycle gladiators is usually still a thing. Also hoop gladiators or ball-on-head gladiators.
Combat is for three clubs and three balls.
Did you ever - as far as you're aware, of course - dream that you toss*-juggle?
*"toss" - or fly and catch a diabolo, or run a devilstick, or foot- or knee-juggle a soccer ball, headbounces, or also scarve-juggling, .. anything where you lose physical contact to your prop. And catching, or at least the intention to catch, should be included. - So, I'd like contact-juggling, contact-staff, spinning, twirling, balancing and alike to be excluded.
I'm 7. Would love to improve over night, though. Also forgot to include the choice "Constantly, it's unnerving, I wake up from it everytime I drop." lol
I can - not while dreaming, but when awake - visualize throws (and then upto where they fly until I do the next throw to focus on, which is about to their apex), but then don't know where the balls are for catching (they sort of fade or vanish in a still life from where I last pictured them), .. so, when visualizing more rounds after launch, I have to take the catches for granted (and from seeing balls at launch before my mind's eye, I go over to instead feeling my handmovement + thrust + aiming or so). [ #dream #visualize ]
I think I've only ever dreamt of juggling once. I dream of juggling conventions fairly often. There frequently isn't any juggling in the juggling convention dreams, but I know I'm at a juggling convention. I'll give myself a 7.
Okay. Sounds more like "maybe, rather yes" to me(?). Then maybe 3. or 4, (both definite "yes"), if you're sure, you did, or 6. if you're you're not all sure, but positively think you did, would fit better? - 7. was really more meant as an "almost, but definitely not" .. everything is ready and setup to juggle, but you don't or can't or don't know how (the emphasis is not on the surroundings-story, but just to elude on "nearly could and should've but it didn't happen"). Actually, I meant the poll to find out how many are even able to juggle while dreaming. (But, hey, whatever you think! I'm happy about everyone who finds a choice that fits him.)
It's not all clear: does "you think" in
"I think I've only ever dreamt of juggling once." refer to "dreamt of juggling" or to "ever only once"? Do or do you not have a memory of indeed yourself juggling?
I've definitely dreamt about juggling conventions. I may have dreamt about actual juggling. I don't usually remember my dreams well nor conversations about them. I slightly remember discussing having a juggling dream that wasn't the usual so I think I may have been juggling in it. Or perhaps I actually saw juggling (as the convention dreams don't usually (or ever?) have juggling in them. It's all a bit hazy for sure. I'm a definite 7 and maybe a 4 but I won't commit to that.
I have dreamt I was passing clubs at least twice. I don't remember details (like what pattern or passing partners) but I think I remembered a bit more right after I woke up. I believe I woke up in the middle of the pattern, not after dropping. Good dreams. :)
I'll put that as a 4.
Have definitely dreamt of juggling conventions a few times, too. At least more times than about actual juggling... As far as I can remember, of course.
...and shortly after I wrote that answer I slept and dreamed about working out new take-out passing patterns (on paper and by walking through the moves) together with another passer that I know from conventions. I know who the other juggler was but not what pattern we were working on. No actual juggling in that dream, though.
First without effort, and second when I was learning to lucid dream.
(I don't bother with lucid dreaming anymore)
Awesome. Can you still recall that ´´film´´, can you remember the pattern(s) and if you juggled same that you juggle when you really juggle (awake) or better and harder pattern(s), did it feel like real juggling with you controlling, acting & reacting, or did it somehow ´´hover´´, go all by itself, with you being able to watch like your own audience, was it °-.,~°happy°~.,.-°, did you ´´upgrade´´ first step to superhuman juggler, did it impact on your real juggling or did it rather seem as a fulfilment of your real juggling, a confirmation, a validation, a corroboration burnt by and into subconsciousness as affirmation?
The first time I dreamt about juggling was the most memorable. Myself and many friends were lined up to enter jail cells (for some unknown reason, but we were all resigned to it). I was among the first group locked away, but at the time (when awake), I'd often vaguely fantasized about going to jail and juggling all day, every day. I juggled a 3b cascade while sitting on some riser (a crate?). I dropped, the ball went off my foot and rolled out of the cell to a yet-to-be restrained friend of mine. They shot me such a nasty look that it woke me up.
When I was practicing lucid dreaming, I dreamt of practicing 7b cascade (probably half a dozen times or so). I didn't find that it helped, and found that I woke less rested than usual when this happened, so I stopped. Maaaybe this helped me "feel" what it was like to run it, but I doubt it had any real benefit. I was able to slow things down, see things from a third party point of view, etc.
fantasized about going to jail and juggling all day, every day.
I - when awake - sometimes have that martial arts movie-picture ("The snake in the shadow of the Eagle" or sth) of Jackie Chan training (barehanded) in a desert in my mind's eye, or that guy with his nunchucks-like three-parts-staff practising.
Sobers me up a bit that it shouldn't have any practise effect as I imagined. I'd still do it, though :o) (°gee° slomo, zoom at will, third party view - sounds sooo cool!)
Yes, fun question. I remember it vividly.
First time I dreamed of flashing 7 clubs under the low ceilling at the place where I used to take breaks while juggling at the squash courts.
Second time I dreamed doing exactly 50 catches of 9 balls and being really content about my achievment(maybe one day I will really do it, and be satisfied in real life )
Third time, I did 5 connected db97531's with balls while sitting down on a chair.
So cool! Amazing. Did you also feel the juggling in your hands or just rather like watched yourself do it?
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Inverted sprung basic siteswaps
Not as hard as I thought they'd be! Still hardish, though, especially 531 which needs to have VERY precise timing.
Thanks to Julius for showing the world that inverted sprung cascade was possible to do as a solid pattern, and to Quinn Lewis for encouraging me to work on it.
What's the longest toss-juggling endurance you ever did?
(no matter which pattern, which prop)
I hope to find - if many of us vote - how popular or common enduring even is (and for how long).
About 25 years ago I worked for a juggling stall that had a competition which was to juggle 3 x 1.5 Kg Splats as long as possible. I think the winner was about 45 minutes. Shortly after that I tried to match that time with 3 x 1 Kg Absolutes. I matched it but killed my wrists doing it and suffered from tendonitis for quite a while. I'm not sure that endurance is necessarily the way to go but it made for an interesting competition.
What are Splats and Absolutes? I know Absolute rings but they are definitely not 1kg :p
Sounds very painful, can kinda relate, though what you did must have been worse. I did 3 beanbags with wrist weights for 1 hour once, beanbags were just 200g each and weights were 1.5kg each. Still very exhausting.
I did my longest endurance when I had only juggled for two years. It was 20 minutes of 3 clubs cascade. I'm not planning on doing any longer endurance of any pattern.
°oupps° .. a logical inconsistency in the poll again:
..ever did? versus
1. ..don't really now..
( 1. I don't really endure anything ) as "1. I never really endured anything."!
That is how I understood it.
I was thinking, though... If you want to find out how popular endurance is, it might also be interesting to know if people are planning/hoping to achieve longer runs in the future, and how long. I have no desire to spend a lot of time trying to get as long runs as possible any more, but I would like to be able to do patterns for, like, 5 minutes or something. But I guess that wouldn't really count as endurance, it would more be about getting the pattern really solid.
I'm not planning to do anything longer than my 3b 12 minutes. Yes, especially for important basic patterns, 5 minutes is pretty much okay for me too. Yet, with 5 min x 60 sec x ~5~6 throws/sec = ~1,500 throws, that I got near to once only with 5 balls, I still don't feel like really having ``mastered´´ the pattern, it's far from ``like walking´´. So either I'll have to get more runs over 1,000 or indeed do many more throws and minutes. But it's sooo time intensive while learning tricks and other patterns instead is much more rewarding (and hard and challenging enough and worthwhile too).
I have not been close to 5 minutes with any other pattern than 3 objects cascade yet. Could probably do it with a basic passing pattern with the right partner (6 clubs 4-count, 2-count or 3-count). Solo patterns... maybe 423 could work.
I'm definitely not even close with 4 objects, my personal record being just a little bit over 200 catches. But that might actually be a bit of an endurance thing, I do get tired when juggling 4 clubs. Arms starting to get tired before 100 catches, and my pulse is definitely high, too.
Yeah, it's more fun to learn new tricks and patterns than spending lots of time on the ones that already kind of works.
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Ey Marvin, I know I could easily add up the numbers myself, but would you consider posting the total amount of votes next time as well? (22 this time)
If you're interested, you could even go as far as showing the percentage of voters that voted for a particular option. (36% voted for nr6)
Yes, I can include the total number of votes cast. Totting up a few tiny integers for you is an excellent use of my mental capacity. Do you find percentages useful when the total votes is considerably under 100?
And no, I have never been interested in any of these polls.
Here I am, brain the size of a planet. Count they tell me. Call that job satisfaction,'cause I don't.
Antipodism with a head stand
I'll take things I'd never seen for $400, Alex:
(Worth the FB link. Worked on private browsing without a login)
I train in the same space where Jose recorded this. He also has a pretty solid 4 clubs, which I think is even more insane!
I've seen a few examples of inverted antipodism, but if memory serves they were all in head-to-head balance.
Except for Rastelli:
(in case the time link doesn't embed, jump to 1:49)
There is plenty of handstand antipodism. For example that clip Violetta kiss spinning a staff while doing a one arm on Alexander?
Yes, I totally messed up what I was trying to say - I meant head-balance antip.
You are absolutely right - lots of handstands.
Excellent article from David Cain on the related area of inverted juggling:
David Cain, if you're reading this, the photo of Reverhos doing 5 clubs in practice has disappeared.
Activities to keep new jugglers interested at club
I'm considering making some kind of resource of many fun tricks/patterns/games that:
1) Do not require high technical skill (3b cascade is sufficient)
2) Result in the building of skills that are likely to be useful in future juggling
3) ARE FUN
This is inspired by an old workshop handout from Mr E. called 3 Ball Fun With Others, presented at the 2011 IJA.
What are some activities that were fun for you when you were learning to juggle? What are some you've encountered, or thought of since? Interested in individual, newbie-newbie, and newbie-oldie (and with more people, if you have them!) activities.
(I'm aware of the importance of non-juggling things to keep people interested, but that's not what I'm focused on at the moment.)
Bothhand passing large e.g. soccer or basket or volley balls .. a 2 people 2 ball or 3b bothhanded shower or 3b bothhanded cascade ?
Have a lot there to discover: all kinds 'a props, ropes, sticks, lasso, cups, PET bottles to spin into stance, anything. a throw-heights-relations-poster (or drawing) on the wall. an internet connection. a shelf with a few juggling books. big stuff like a rack, big cases, a trampoline, a walking globe.
Do you think there is an optimal time to start teaching different props? It would be a dedicated effort (not a "Hey, what's that?) because our club tends to stick with balls rings clubs poi flowersticks diabolo.
I'm afraid, I have no idea (maybe s.o. else). I was just thinking of beginners who were for the moment ``done´´ with balls and learning the cascade, soas there would be lots of other things to explore.
Finish your sessions as a group with some long (3-5m) endurances! If you drop, pick up and get back in the pattern ASAP. People pick any pattern based on their own skill level.
standard 3b with 4 hands juggling, but back to back
Sitting, rolling down clubs from your knees. getting 5 clubs to roll in a cascade isn't too hard, 3 is super easy and 7 is a fun challenge (which can be mastered in one or two sessions)
If I teach workshops to adults, I get them to try ass catches. Can't go wrong with those
Frisbeeing 3 rings at once stacked like a fan for a partner to catch on arm-head-arm
One of my favorite passing patterns, which can be joined by people who are able to exchange 2 clubs ( 330 ), is the carousell. It requires at least like 4-5 jugglers, it gets more comfortable with 6-7+. With half of them okay jugglers and at least one good one it's not hard to get this running:
One juggler stands on one side (6m free space behind and beside him), runners form a row on the other side. All runners except the outer right one (from runners point of view) will hold 2 clubs, outer right holds 3. Juggler also holds 3. Outer runner(runner 1) and juggler make a pass at the same time, but juggler passes to runner 2. Runner 1 leaves the line, runs behind the other runners and joins them on the left side. Runner 2 receives L, makes one self, and another pass, while juggler passes (in 2count) already to runner 3.
All the runners hold 2 clubs, wait for their one "receive, self, pass", and then run behind to the other end of the line, making them turn in a circle around the juggler and in a circle around each other. Juggler continuously passes in 2 count, but always to the person next to the one from which he/she receives the pass.
It's easy to get it to work once the runners understand "receive, self, pass", and the runners have a lot of time to pick up dropped clubs. If the juggler drops, you can work out how runners can sacrifice their clubs by making a pass even though they haven't received (juggler skips a runner) so that the pattern can keep on going.
Phew, I hope that makes sense, there is probably an easier way to explain this. Like, me acting it out when I'm in your gym...
Hmm, I hadn't even considered the effect of our meetings not having a specific ending time. They're always a "Come around 5:30, juggle until you don't want to anymore". That said, having a particular time for endurance games could be good!
I think the priming by Orin's post made your description very easy to understand. We could of course do a carousell with balls, too!
 But still come visit if you're ever in Ontario
Fly me over with the perfomance budget of your nearest convention, and I'll stick around to teach some mass passing :p
blow up a silk-hanky with accu-hand-fan, max three blowers per re-blow-up, then they step back. upto two hankies per group ?
Two-person-five-object passing is a great way to get 2 people juggling together, while being easier than standard passing.
Juggler A always throws straight (ie. R hand throw to partners L hand) Juggler B always throws diagonally (ie. R hand throw to partners R hand). The pattern goes A-R B-L A-L B-R. Get the better juggler to do the straight throws, as the diagonal throws are easier.
Basic takeouts are a good fun extension of 3 ball juggling for two people. There is the challenge of maintaining a cascade-with-a-hole for the juggler, and the challenge of timing the steals and replacements for the stealer.
Learning to spin 2 rings in opposite directions on the arm is another thing that's easy to explain, not too difficult (and not too easy) to achieve, and readily leads to other ideas.
Ah, I think you've outlined nicely some new metrics for value in your last suggestion. I recall there being a trick like that in the Encyclopaedia, too. Thanks!
As a fairly easy starter game that enhances juggling skills and is fun, volley ball, as opposed to volley club, is much simpler and only really requires you to be able to juggle for a few throws. Games that work well with kids and that might work well with adults include Simon Says, 3 ball Combat and even things like 'What's the time Mr Wolf?',
Running a youth circus group, the things that they learn quickest are all the balance skills (stilts, walking globe, unicycle and tightrope), diabolo and hula hoop. They also enjoy staff, poi and levi stick but it helps if you have someone around who can do more than just the basic tricks.
Ah, never thought of some of those! I think British Bulldog might also be fun.
Wouldn't British Bulldog be a non-juggling game? Or do you propose to make people juggle while they run across avoiding being flattened?
I've been looking for a cleaner, simpler video than this one:
What do people call this? I've searched many variants on "Round and Round" and "Round the World" and just not found anything!
My Search-Fu has failed me - please, links to videos and an agreed name (or small selection of names) would be most helpful.
Thanks in advance!
I'm unable to view that video (from the UK and as a Facebook user). Perhaps others are having the same problem?
... and that's the problem I'm trying to solve - the video is in Facebook, and Facebook is explicitly trying to create a walled-garden, separate from the open and free internet. I'm trying to find a video other than that to show someone, and coming up empty.
The video is of the trick where two people running around each other maintain a single three-ball cascade. I know it as "Round and Round" but I've heard other call it by other names. It's a form of constant/continual takeaway, always from the same side.
Does that help?
And thank you for your reply ... I hope we can solve this.
I think "The Runaround" is a common name for what I'm picturing you describing.
Anyone know if there’s a proposed date for chocfest yet? I can’t see anything in the events listing, but I’m trying to plan my January :)
Damnit! Chocfest have just announced they’re going 20th jan - the one weekend I didn’t want them to go for :(
Sorry, we booked it straight after last Chocfest, but the someone else had already booked our preferred date so we had to go for a week earlier.
Does this mean you might not be coming Paul?
It means I definitely won’t be coming, I’m getting married instead - venue and registrar we’re booked this afternoon.
It also means some of my guest list will have to choose too :(
If only you had announced yesterday!
When I work on inverted sprung cascade, my elbows hurt the next day, even though at the time the pattern feels relaxed and lovely. I've not pushed things lately, but I'd really like to work on this (and some related patterns) harder.
Does anyone have any experience with prehab for elbows? The range of motion certainly isn't straining my flexibility, but would stretching help anyway?
 - this is what ISC looks like, so you can see the particular movements: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXOR0PMloE3/
 - looking for something more than a "it couldn't hurt!" answer here.
Try not to damage your elbows. I've had a recurring sore elbow for the past few weeks.. wasn't sure why, perhaps it's something juggling related. I have been practicing hi-lo inv box recently (still not running it but getting closer). My pain is at the top of my forearm, opposite side of elbow. I had tennis elbow a few years back, it took months to heal! A tennis elbow pressure strap, regular hard self-massaging to the painful area, and Ibuprofen helps alot. Ice is good too. ISC looks really crazy, I don't think many people can do that!
The pain your describing sounds like the same injury I've had a few times, practicing similar patterns. The first time, when I didn't know the warning signs, I was out for ~2-3 months.
Perhaps it's time to invest in a tennis elbow pressure strap. Thanks for the thoughts.
In this trick you're placing sideways stress on a hinge joint. That's never any good, and I don't think you can do much to strenghten that joint.
What you probably can do is stretch and train the muscles around your shoulder to more actively and easily make the outward rotation. A physio/sports therapist should be able to guide you in that!
Interesting, thanks. I've heard other box jugglers talk about shoulders hurting from practicing these types of things, but I've never had any shoulder issues (I guess I'm lucky with those joints!). I'll be sure to be cognizant of that potential injury, though.
I don't think you're potentially injuring your shoulder, I think your shoulder should be capable of taking the impact which is now getting on your elbow. Stretching the shoulder might help it do that!
Lift your arm to the front, and then bend the elbow with your forearm going up, so you're making pretty much the position you hold in the inverted sprung cascade. Now try to rotate your fore arm outwards while keeping the elbow in the same spot in space. This movement comes from the shoulder, not the elbow. However, if the shoulder is incabable of making this move easily, you might put some stress on the elbow joint sideways, which it can't deal with very well. By becoming more flexible, and/or stronger so that you can make the rotation more actively, you could release the stress on the elbow.
Maybe lookup "external shoulder rotation"
Ah, thanks for setting me straight, I had completely misinterpreted.
I've looked up external shoulder rotation, thanks.
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