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Some very Cie Ea Eo moments in this video that I enjoyed very much:
I disagreed immediately. I mean, why would such a smart fellow choose to film in portrait?
— The Void (@TheVoidTLMB) July 14, 2017
I agreed with the preamble, but it got problematic when the actual definition started. But is such a long definition useful?
I followed a little of the Facebook discussion about how this definition had been whittled down to mere pages (or was it reams?). I'll have a look at that if it appears but I don't consider a 15 minute video to be information, especially one which didn't seem to yield a point when I skimmed through it
Barnesy, here you go:
Juggling is a genre of activities related to the default form. The default form is the three ball cascade.
How far does the border have to be from the 3b cascade before it becomes 'not juggling'?
It's not about distance. It is an on or off switch. Is there a relevant relation or not? Is there another genre that has a stronger connection to the subject than 3 ball cascade, or other established forms of juggling?
One thing to always remember, is that we are dealing with communication and the meaning of a word here. For an example, if I walk into a pizza place with another juggler and the pizza chef is throwing the dough around, I could easily start talking to my juggling friend about the pizza tricks as juggling, and he would know immediately what I was saying. If the person I was talking to was a non-juggler, it might be harder, since it is not as certain that he would see a connection to other already established forms of juggling.
Perhaps dance is the default form? I think there's an 'outside' and 'inside' of what juggling is. The inside is - feeling a motion.. a dance. The feeling is the same as dancing, you're using an object/s (balls, poi, pizza etc) to feel the dance instead of your body. Skateboarding is using your body and an object to feel it. The playing of a musical instrument isn't related because of the lack of motion.. you're feeling rhythms & melodies.. but not motion. Does that make any sense? Not sure myself.
Far TL; Can't be bothered to W - but:
Is a definition even useful?
Definitions usually only serve so you can point at things which don't fit the definition and exclude them. Something I haven't been interested in doing with "juggling" for a while
I like the idea of exploring the boundaries of a concept, as it lets you find areas that haven't been explored yet. However, defining what the word juggling means is a different exercise of defining what "juggling is", or can be. Completing the first step is probably useful before beginning the second step.
However, if I'm to watch a long video, it has to be more interesting than that in the first minute for me to continue on with it.
Luke, if you want to claim that the word juggling represents something different than "what juggling is" you will have to explain that difference. The word juggling is only a representative for a concept. I does not matter if you try to leave the area of language and the meaning of words, when you still use language and words. Using words in communication confines you to their meanings, unless you explain how they would differ.
We use the word juggling, and we mean something when we do. Therefore, I did not make a definition. Its already there, I have no say in the matter. I can only describe what the word means already.
Q: Is a definition even useful?
A: Yes, because when we understand deeper what it is that we are doing, we can reach further, and be more effective. We can communicate better. Removing confusion is both pleasant and aesthetical.
"Definitions usually only serve so you can point at things which don't fit the definition and exclude them."
For sure you can come up with more uses to understanding language and the meaning of words, than that one.
Void, I was rushed and time was limited. The purpose of the video is to reveal the general thoughts. I am not great at explaining, and I am afraid those who wants to understand might have to get involved in the discussion. What is unclear? please tell me, and I will do my best to explain. Not only has the definition of juggling been an area of much disagreement, it also seems as the approach to it differs greatly, from person to person.
For those who find this video too long to be palatable, start here:
And here is a summary of the definition, which may or may not make sense unless you watch the whole thing.
"Juggling is a genre of activities which are related to the default form. The default form of juggling is the 3 ball cascade."
Topic of discussion: is the default form really the 3 ball cascade?
I am now tempted to watch the whole thing because that is not something I'd expect from Erik. There must be a lot more to it than that.
I always use the definition: "Doing what doesn't need to be done in the most difficult way possible."
I've tried to find the source of this definition a few times. Earliest reference I can find is from Jerry Carson in 2001, which is almost certainly where I picked it up from originally. However, Jerry's message suggests it comes from further back.
Wouldn't that definition include many other activities such as skateboarding, rock climbing and base jumping?
If someone is interested to read more about the definition of juggling, there is some discussion about it in this thread:
That link didn't work for me but http://objectepisodes.com/t/the-definition-of-juggling/18/2 does.
The Kingston Jugglers have, "Doing the unnecessary the hard way" on their t-shirts and they've been around a while. Greg Phillips would probably know when they started using it.
Slightly different wording from 1993: http://dev.juggle.org/history/archives/jugmags/45-3/45-3,p28.htm 2nd paragraph.
Longtime friends David Cain and Jay Gilligan won the Fargo Intermediate and Juniors Championships
David, are you younger than I think, or is that sentence missing a 'respectively'!
New vids at JTV
A quick plug - there's a poster at JTV ("Belette") who is currently uploading lots of vids (20+ in July, so far) from a few of my favourite sources:
- Festival Mondial de Cirque de Demain
- Le Plus Grand Cabaret du Monde
- Monte Carlo Circus Festival
The clips tend to be from around 15 years ago, so it's not cutting edge stuff, but if, like me, you like high quality acts "off of the telly", here's the channel.
Hey Void, when I try to 'compose' in JTV-Mail I get >>> J-mail Disabled! <<< . Does this mean I have something switched off in my settings, or is the mail service no longer active?
It's not you, it's site-wide. Unfortunately, it was being heavily abused by spammers, so we disabled it. It's something we're looking at fixing later this year, along with other long-overdue updates.
Juggling edge Juggler Share
Hello Juggling Edge! I posted here asking for advice on providing value to the juggling community some time ago. I was met with better advice and suggestions than anywhere else! I've since been providing value to the juggling community on our Juggler Share Instagram and Facebook Page. We share the tricks of incredibly talented jugglers, whether they're popular or not. We hope to shed light on unknown jugglers and provide new jugglers with great and sometimes well known jugglers to inspire themselves with. I have focused less on growing the JugglerShare.com website while I've been adding value through social media. I've decided to get back to the website now that I've found how I'd like to create value within the juggling community. I'm going to be focusing on a sharing our Featured Jugglers in a blog format where they share their inspiring stories. We will reference our social media throughout the website and hope to soon add giveaways,competitions, and more opportunity for sponsorship. If you've read this far I'd love your feedback on the direction of the website and even ideas for the direction of our social media if you have them. Thank you so much! If you have something blunt to say about what we're doing with Juggler Share please don't be afraid to tell us. Sometimes what's blunt is what I need to hear the most. it's alright, and I will always appreciate your taking the time to write.
I think the sharing you do on Instagram is really cool, and with 2800 followers in just 2 months time, it seems others think so too!
First bit of advice: When you're asking for advice, perhaps do so on your own account. Of course you can have a brand name, but here I'd prefer to talk to a person than to an anonymous entity who speaks in plural "we". If it were me, I'd change that on your website "about" page too.
I had that same thought when I got your message with your offer to feature me on your website. Free promotion is cool, but I get more excited to respond to a personal message from a real person. The follow up messages were much nicer!
Now about featuring jugglers on your website:
I think the most important job if you're going to feature jugglers, is making sure that these jugglers are actually being seen. By featuring them on a platform which jugglers already regularly visit, such as instagram and facebook, you're making this easy. If you want to direct your audience to another platform, such as your website, you'll need to provide some content which you can't share anywhere else. If you're going to stick with a single paragraph and a picture, why not create a facebook page for this? I would not regularly check out your website, but I would follow your page in my feed, just like I do with your instagram account.
I don't believe much in giveaways. Unless you're making money by promoting the props you're giving away, or you're having something actually valuable (big store credit in a store with a broad range of goods), I wouldn't do them. I myself am happy with the props I have, and new stuff would just end up in the shelf. Every juggler has different needs, and knows best how to cater them themselves. On top of that it's a lot of hassle with money, sponsorships, shipping worldwide and producing trash.
Competitions can be nice, though I like to prefer to think of "challenges". People need to be motivated to participate, not motivated to win. Think of challenges which are not commonly recorded, but do stretch the technical or creative range of the participants. For example, NORWIK ran a challenge to try to do the slowest 100 catches of 5 balls. Even though many people knew they didn't have a chance of winning, I'm sure many people tried themselves to see how far they could get, and improve. I sure did! Creative challenges are the best, because seeing different "solutions" to the problem makes it worth watching all of the entries. In a technical challenge, watching the winner should suffice.
Announcing a winner is optional, prizes are unnecessary. If your challenge ideas are interesting enough, people will enjoy to participate either way.
And at last, some self promotion:
If you want people to know more about cool jugglers, you can also promote other content that tries to do so ;). Feel free to post about Juggle Jabber episodes if you feel that this would benefit your audience.
Your feedback is pure gold Daniel Simu! I will absolutely talk to people with "I" rather than "we". I've been shying away from saying "I", I guess because I wanted Juggler Share to appear larger in size. It is a "we" effort though, because there are 3 other people involved (Chelsi, Kennedy, and Makanahei) in helping create. I guess a happy medium would be to refer to myself as an editor at Juggler Share and then just talk as myself. I'll checkout my about page and see how it's sounding. Thanks for pointing that out. And I'm glad you enjoyed my messages. I always like to follow up with genuine responses to bios given to me. I read each one before I respond. What you say about featuring jugglers on a Facebook page is an eye opening perspective. I'm going to highly consider switching the bio portion largely to Facebook and adding more content to the bios on my website. And we do have a Facebook page ;) check us out at Juggler Share, trying to get to 1k likes!!
I'd love to promote props and be able to give them away with companies footing the bill. I've talked to many big companies like: Play, Jac Products, Higgins Brothers, etc. but I haven't been able to seal the deal. I'm highly considering becoming a manufacturer myself honestly. Some may think that's crazy, but I'm a competitor by heart.
Now, what you say about challenges and watching a winner is the prize. This is PURE GOLD. It may seem very obvious to some, but what you said coupled with the Nowiks example has gotten my wheels turning.. :)
And I will absolutely mention Juggle Jabber! I think you're a celebrity doing that show and it's what I'd love to do myself! Thank you so much for your perspective. Your advice and time writing this comment is so appreciated and priceless to me.
I've been thinking about those challenges for longer than just today. To further explain my idea, here are some challenge suggestions which I just made up. Feel free to take from them if you like.
I'm looking for things that are relatively accessible (anyone can enter), original (you wouldn't have tried it without the challenge suggesting it), yet interesting (you'd want to try, and see how other people do it)
> Find the most interesting ways to get from juggling 3 to juggling 4 balls
> Make up a trick involving at least one object that changes its shape when thrown (such as something flexible or very soft)
> Make up tricks in which your juggling clubs hit each other
> Which 3 (or more) skills can you do at the same time? (juggling, spinning, balancing, yoyoing, rope skipping, you name it!)
> Film yourself juggling in a location, environment or situation which makes the juggling harder
> Grab a partner and make a 1 prop passing routine!
> What tricks can you do with a diabolo, tangled up in the strings?
> What's your best trick involving a behind the back throw or/and catch?
> Make up a trick involving 10 balls
> How many props can you stack up on a club, balanced on your face?
> Make up a 3 prop trick involving your elbows in some way
> Find the most interesting way to collect from a 5 prop cascade.
If you go down the challenge route it might be worth researching past efforts.
You are probably already aware of David Cain's Dream Tricks Challenge which is focused on encouraging people to push the boundaries. As Daniel has alluded to in his earlier posts try to make your challenges something different.
WJVF was a tongue in cheek 'organisation' of rec.jugglers around 2005 (whatever happened to Arron Gregg?).
Also collaboration is just as good as competition diabolo.ca & the BKA regularly do collaboration videos, the Juggletween project was very nice too.
Thank you for giving me examples of past Challenges. I will be diving into the challenge route you've both described to me. I'm excited for the future. Both yours and Daniel Simu's feedback are priceless to me. I want to be able to help other jugglers in the future the same way you're both helping me! I do my best to help new jugglers in my Juggler Share posts. Thanks for all you do for the juggling community!
Thank you for the wealth of challenge examples! Don't be surprised if I DO use them! I will be experimenting with moving my blog idea to my Facebook page to provide more value there because of what you've suggested. I will let you know how it goes! Thanks again :)
Tendonitis solutions? So having moved to a house with a high ceiling, the inevitable has happened. I've over done the numbers juggling and now have elbow pain in my right arm (inner elbow). Especially bad since the BJC. I've not work on anything over 7 balls since the BJC. Lately I've not been doing much juggling at all but it doesn't seem to be getting better. I've not seen anyone about it yet, but thinking I probably should. Would a GP actually be of any use for this? Are my numbers juggling days over?
I went to my GP when I was in need of physiotherapy (and still in the UK). I didn't have high hopes. But she took the problem seriously and referred me to a physiotherapist without fuss.
That's my anecdata, and unrelated to your problem, but I'd definitely seek help. I think perhaps you can refer yourself too, but I don't know how that works in the UK. Maybe Alby will be along soon...
Of course I've just mentioned physiotherapy and I don't know what a proper treatment might be in this case, but yeah: Go ask.
Thanks. I'm not sure what your physiotherapy was relating to. One of the problems I foresee is that my issue is not debilitating at all for normal everyday activities. It's a sports injury that only hinders my juggling. That's why I'd be concerned that a GP would not take it seriously or would simply tell me to stop. Probably means that I'm unlikely to get any help on the NHS.
Well that's why I was surprised. I was suffering from shoulder problems caused by bad posture and made worse by bad juggling form. My worries were similar to yours but turned out to be unfounded. Your mileage may vary etc.
OK, but did it cause problems with other tasks? The last few days I was moving furniture around, removing doors and carrying them around with no problems. Then I did a bit of 5 clubs and 7 balls and got pain afterwards and the next day.
Yes, it was causing occasional problems with general movement. But my GP, who I saw when the problem wasnt causing pain, wanted to refer me because I had said it was keeping me from juggling. Of course I went in there talking about sometimes not being able to stand up, but then the conversation moved into talk of my doubts about wanting to talk to a Dr about juggling.
And yeah, I waited months for an NHS physio. Was pleased with the treatment I got in the end.
Hi. I'm sure I'll add to this later but if GP doesn't take it seriously then ask them directly for physio referral. Round my way people are self referring to NHS physio. There's a wait but you'd still get seen. Failing that get an appt at a sports physio - local costs here are between £35 and £50 for an initial assessment. Quicker and easier and no Dr referral needed.
Thanks. I think a sports physio is the way to go. Sounds like it could get expensive though.
I don't know how these things work in the UK, but I indeed never get any good advice from "normal" doctors and physio therapists. They tell me to stop, or they tell me it's not a big deal, even though it's my job to perform.
For anything I'll go to my sports physiotherapist, which is the one every circus artist goes to in Rotterdam. He has so many clients from the circus school that I always meet friends when I'm there... But any sports physio might be able to take your request seriously?
That sucks so bad :( I find it strange you got it in the elbow- all other jugglers I know incuding myself have only ever got it in the wrist. My only real suggestion is to perhaps find the lightest versions of all the props you can get- for instance I know of several people who never got problems again after switching to Norwiks.
I think the damage was done with 11 ball training. It's the speed and sudden change in direction of the upper arm, not the weight of the props.
Oh ok that makes sense... I don't practice numbers because I find they are very straining. Maybe let it recover and the only work on 5-7 ball patterns?
Yes you can go to your GP about this ( speaking as one), worth asking about physio first, if your GP has this( quite new cross the country) you may be able to book in directly.
It sounds like you may have golfers' elbow, (without seeing you.) if so there are good excerises on The Summit Medical Group website
Thanks. The web page looks useful. If it helps diagnosis, pain usually happens when I face my palm upwards and tense my bicep.
Peter, what is it going to cost you to see a GP in person?
So what have you got to lose by trying. Give the NHS a chance, you live in a first world country with a health service that is free at the point of use - so why are you messing about with text based remote diagnosis over the internet?
I wouldn't rely on text based diagnosis exclusively. I've already contacted an NHS physio as I said. My local GP is very busy and I don't want to take up their time if I can go straight to a physio. Normally if I want to see the GP I call as soon as the phone lines open, wait 10 minutes to reach the front of the queue and then get told that there are no appointments left for today and to try again tomorrow, unless it's a serious problem, which this isn't. It may take several weeks to get to see a physio, so any exercises that may help in the meantime are helpful.
Juggle Jabber with Triolar: Liza, Anna and Ronja
You might not know these 3 girls yet, but you will soon! They have a lot of cool original passing stuff going on, and Liza is an amazing solo juggler too!
I had a lot of fun recording this interview, and I thought you might have fun watching too :)
Were they the ones who put out a beautifully filmed video about half a year ago? Lots of juggling in fields, I think, and directed attention well?
If you mean this, then yes
I put the video in the eJuggle article, but since most people go straight to youtube I should find a way to include some video material of the jugglers in the interview video...
Thanks! I'd googled a bit but couldn't find it.
I wonder how many people would click on an ezine article rather than a Youtube video here. On most internet forums I imagine that far fewer would, but that margin may be smaller on jugglingedge. Personally, I didn't expect there to be any value-added on the ezine article (like with Dan Holzman's Drop Everythings) so it didn't strike me to look there.
Sadly I have no insight in the ejuggle statistics. I also don't know how many people listen to the podcast version, or how many people are not listening now that we're temporarily not on iTunes... Btw it turns out it is so much easier (thanks to youtube) to publish a video series than to publish a podcast!
Daniel wanted a photo of a painting of a juggler, and I ended up with doing an unofficial Riga Circus history tour:
Oh no! I watched the first bit this morning and wanted to watch the second bit right now!
Btw, those photos are really good, thank you so much!
This past weekend I was in Bergamo, Italy for the Rastelli Festival 2017. I made a video. Enjoy!
Hello I'm new here, please love and welcome me!
I'm almost a beginner at juggling but am earnestly practising to overcome that identity ;)
I like chocolate.
I'm looking forward to becoming a part of your community here, you seem like a nice enough lot of folks.
I'm rather partial to lindt lindor truffles at the moment, which isn't a particularly cheap habit.
Can't get enough of Vego Hazelnut vegan chocolate bar myself, also not very cheap.
I'm not one for chocolate milk I'm afraid. I feel it ruins the chocolate, and the milk.
Conscious Chocolate make the very best organic raw handmade expensive chocolate. and also I like Terry's. and also Lindt 90% dark chocolate, and mini eggs, and Cadbury's Dairy Milk, and Galaxy, and Galaxy caramel, and mint Matchmakers, and Crunchies! and Kinder eggs and also Toblerone.
I just love chocolate.
I also like cacao ceremonies.
Yes, I have tried the Mint Conscious Chocolate, it is very good, but indeed super expensive.
They were giving it out for free at the door to the Mind Body Spirit festival in London a few weeks ago. So obviously I made friends with the guy on the door so I could keep going back for more :D
Hi & welcome Phranchesskah! .. "seem nice enough" .. Haha! .. wait 'til you get to know us better ;o]p
Welcome to the Edge
You should come to Chocfest in January in York, we have a mini festival of juggling and chocolate.
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