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Jupiterian -

Hi everyone I'm new here!

But I'm not a brand new juggler. I've been juggling for maybe 3 years, but I can only do 3 balls right now and I'm limited in my tricks as well. Mills mess is a trick I like the look of and plan to try out sooooonish. I also enjoy doing tightrope when I get a chance bit I don't own one due to them being super expensive, and my short term goal in terms of that is to learn to slack line instead for now. That probably won't happen until winter is over though...

I'm better at poi though! I can do 7-beat forwards, 5-beat backwards, 4-beat anti-fountain albeit a little awkwardly (as opposed to 2x2 anti-fountain) and I guess some other stuff but those are my show off-y numbers. I'm hoping to learn some cool contact stuff so that less of my tricks are 'different ways of making circles', since I love to show off, and sometimes circles aren't the coolest shapes around. It was my birthday yesterday and I was supposed to post this then, but apparently if you party, time passes so it's no longer my birthday :( either way, I'm probably going to get some fire poi for my birthday from my family!

A trick I'm currently trying to do with poi involves reaching an arm behind your back to spin the poi in front of you again. It's going very well so far except the part where I hit myself in the face. *shrug* I mostly wish I knew what the trick was called. It is split time, and each hand goes from reaching in front of the body to make a circle at the back to reaching behind the body to make a circle at the front and they alternate.

I'm also interested in practicing staff more! I'm very inspired by a guy called Austin that does some incredible contact staff at my juggling club fever. Maybe he's not the best in the world, but he makes it look effortless and cool and I wish I could make it look as good as him!

Also I believe I'm going to get a puppy hammer which seems super fun (don't worry, I won't be hurting any small animals hahaha) and also looks pretty hard! So when I get those I'll probably come here with All of my questions!

I'm here for some somewhat serious issues too, which right now is pretty much fire safety. I belong to the committee of #fever and we've been allowed to do fire as a society for years. Recently a member of committee changed some rules, and now according to him, we have to rewrite the whole rules and risk assessment. It's very tempting to just use the old one again, but I don't know how acceptable that is. Hopefully by the end of this all though, we'll have a fantastic risk assessment and set of rules for our events. I'll probably make a thread dedicated to this in the future, but if you could send me your own risk assessment from which I can [gain inspiration] that would be incredible and deeply appreciated.

Finally, I live in the UK and I've been to camvention this year and two years ago, and that's my only conventions so far. I'm planning on going to BJC though! Please do tempt me into going to more conventions though :>

By the way, unrelated to juggling, it feels so nice to be on a forum again. It feels like home!

I believe this is all I want to say! Hello everyone, thank you for reading my long intro post, and thank you for having me!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Hi Jupiter!

Welcome. What is a puppy hammer?

Danny Colyer - - Parent

I hope it's not the same as a kitten hammer :-O

Jupiterian - - Parent

Hahaha, I had to look that up. I wish :> It's apparently also known as an oxbow. It's a very long piece of rope that wraps around your arms, and you can use it as poi, and if you unwrap it you can use it like a super long meteor or like contact staff. I saw one at my last convention and tried it out, it was pretty hard.

The Void - - Parent

Excellent. But those are clearly kitten axes.
(I don't have to draw a graph, do I?)

Monte - - Parent

''the hammer of the Gods
will drive our ships to new lands''

The ginger cat has a hammer in one hand and an axe in the other.

Monte - - Parent

''paw''

The Void - - Parent

Actually, they are both weilding the same weapons. But, on closer inspection, I may have to concede. Damn, hammered.

The Void - - Parent

Meanwhile, back on topic...
"Please do tempt me into going to more conventions though :>"
Welcome to The Edge. And "Come to Bungay!", where you can hear me and Monte banter in person. Or (just perhaps more temptingly) you can juggle 24 hours, play games, fly kites, consume coffee; cake; chilli, chill, visit local sites/seaside, in whatever proportion suits you. Longest juggling convention in the world! http://bungayballsup.com

Monte - - Parent

Back off topic. The vid is historically incorrect. Everyone knows Viking kittens didn't wear horned helmets.

Jupiterian - - Parent

I saw this on Facebook, it looks very nice especially 10 days, I even thought BJC looked very long. I think I'll see how BJC goes, and decide then!
It's nice to meet you by the way and I look forward to the banter!

Rosie -

I'm organising an upcoming juggling event. Its called CATCH!
Its a juggling convention but its also being called a circus festival sometimes, because muggles are easily confused and put off by formal sounding titles, but there you go.

Its in Cumbria, July 23rd-27th. Sunny, warm weather is pre-ordered!

I hope people can make it to the event, it promises to be full of fun, and juggling!
Shared it on jugglinghome and jugglingrock and various other facebook places, it has a page on here too.

email catchjugglingfestival@gmail.com if you have any questions or want to help or want to perform, or anything. Or if you know me then you can just get in touch.

Who thinks they'll be coming!????

mike.armstrong - - Parent

I'll be there - looking forward to it!

JonPeat - - Parent

I heard a vicious rumour that Kris Kremo is booked for the Gala Show...

See you there!

DavidCain - - Parent

I heard a vicious rumor that David Cain has been booked to perform the Juggling History Show.

JonPeat - - Parent

No way!
I heard a vicious rumor (I checked the spelling of rumor/rumour and didn't reach a definitive conclusion...)the the juggling museum might be coming over, but I didn't hear the one about the Juggling History Show!
That is quite juicy.

Little Paul - - Parent

I heard a viscous rumour

slowly

DavidCain - - Parent

The museum is far too large to bring over and that was a mistaken rumor that got out there. We're still working out the kinks for the Juggling History Show, but I think it's going to happen.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Sounds fun, I wish I was still in the UK then....

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Oops:

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(in reply to RCPT TO command)

I think you probably meant "catchjugglingfestival2018@gmail.com" :-)

Rosie - - Parent

YES! good spot! ok everyone, the *real* email is: catchjugglingfestival2018@gmail.com.....that first one was a test ;)

(curse my speedy typing and failure to double check!)

7b_wizard -

Did you ever - as far as you're aware, of course - dream that you toss*-juggle?

    Yes:
  1. Yes. Often or sometimes and with clear memory of it.
  2. Yes, often or sometimes, but memory is dim or I forget soon or right after after waking up.
  3. Yes, once or twice. Clearly.
  4. Yes, once or twice. Dimly.

  5. Somewhat \ Maybe:
  6. Not really - only single throws and catches. Or only throws to drops. Or only slightly very shortly losing physical contact to the prop before catching it again rightaway.
  7. I think so, but I'm not sure 'cos the memory of it is dim and nebulous or mixed up.

  8. No \ Rather not:
  9. I dream of conventions or of meetings or of folks or of being in a gym or of any juggling setup or of being onstage or of having an audience or of having my props with me and in reach and getting ready, but astonishingly never do or can't manage to actually really toss and really juggle one single throw.
  10. Could have been possible, can't exclude, might have, but any corresponding memory is too dim and nebulous to really tell. Rather not.
  11. Definitely, not that I know. No memory of the kind. Nowhere near.

  12. [ other ]


*"toss" - or fly and catch a diabolo, or run a devilstick, or foot- or knee-juggle a soccer ball, headbounces, or also scarve-juggling, .. anything where you lose physical contact to your prop. And catching, or at least the intention to catch, should be included. - So, I'd like contact-juggling, contact-staff, spinning, twirling, balancing and alike to be excluded.

This is a competition thread which ran from 19th Nov 2017 to 26th Nov 2017. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm 7. Would love to improve over night, though. Also forgot to include the choice "Constantly, it's unnerving, I wake up from it everytime I drop." lol

I can - not while dreaming, but when awake - visualize throws (and then upto where they fly until I do the next throw to focus on, which is about to their apex), but then don't know where the balls are for catching (they sort of fade or vanish in a still life from where I last pictured them), .. so, when visualizing more rounds after launch, I have to take the catches for granted (and from seeing balls at launch before my mind's eye, I go over to instead feeling my handmovement + thrust + aiming or so). [ #dream #visualize ]

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I think I've only ever dreamt of juggling once. I dream of juggling conventions fairly often. There frequently isn't any juggling in the juggling convention dreams, but I know I'm at a juggling convention. I'll give myself a 7.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Okay. Sounds more like "maybe, rather yes" to me(?). Then maybe 3. or 4, (both definite "yes"), if you're sure, you did, or 6. if you're you're not all sure, but positively think you did, would fit better? - 7. was really more meant as an "almost, but definitely not" .. everything is ready and setup to juggle, but you don't or can't or don't know how (the emphasis is not on the surroundings-story, but just to elude on "nearly could and should've but it didn't happen"). Actually, I meant the poll to find out how many are even able to juggle while dreaming. (But, hey, whatever you think! I'm happy about everyone who finds a choice that fits him.)

7b_wizard - - Parent

It's not all clear: does "you think" in "I think I've only ever dreamt of juggling once." refer to "dreamt of juggling" or to "ever only once"? Do or do you not have a memory of indeed yourself juggling?

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

I've definitely dreamt about juggling conventions. I may have dreamt about actual juggling. I don't usually remember my dreams well nor conversations about them. I slightly remember discussing having a juggling dream that wasn't the usual so I think I may have been juggling in it. Or perhaps I actually saw juggling (as the convention dreams don't usually (or ever?) have juggling in them. It's all a bit hazy for sure. I'm a definite 7 and maybe a 4 but I won't commit to that.

Maria - - Parent

I have dreamt I was passing clubs at least twice. I don't remember details (like what pattern or passing partners) but I think I remembered a bit more right after I woke up. I believe I woke up in the middle of the pattern, not after dropping. Good dreams. :)

I'll put that as a 4.

Have definitely dreamt of juggling conventions a few times, too. At least more times than about actual juggling... As far as I can remember, of course.

Maria - - Parent

...and shortly after I wrote that answer I slept and dreamed about working out new take-out passing patterns (on paper and by walking through the moves) together with another passer that I know from conventions. I know who the other juggler was but not what pattern we were working on. No actual juggling in that dream, though.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Double yes:
First without effort, and second when I was learning to lucid dream.

(I don't bother with lucid dreaming anymore)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Awesome. Can you still recall that ´´film´´, can you remember the pattern(s) and if you juggled same that you juggle when you really juggle (awake) or better and harder pattern(s), did it feel like real juggling with you controlling, acting & reacting, or did it somehow ´´hover´´, go all by itself, with you being able to watch like your own audience, was it °-.,~°happy°~.,.-°, did you ´´upgrade´´ first step to superhuman juggler, did it impact on your real juggling or did it rather seem as a fulfilment of your real juggling, a confirmation, a validation, a corroboration burnt by and into subconsciousness as affirmation?

Mike Moore - - Parent

The first time I dreamt about juggling was the most memorable. Myself and many friends were lined up to enter jail cells (for some unknown reason, but we were all resigned to it). I was among the first group locked away, but at the time (when awake), I'd often vaguely fantasized about going to jail and juggling all day, every day. I juggled a 3b cascade while sitting on some riser (a crate?). I dropped, the ball went off my foot and rolled out of the cell to a yet-to-be restrained friend of mine. They shot me such a nasty look that it woke me up.

When I was practicing lucid dreaming, I dreamt of practicing 7b cascade (probably half a dozen times or so). I didn't find that it helped, and found that I woke less rested than usual when this happened, so I stopped. Maaaybe this helped me "feel" what it was like to run it, but I doubt it had any real benefit. I was able to slow things down, see things from a third party point of view, etc.

7b_wizard - - Parent

fantasized about going to jail and juggling all day, every day.

I - when awake - sometimes have that martial arts movie-picture ("The snake in the shadow of the Eagle" or sth) of Jackie Chan training (barehanded) in a desert in my mind's eye, or that guy with his nunchucks-like three-parts-staff practising.

Nice story!

Sobers me up a bit that it shouldn't have any practise effect as I imagined. I'd still do it, though :o) (°gee° slomo, zoom at will, third party view - sounds sooo cool!)

Jan Poolen - - Parent

Yes, fun question. I remember it vividly.
First time I dreamed of flashing 7 clubs under the low ceilling at the place where I used to take breaks while juggling at the squash courts.
Second time I dreamed doing exactly 50 catches of 9 balls and being really content about my achievment(maybe one day I will really do it, and be satisfied in real life )
Third time, I did 5 connected db97531's with balls while sitting down on a chair.
Sweet dreams

7b_wizard - - Parent

So cool! Amazing. Did you also feel the juggling in your hands or just rather like watched yourself do it?

Marvin - - Parent

This competition has now ended with 11 votes cast. The results are:

  1.   Yes. Often or sometimes and with clear memory of it. (2 votes)
  2.   Yes, often or sometimes, but memory is dim or I forget soon or right after after waking up. (0 votes)
  3.   Yes, once or twice. Clearly. (2 votes)
  4.   Yes, once or twice. Dimly. (1 vote)
  5.   Not really - only single throws and catches. Or only throws to drops. Or only slightly very shortly losing physical contact to the prop before catching it again rightaway. (1 vote)
  6.   I think so, but I'm not sure 'cos the memory of it is dim and nebulous or mixed up. (1 vote)
  7.   I dream of conventions or of meetings or of folks or of being in a gym or of any juggling setup or of being onstage or of having an audience or of having my props with me and in reach and getting ready, but astonishingly never do or can't manage to actually really toss and really juggle one single throw. (1 vote)
  8.   Could have been possible, can't exclude, might have, but any corresponding memory is too dim and nebulous to really tell. Rather not. (0 votes)
  9.   Definitely, not that I know. No memory of the kind. Nowhere near. (3 votes)
  10.   [ other ] (0 votes)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Yeah Marvin, you did the thing!

Greg Mills -

Hey ya’ll!

I’m currently trying to get 5 balls and working on my club double flips. My last practice was Monday evening at the Camp Juggle Monster Lake event in Concord, NC. This Sunday I’ll be at the regular meeting of the Lake Norman Jugglers. My next festival will the Groundhog Day festival in Atlanta.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Welcome! It feels like yesterday when I was attending regular meetings, going to festivals and working on my 5b and 3c doubles... Have fun!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Howdy!

7b_wizard -

What's the longest toss-juggling endurance you ever did?

(no matter which pattern, which prop)

  1. I don't really endure anything
  2. less than a minute
  3. between 1 and 3 min
  4. between 3 and 5 min
  5. between 5 and 10 min
  6. between 10 and 30 min
  7. between 30 min and 1 h
  8. between 1 and 4 h
  9. marathon, more than 4 h


I hope to find - if many of us vote - how popular or common enduring even is (and for how long).

This is a competition thread which ran from 9th Nov 2017 to 16th Nov 2017. View results.

It's Him - - Parent

About 25 years ago I worked for a juggling stall that had a competition which was to juggle 3 x 1.5 Kg Splats as long as possible. I think the winner was about 45 minutes. Shortly after that I tried to match that time with 3 x 1 Kg Absolutes. I matched it but killed my wrists doing it and suffered from tendonitis for quite a while. I'm not sure that endurance is necessarily the way to go but it made for an interesting competition.

Nigel

Daniel Simu - - Parent

What are Splats and Absolutes? I know Absolute rings but they are definitely not 1kg :p

The Void - - Parent

Big beanbags.

Ameron Rosvall - - Parent

Sounds very painful, can kinda relate, though what you did must have been worse. I did 3 beanbags with wrist weights for 1 hour once, beanbags were just 200g each and weights were 1.5kg each. Still very exhausting.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Longest endurances have been my worst dropless joggling races

Maria - - Parent

I did my longest endurance when I had only juggled for two years. It was 20 minutes of 3 clubs cascade. I'm not planning on doing any longer endurance of any pattern.

7b_wizard - - Parent

°oupps° .. a logical inconsistency in the poll again: ..ever did? versus 1. ..don't really now..

Please read ( 1. I don't really endure anything ) as "1. I never really endured anything."!

Maria - - Parent

That is how I understood it.
I was thinking, though... If you want to find out how popular endurance is, it might also be interesting to know if people are planning/hoping to achieve longer runs in the future, and how long. I have no desire to spend a lot of time trying to get as long runs as possible any more, but I would like to be able to do patterns for, like, 5 minutes or something. But I guess that wouldn't really count as endurance, it would more be about getting the pattern really solid.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm not planning to do anything longer than my 3b 12 minutes. Yes, especially for important basic patterns, 5 minutes is pretty much okay for me too. Yet, with 5 min x 60 sec x ~5~6 throws/sec = ~1,500 throws, that I got near to once only with 5 balls, I still don't feel like really having ``mastered´´ the pattern, it's far from ``like walking´´. So either I'll have to get more runs over 1,000 or indeed do many more throws and minutes. But it's sooo time intensive while learning tricks and other patterns instead is much more rewarding (and hard and challenging enough and worthwhile too).

Maria - - Parent

I have not been close to 5 minutes with any other pattern than 3 objects cascade yet. Could probably do it with a basic passing pattern with the right partner (6 clubs 4-count, 2-count or 3-count). Solo patterns... maybe 423 could work.
I'm definitely not even close with 4 objects, my personal record being just a little bit over 200 catches. But that might actually be a bit of an endurance thing, I do get tired when juggling 4 clubs. Arms starting to get tired before 100 catches, and my pulse is definitely high, too.

Yeah, it's more fun to learn new tricks and patterns than spending lots of time on the ones that already kind of works.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Mine was 12+ minutes of 3b cascade.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

2360c of 5b. that would be about 10m I suppose

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

1 - 3 minutes..

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   I don't really endure anything (0 votes)
  2.   less than a minute (0 votes)
  3.   between 1 and 3 min (1 vote)
  4.   between 3 and 5 min (1 vote)
  5.   between 5 and 10 min (4 votes)
  6.   between 10 and 30 min (8 votes)
  7.   between 30 min and 1 h (6 votes)
  8.   between 1 and 4 h (2 votes)
  9.   marathon, more than 4 h (0 votes)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Ey Marvin, I know I could easily add up the numbers myself, but would you consider posting the total amount of votes next time as well? (22 this time)
If you're interested, you could even go as far as showing the percentage of voters that voted for a particular option. (36% voted for nr6)

Marvin - - Parent

Yes, I can include the total number of votes cast. Totting up a few tiny integers for you is an excellent use of my mental capacity. Do you find percentages useful when the total votes is considerably under 100?

And no, I have never been interested in any of these polls.

Monte - - Parent

Here I am, brain the size of a planet. Count they tell me. Call that job satisfaction,'cause I don't.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

It's not so much about a percentage as it is about quickly seeing that about one third of the voters voted for number 6, which is not easy to see right now. Of course, as a statistic it is near meaningless with such few participants.

7b_wizard -

Hi everyone,
what are single things or tricks or gimmicks or moves that you only rarely - about once or twice per day or less and only one attempt or at most two or max three - take a chance on? During practise or with everyday objects.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Those tend to be tricks that I hit 90% of the time so I don't need to practice them, but they do take effort so I don't do them every other second. A scorpion kick, or an ass catch, things like that I guess.

Mike Moore -

Antipodism with a head stand

I'll take things I'd never seen for $400, Alex:

https://www.facebook.com/jose.hugo.102/posts/10210487010914965

(Worth the FB link. Worked on private browsing without a login)

Orinoco - - Parent

Wow, that is pretty special.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Is it wrong that I mainly notice the clothing choices?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I train in the same space where Jose recorded this. He also has a pretty solid 4 clubs, which I think is even more insane!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Queer skill, queer onsight. Awesome!

bad1dobby - - Parent

I've seen a few examples of inverted antipodism, but if memory serves they were all in head-to-head balance.

Except for Rastelli:
https://youtu.be/mowNKg1vhl8?t=1m49s
(in case the time link doesn't embed, jump to 1:49)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

There is plenty of handstand antipodism. For example that clip Violetta kiss spinning a staff while doing a one arm on Alexander?

bad1dobby - - Parent

Yes, I totally messed up what I was trying to say - I meant head-balance antip.

You are absolutely right - lots of handstands.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Thanks for this (and the David Cain) link!

bad1dobby - - Parent

Excellent article from David Cain on the related area of inverted juggling:
https://www.juggle.org/inverted-toss-and-bounce-juggling/

David Cain, if you're reading this, the photo of Reverhos doing 5 clubs in practice has disappeared.

The Void - - Parent

More Rodolfo Reyes just popped up on JTV:
http://juggling.tv/16698

Daniel Simu -

Not all juggling, but I wanted to share what I've been up to with you guys any way. I hope you enjoy this quick promo video :)

https://youtu.be/jm00mrnaDrk

bad1dobby - - Parent

Nice 'feet hook' in the table routine - is that your own invention? I'm familiar with the move a la Swing Bros, but I've not seen it done by both together.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Funny that you mention the table routine, which is fairly common. The ladder routine on the contrary is completely original, as far as we are aware nobody has ever worked with that kind of structure!

I checked with my partner Berl, but he doesn't remember if he invented it (with his previous partner Thijs) or if he took it from somewhere. They were mostly self thought, so I'd say there is a good chance they made it up, but it isn't too hard so wouldn't more people have made it up too?

bad1dobby - - Parent

What can I say? New moves excite me more than new apparatus. ;) I'd love to see your ladder routine though.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Secret link for underground community coming up:

https://youtu.be/l6Q91M46uYI

bad1dobby - - Parent

Nice! The see-saw is an excellent addition to the genre.

Not sure if you're looking for feedback. I had a couple of thoughts - I'll drop them in an email.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'm still waiting for your email :p

Dee - - Parent

I really enjoyed that. Perhaps not as much as some of the children, they were properly "into it".

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks Dee! I wouldn't expect anyone watching the video to get really "into it", it's a thing best seen live. If the adults are not going to laugh about us, they will laugh about the children falling over the edge of the ring, making sure that everyone gets "it" in the end ;)

Little Paul - - Parent

I enjoyed that a lot

7b_wizard - - Parent

Wow! .. when it became dangerous, I watched mouth open like a 5yo.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks for all the responses guys, I hadn't expected so much encouragement on a juggling forum :p.

And yes, unlike many skills which I have performed, this one is as (or even more) dangerous as it looks, haha

7b_wizard - - Parent

Aside from admiring the high saults/jumps an' all, I particularly wondered if you don't clinch/clamp your hand between the two ladders when they clap together while you're holding onto one? Is there enough space in between or did you have to train to grip right in order to not pinch your hand?

7b_wizard - - Parent

*("saults/jumps") - STUNTS ! .. I wanted to say stunts!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Which moment do you mean? In the seesaw finale? There is no moment when our hands are at risk

7b_wizard - - Parent

Meant 3:33, where you walk all over the whole seesaw and land in handstand on it, and also 3:59, always when the seesawing ladder claps on the standing part.

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. also 4:03. And it's rather Berl, I reckon.

Thom! -

Headbounce tutorial!

Hey friends!

I wrote a little blog post that talks about fundamental headbounce technique. Curious to hear if you have any thoughts on the matter that I may have missed ("adding the juggle" will come in a later article.)

http://thomwall.com/lets-bounce-ball-heads/

Hope you dig it!

-Thom

Orinoco - - Parent

Let’s close that third eyeball up and bounce a ball on it.

Hahahaha!

I learnt to bounce a ball on my head for ~20 bounces a while ago, but I dismissed going further as, "not worth the effort". Then I was pretty much entirely put off by hearing an anecdote of an amazing head bouncer that performed at one of the Israeli Juggling Conventions, he was doing lots of amazing things like bouncing a rugby ball consistently but someone who spoke to him said that he could barely string a sentence together. I believe there have been studies on the long term damage caused to football (soccer) players from header training. While I do love juggling, I'm not willing to risk (further) brain damage.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Spare a thought for the Chinese pot jugglers who catch those very large ceramic pots on their heads.

Back in the day, I knew some people who had trained with a Chinese troupe - the pot juggler was affectionately known as Lumpy because of the callouses on his head. Part of his training regime was to stand with his head pushing against the corner of a wall to make/maintain a groove for catching the pot on its edge, like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tk09cW4HR08/hqdefault.jpg

From all accounts he was a very sweet guy, but definitely not the sharpest tool in the box...

Orinoco - - Parent

Part of his training regime was to stand with his head pushing against the corner of a wall to make/maintain a groove

Holy crap!

I used to think I was dedicated because I used to put a lot of hours in... Definitely not willing to mutilate myself for my craft.

bad1dobby - - Parent

If you take away the brain-damage aspect, it could probably be argued that it's not so far removed from weight-training to increase strength/stamina.

Although, when you stop weight training your muscles return to their 'normal' size. I'm not so sure about a groove in the skull...

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Oof! I had never heard of that, but a quick google confirms that there is football heading research suggesting negative effects indeed. Now the impact of a headbouncing ball is much less than that of a football, especially of a light one, but the repetetion probably much higher. I wonder if there is a way to reasonably predict the effect of low impact high repetition brain shakes?

Orinoco - - Parent

Relevant programme from the BBC: Alan Shearer: Demntia, Football and Me, available on iPlayer. Alan Shearer has agreed to donate his brain to medical research once he's finished using it.

Mike Moore -

Activities to keep new jugglers interested at club

I'm considering making some kind of resource of many fun tricks/patterns/games that:

1) Do not require high technical skill (3b cascade is sufficient)
2) Result in the building of skills that are likely to be useful in future juggling
3) ARE FUN

This is inspired by an old workshop handout from Mr E. called 3 Ball Fun With Others, presented at the 2011 IJA.

What are some activities that were fun for you when you were learning to juggle? What are some you've encountered, or thought of since? Interested in individual, newbie-newbie, and newbie-oldie (and with more people, if you have them!) activities.

(I'm aware of the importance of non-juggling things to keep people interested, but that's not what I'm focused on at the moment.)

Orinoco - - Parent

The Circle Game!!!

Mike Moore - - Parent

Oooo, wonderful! Thanks!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Bothhand passing large e.g. soccer or basket or volley balls .. a 2 people 2 ball or 3b bothhanded shower or 3b bothhanded cascade ?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Have a lot there to discover: all kinds 'a props, ropes, sticks, lasso, cups, PET bottles to spin into stance, anything. a throw-heights-relations-poster (or drawing) on the wall. an internet connection. a shelf with a few juggling books. big stuff like a rack, big cases, a trampoline, a walking globe.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Do you think there is an optimal time to start teaching different props? It would be a dedicated effort (not a "Hey, what's that?) because our club tends to stick with balls rings clubs poi flowersticks diabolo.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I'm afraid, I have no idea (maybe s.o. else). I was just thinking of beginners who were for the moment ``done´´ with balls and learning the cascade, soas there would be lots of other things to explore.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Finish your sessions as a group with some long (3-5m) endurances! If you drop, pick up and get back in the pattern ASAP. People pick any pattern based on their own skill level.

standard 3b with 4 hands juggling, but back to back

Sitting, rolling down clubs from your knees. getting 5 clubs to roll in a cascade isn't too hard, 3 is super easy and 7 is a fun challenge (which can be mastered in one or two sessions)

If I teach workshops to adults, I get them to try ass catches. Can't go wrong with those

Frisbeeing 3 rings at once stacked like a fan for a partner to catch on arm-head-arm

One of my favorite passing patterns, which can be joined by people who are able to exchange 2 clubs ( 330 ), is the carousell. It requires at least like 4-5 jugglers, it gets more comfortable with 6-7+. With half of them okay jugglers and at least one good one it's not hard to get this running:
One juggler stands on one side (6m free space behind and beside him), runners form a row on the other side. All runners except the outer right one (from runners point of view) will hold 2 clubs, outer right holds 3. Juggler also holds 3. Outer runner(runner 1) and juggler make a pass at the same time, but juggler passes to runner 2. Runner 1 leaves the line, runs behind the other runners and joins them on the left side. Runner 2 receives L, makes one self, and another pass, while juggler passes (in 2count) already to runner 3.
All the runners hold 2 clubs, wait for their one "receive, self, pass", and then run behind to the other end of the line, making them turn in a circle around the juggler and in a circle around each other. Juggler continuously passes in 2 count, but always to the person next to the one from which he/she receives the pass.
It's easy to get it to work once the runners understand "receive, self, pass", and the runners have a lot of time to pick up dropped clubs. If the juggler drops, you can work out how runners can sacrifice their clubs by making a pass even though they haven't received (juggler skips a runner) so that the pattern can keep on going.

Phew, I hope that makes sense, there is probably an easier way to explain this. Like, me acting it out when I'm in your gym...

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hmm, I hadn't even considered the effect of our meetings not having a specific ending time. They're always a "Come around 5:30, juggle until you don't want to anymore". That said, having a particular time for endurance games could be good!

I think the priming by Orin's post made your description very easy to understand[1]. We could of course do a carousell with balls, too!

[1] But still come visit if you're ever in Ontario

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Fly me over with the perfomance budget of your nearest convention, and I'll stick around to teach some mass passing :p

7b_wizard - - Parent

blow up a silk-hanky with accu-hand-fan, max three blowers per re-blow-up, then they step back. upto two hankies per group ?

bad1dobby - - Parent

Two-person-five-object passing is a great way to get 2 people juggling together, while being easier than standard passing.
Juggler A always throws straight (ie. R hand throw to partners L hand) Juggler B always throws diagonally (ie. R hand throw to partners R hand). The pattern goes A-R B-L A-L B-R. Get the better juggler to do the straight throws, as the diagonal throws are easier.

Basic takeouts are a good fun extension of 3 ball juggling for two people. There is the challenge of maintaining a cascade-with-a-hole for the juggler, and the challenge of timing the steals and replacements for the stealer.

Learning to spin 2 rings in opposite directions on the arm is another thing that's easy to explain, not too difficult (and not too easy) to achieve, and readily leads to other ideas.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Ah, I think you've outlined nicely some new metrics for value in your last suggestion. I recall there being a trick like that in the Encyclopaedia, too. Thanks!

It's Him - - Parent

As a fairly easy starter game that enhances juggling skills and is fun, volley ball, as opposed to volley club, is much simpler and only really requires you to be able to juggle for a few throws. Games that work well with kids and that might work well with adults include Simon Says, 3 ball Combat and even things like 'What's the time Mr Wolf?',

Running a youth circus group, the things that they learn quickest are all the balance skills (stilts, walking globe, unicycle and tightrope), diabolo and hula hoop. They also enjoy staff, poi and levi stick but it helps if you have someone around who can do more than just the basic tricks.

Nigel

Mike Moore - - Parent

Ah, never thought of some of those! I think British Bulldog might also be fun.

Mïark - - Parent

Wouldn't British Bulldog be a non-juggling game? Or do you propose to make people juggle while they run across avoiding being flattened?

Mike Moore - - Parent

Replace "flattened" with "made to stop juggling in a gentle way" and you've got it.

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