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Sergei -

What does it mean "flash" and "qualify" in case of 4 balls sync collumns. I know that in case of 3 b cascade it is 3 and 6 catches. How to count in case of 4 b collumns as each catching act consist of TWO balls ?

Guili - - Parent

hello sergei. according to wikipedia a flash is a form of numbers juggling where each ball is only thrown and caught once
so each hand will toss both balls, catch them and that's it :)
here an animated gif made by my great friend "palito" (sticky in english)

Sergei - - Parent

Sorry, this link is not working for me. May be I need some "sesame" word ))

Sergei - - Parent

Guili - - Parent

hi sergei! too bad.. it was just an animated gif made in jugglinglab, you know it?
it's a juggling emulator. shows you any pattern. it's really usefull.

Guili - - Parent

try now, i think it was not in "public" post

Guili - - Parent

or it is a juggling trick where every prop is simultaneously in the air and both hands are empty
like this:

Maria - - Parent

What you call one "catching act" is still 2 catches.

So a flash, 4 catches, so each ball has ben thrown and caught once, even if you do two balls at a time (like in sync patterns).

A qualify for 4 balls is 8 catches, each ball thrown and caught twice.

Guili - - Parent

ah, so when you're juggling sync patterns, a flash is like that?
(didn't get we were talking about sync patterns before)

Sergei -

While learning reverse I still put each next toss higher and higher and after 3-4 throws everything falls apart. Today I tried the 1st ball throw much higher and at the same side which made no sense in throwing second ball higher than the first ))) somehow fooled myself. Got 20 catches. What do you, guys, think about this approach ?

The key to learning reverse cascade is to think about throwing into the middle, rather than to the other hand. Think about the point between the hands, and aim each throw to drop into that space. Escalating higher and higher throws usually come because you are throwing to the other hand, and you need to throw 'over' the incoming throw. Good luck!

Just to clarify, the balls shouldn't actually be dropping down on the centre line, because that would require too much hand movement for the catch. You want them to drop about midway between the centre line and the hand's rest position. However, it's useful to think in terms of dropping them into the 'gap' rather than into the hand. Hope this helps.

Sergei - - Parent

Thanks a lot for this idea (throwing into the center) It really helps to understand the dynamics

Monte - - Parent

You know, it's nice to hear all this enthusiasm for juggling. Takes me back to when I was excited about new tricks. I might even drive into Norwich for Matt's workshop tomorrow night,if it's still going.
Thanks, from a cynical old has been.

Sergei - - Parent

"Cynical old" )))) I guess I am older than anyone here (67). But still very motivated to learn new skills. In year 2016 made "International Chess Master" online blitz FIDE, last year learned Italian to B2 level according european standards, started learning juggling December 2017 )))

Sergei -

What is normal progress for beginner juggler?
How long it takes to reach and what it means "stable cascade"? What about other tricks?

Guili - - Parent

well... i guess it deppends on many factors...
mainly, the time and effort one puts on it, right?
another factor is your body and mind, i mean, it is clear to me that each one of us can be good at some things, not so much at others. for example your body and mind could be more capable for juggling than rock-climbing.
the point is to find something you like doing, and just keep doing it until you get it.
the time it takes you, only you can tell. there is no "normal" people, we're all different.
also the context, are you juggling alone? is somebody teaching you?
for example it took me a few years (teaching myself, not doing it everyday, or even everyweek) to master 4 balls, but my wife got it in like a month with my help... i don't think that means she's better that me... each one of us is walking his path.
so i guess my advice is allways compare yourself to yourself, never to others.
enjoy the progress, don't get anxious to get to the goal.
it's a brave thing you're doing. starting with this world at 67 y.o., so my respects to you!

ah, and i guess 60 catches could qualify as stable, right?
but it's endless... i mean, after getting the 60, you will want to make 100, and so on...

Sergei - - Parent

My record is 80 catches, but next time balls falls after 10-12 throws (((

Orinoco - - Parent

Never worry about how long it takes to learn a pattern. Just enjoy the process!

Little Paul - - Parent

Juggling is a journey, not a destination. Nothing wrong with enjoying the scenery!

7b_wizard - - Parent

"Stable", I'd say, for a pattern is when the pattern is well-timed (right handmovements in time, comfortable tact) and well-spaced (comfortable equal spaces between all balls, good geometry), well-aligned (no great spread, balls follow one another well, follow their flightlines well).
You can get a "stable cascade" sometimes, but still not always, still doing tensed and with arms rowing a lot (e.g. when doing a nice, but too big huge pattern), and still getting drops and fails also a lot. So, getting a "stable pattern" isn't yet the best you can get.
"Stable juggling", I'd say, means you get stable patterns a lot and have less to no drops; I guess, it also then means more control.

Other words (and notions) to describe how well a pattern (itself) runs or how the ado of juggling it goes (judging also posture, hand- and bodymovement), are "kept up [for #n rounds or catches]", "fluent", "flowy", "floaty", "snapped-in", "running", "rolling", (whatever these might distinctly mean) .. maybe "poised" (but that sounds point-of-view, like "nice" or "superb" or so), .. then, rather unprecise, I find, expressions like "getting it down" or "owning" a pattern; maybe these can mean, you can show the pattern anytime a few rounds, or else it could mean, you can do it in your sleep.

Higher levels, I'd say, would be when it is not a challenge anymore to do without drops, when hands seem to ``do all by themselves´´, when you're getting better at correcting outbreakers back to pattern (easily) with fast precise correction throws, or even when you can bail out a completely rotten pattern back to stable. When you can move, sit down, bend, turn, jogg with the pattern, do it on bycicle. When it's well in rhythm, when the whole ado (You + balls + your handmovement + the whole pattern + your brainwork + your automatisms + your mindset) feels like One.

I like (to go for) control over the pattern, full control.

How long it takes to learn depends on how much you stay aware that there's always more to still learn that you know nothing about yet, thus not getting stuck on a level where you think you got it, but don't get any better and don't understand why.
Always reckon for the unknown.

Other tricks give a compare to how juggling is more than getting the cascade down - they define the cascade and its skills as what it is among what else there also is.

Sergei -

Juggling in laying down position. May be somebody practicing it and what are the benefits ? I know David Cain loves to set new records this way ))

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Sakari Mannisto did a lot of research on juggling laying down. There are a lot of arm positions possible while laying down, a lot of leg throws one can do. His enjoyment of laying down juggling inspired this scene in Clowns and Queens:

https://youtu.be/JOO1GSuydBg

Sergei -

Learning 423.
I have invented one very simple exercise for 423. Two balls in left and one in right. 1. Left hand: toss one up and another to the right hand in "tennis" mode catch bothe balls (by left and right hand) and pause, `you have two balls in right and one in left now 2. Do in opposite direction and pause. Probably someone already knows this drill and I am innvented the "bicycle" )))

Maria - - Parent

I'm not sure if "tennis mode" means outside/over-the-top throw or something else, but I think a normal cascade-style throw for the 3 is the easiest.

My favorite practice for 423 was to just do one out of a cascade. One righthanded "straight" throw, skip the lefthanded throw, a normal righthanded throw and you are back to cascade. Make sure the straight throw is high enough so that you don't have to rush anything, the right hand should keep its normal rhythm.
Then the same with the other hand. Then just reduce the number of normal cascade throws in between until you only have the one 3 in 423 left.

Sergei -

How to learn 423
Yes , there is nice youtube made by Niels and I am practicing his first preliminary exercise. The question is how to make it like flow? I am sure you all learn 423 in you juggling toddler's years and ideas what worked for you will be appreciated ))

Sergei - - Parent

I have got one insight : tempo "right,right - left,left" )))

7b_wizard - - Parent

yes, two throws to the same side .. you can sway your body left-right in that rhythm.

how to make it flow
you can do bowy throws (not columns) with the "4", thrown well fromout the inside, over the preceding "3" - then you can also circle nicely with your hands in that rhythm.

else - I find this much harder and didn't get it well - you can do the "4" as straight vertical columns and throw the "3"-s ``away´´ and through the vertical "4"-flightlines. It seems to help to do those vertical "4"-s nearer to the middle (and then have space plenty outside for the "3"-s).

Sergei - - Parent

Thanks a lot, my friend. I have got the feeling 423 is very important trick and gives an opportunity to make small nice performance combinations with 3b cascade.

Sergei -

Reverse Cascade. Help needed. Balls bump frequently. I am trying to toss each subsequent ball higher and higher. it works for sometime, but total mess in couple seconds ... It is surely wrong way. I have this feeling that top of opposite throws should be at equal high, but in different places. I am currently working on left hand tosses OVER two plastic bars at about 8" distance apart and at chin level. Any good ideas to tame reverse cascade?

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

'See' the sideways figure 8 shape in your minds-eye and keep the ball running along it. Be gentle and try to keep the rhythm uniform. Your hands will be moving in circles the opposite way to the cascade (left hand clockwise, right hand anti-clockwise).

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

*balls* not ball..

7b_wizard - - Parent

[service:]

sideways figure 8 shape = lemniscate, infinity symbol

html coding: ∝ ∝ ∝ ∞ ∞ ∞ [dunno which one will render]

Sergei - - Parent

yes, I tried throwing outside (just one ball) staying in paralel bar shoulder width/height and naturally got figure "8" sensation

Maria - - Parent

You are right, they should be equal height.

In regular Cascade, the throw from the right hand has its highest Point on the left side (and the left hand throw on the right side) since you are throwing from the inside to the outside.
In reverse Cascade, the throw from the right hand has its highest Point on the right side (and the left hand throw on the left side) since you are throwing from the outside to the inside.

That might help?

Sergei - - Parent

YES, it surely helps (I mean where top points are) I watched carefully some video in slow motion and noticed that in regular cascade TOP right throw goes to opposite ear projection? for reverse - it is the same ear/ Thanks a lot.

Scott Seltzer - - Parent

If it's getting higher and higher, then you're throwing too early. Wait a bit more for the previous ball to drop before you throw the next ball over it. You can practice over the top on one side (half-shower) and practice that also on your weak side before you do solid reverse cascade. For half-shower, it's good to practice controlling various height differences between the higher throw and the lower throw, and it's especially useful to gain control with the higher one just over the lower one. Another fun one to try is tennis which is the same ball over the top back and forth on each side while the other two do normal cascades. Good luck!

Sergei - - Parent

YES! It make sense for me. Thanks a lot for your suggestion. I surely need to improve the timing

Sergei -

Just had new "tasty" juggler's experience : start doing 3 b columns, pretty ugly columns, obviously not for Solomon's Temple )) feeling is very different from cascade. But nevertheless it is some progress, don't forget I am 2 months old juggler)) I was doing mostly using my right hand that is not too bad in 2-in-1. Suddenly I felt my weak left hand WANTS more participation in this trick ))

7b_wizard - - Parent

the ``masculine´´ stronghand leads, and the ``feminine´´ weakhand follows in that pair-dance. ( and you can switch it, ``emancipate´´ your weak hand )

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. and that .. : I felt my weak left hand WANTS more participation are countermovements(!) of weakhand, transmitted over the shoulder belt with torso/spine even legs and stance stabilizing. You can also feel your hips wiggle lol, countermoving to the shoulderbelt. Good form and posture are a whole body thing.

You are on the way to a fabulous trick which will definitely get your other hand involved - The Machine !!

You have revived a lovely memory, long forgotten, of one of my happiest achievements in juggling. Loved the look of the trick, wanted wanted wanted to be able to do it, struggled with coordination... eventually achieved it. Great joy ensued!

Hang in there - it's worth it.

Sergei -

I want to hear about your first "juggling magic experience". I was just tossing up 2 balls with my right hand with no hope to catches them as at age 67 I never even tried to learng juggling. Suddenly I felt that both balls are safely back in my hand. I was really wonder feeling for me ))) Wand to know about YOUR first juggling "wonders"/

7b_wizard - - Parent

wonderful question!

I can not remember, it is around 40-45 years ago, i think. First thing that I remember is that I was juggling three tennisballs as cascade when the sports teacher was gone for a few minutes and unlocked the small room where the balls are.

Only years later did I come back to juggling and learned tricks and 5 balls.

There's so many different kinds of magic, of fascination, of simply fun:
when I have control,
- I can shift focus on for example one distinct balls' orbit and follow it through the pattern,
- I can gaze through the pattern into the distant and do with peripheral view only and not see single balls anymore,
- I can gaze near the crossing point of the flightcurves, or near the top of the pattern and watch the balls burble up all the time,
short: it's queer and fun to watch my own ongoing pattern when it seems like my hands are doing by themselves with no need to focus or concentrate, just keep on doing and I can watch it.

That was optical impressions. But when my technique got much better, it became ``mental´´ - I get sensations of ``flow´´, or just very fluent juggling, and the kick lies less in the optical impression but more in the feeling of the hands going on moving right and well.
It is then, when the juggling ``snaps in´´, when I do with snapped-in timing and the rhythm is fluent and the pattern just ``rolls´´, when hands and balls' flights are synchronized.

It was also fun to land my first bodythrows, .. clawing wasn't such a revelation, but getting my first single backcrosses with 3 balls felt great! Like stepping through a door leading outdoors that was closed, lighting up my spirit.

Another kind of magic is when I get another trick, another pattern with a more or less broken rhythm (for example juggler's tennis) or a so called siteswap ( for example: [click! --> 441 or 34530 <-- click!] ). - It is then like in music, a rhythm or a beat or a melody, and it can be funky or have a crescendo or it can be galopped.
When I first get such a pattern, get the right heights, the right rhythm, the right timing all well, it will ``click´´ in the brain :o) dope I tell you!

And still then, what I find greatest, is, when the juggling, a pattern, is not only snapped-in, or not only clicked, but also when it is - suddenly or after working hard on it - .. when it is easy with no effort, when I can at a given moment of full control relax and let loose, breathe out, settle down, and I have the sensation of letting loose and the pattern will not collapse, but go on, like when walking.

Sergei - - Parent

yes, many guys recommended me claws, I tried it today and have the feeling I can learn it in couple days and I am not sure it will add much to my juggling experience )) Thanks a lot for sharing with me. It gives me some directions where "tasty" juggling things are hidden ))

7b_wizard - - Parent

These tasty juggling things are highly individually different, you''l hardly find two jugglers with the same repertoire.
Some go for "numbers", many balls or clubs or rings, .. some collect all the tricks with few balls that they can get, .. some go into a lot of contact elements like rolling or stalling ( =parking them somewhere for a beat or two or three) the props on and around bodyparts, .. there's related object manipulation skills like diabolo, devilstick, .. other artistry to combine, like walking globes, unicycle, .. fire juggling looks spectacular, .. some specialize on a certain trick family or on their style, .. don't forget passing with one or many partners, juggling games, .. and many many more things.
It's a huge and vast field and everyone can find themselves doing what suits them and what they like.

I like to watch, listen, feel which kinds of throws offer themselves in a given moment and fulfill those intuitions, but I surely also reproduce or imitate a lot of what I encounter others doing.

7b_wizard - - Parent

another magic is that "aha"-effect when you (suddenly) get a new trick pretty easily that you thought was hard, that looked hard when you first saw someone (or that animated stickman) do it -and realize it's not so hard at all now. - then also instructing others, teaching and watching them have such moments when they think or say "Hey wow! I can do it!" with bright eyes is even shared magic then.

Sergei - - Parent

YES ! Yesterday I was teaching 3 b cascade in the restaurant to young man using winter gloves as props ))

7b_wizard - - Parent

obsession. passion. keep that!

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. and still another kind of magic / tasty crossed my mind while just practising: the prospect of what you think you can do longterm next!? every pattern or trick or basic skill that you get down opens up new worlds of possibilities .. what seemed completely impossible(!) before, or what never even crossed your mind, and what you didn't dare to think of and consider, all of a sudden gets within reach! it's awesome!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

So many magical experiences... Such as when I discovered that I could climb stairs while juggling 3 balls... Or when someone showed me the factory trick and how to break it down, and I realized that there was a lot possible with 3 balls. Or when I tried to run 3 balls in one hand in the classroom in high school and I felt like it wasn't that hard after all.. But also still now, like last week when I tried a new sequence of connected 5b 3up 360s and figured that I could get it without too much effort! There are so many magical moments :)

7b_wizard - - Parent

yeah, .. "up + pirouette" feel great! .. Sergei, you can try that with "1 ball up + 360° pirouette" or ".. + 180° half turn".

Sergei - - Parent

I guess I will abstain abrupt 360 turns for a while as falling and breaking legs at my age can cost a lot ))) I quit training Karate (I am 4 grade black belt) last 4 years in order not to have serious injuries. Nevertheless I think it will be great to flash 3 up and make 360 turn. Let it be my "Golden dream" for next couple years ))

7b_wizard - - Parent

not "abrupt", but throw very high (outdoors or in a gym or hall), and you can turn slowly half way round for the (1 up) 180°-ies.   ( But, well, I see, no legwork, no stilts, no walking globe, then, whatever you like or suits you best, then. )

Sergei - - Parent

Thanks a lot, I got the point. My wife is Ballet Instructor and I hope she will coach me these turns ))

7b_wizard - - Parent

@ all Edge users - so little participation on this wonderful topic? .. c'mon folks, wake up and share your magic moments!

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. I could fancy, also for example passing, showbizz, first video uploaded, surprising yourself, would provide for some worth posting, no?

Maria - - Parent

The original post asked for my first "juggling magic experience", and I don't remember that! It was too long ago... I do remember being really happy about keeping 3 balls going for a few catches though, so that must have been in the beginning.

I have had the "magic" feeling a few times though. Like when walking and passing, turning around and seeing an incoming club exactly where I expected it to be. Or just when a nice passing pattern works well.

Of course, most of the "fist time I got that trick" moments are really good, too. :)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Yah, good. (oh yeah, I somehow overread that "first" in o.p.) .. [..] exactly where I expected it, oh yes, very good! .. Good moments, thx 4 sharing!

I really need to get into passing better soon than late!

Do you remember what or a moment that made you change towards or decide for juggling with clubs mainly?  ( surely better for passing, but .. )  did it also feel more comfortable, suit you more when you tried first(lol) time?

Maria - - Parent

Well, I had just learned to juggle a 3 ball Cascade (without knowing the name of the pattern) when I decided to buy clubs. I didn't know any jugglers by then, had just learned by myself and had no idea what else to do with the balls. To be honest, at first I saw clubs mostly as a practice prop for torches, though I had seen a juggler doing cool tricks with clubs, too.

It certainly didn't feel comfortable trying to juggle clubs at first! Like I said, I didn't know any jugglers, I tried to learn at home standing over my bed (which is a bad idea for club juggling, teaches you all the wrong technique). I more or less gave up on juggling, just picked up the balls or clubs a few times a year, then not at all...

...until 10-15 years later, when I went to "Medieval week" and a few other events and saw the jesters. They had a fire show, they were juggling torches, and they were passing with them! That's when I decided that, all right, this time I'm actually going to learn this. I took out my old clubs from the cupboard, started practising twice a week (only for about 15-20 minutes), still by myself, couldn't find any other jugglers nearby. A few months later I visited my first juggling Convention, only over the day, but it was fun and I saw 3 passers doing Roundabout. I was like "oooh, that is cool, I want to do that!". (My juggling was still not good enough to join the beginner passing workshop, though.) I still didn't have jugglers where I lived, but I moved about half a year later, found a place to practise with someone who knew a little bit of club passing, went to another juggling Convention, where I met Staffan from my current juggling club (Fritidsjonglörerna), started practising with them and... Well, that was a long answer, but I think passing was the main reason that I choose to almost only juggle clubs. That and the "fact" that they look cooler than balls. ;)

7b_wizard - - Parent

I read: the spark came by the fire!? .. and by roundabout passing. .. Very nice story, very motivating / inciting too. thx 4 takin' the time!

You should do  t o r c h e s !!  :-O  :o)

Maria - - Parent

I have torches, and I have juggled them a little bit, but honestly... Not quite as fun as trying to do passing patterns that are just a little bit too difficult, with regular clubs. There is a video on Facebook where I am passing torches with two of my friends, though. Happy to have done it, will probably do it again, but it's not important any more. :)

Sergei - - Parent

Can I borrow your "tasty" juggling experience ? )) I expect that juggling while walking can boost serotonin in my brains )))

Maria - - Parent

Juggling while Walking (and turning around) is good for many fun passing patterns, I recommend it!

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

After my first few months of juggling I dropped something (a Cherry Bakewell I think) whilst fumbling around in a high cupboard. The catch was perfect and came out of nowhere. It really surprised me.. it felt super-human, like that scene in The Fly when he catches the fly. I'm actually quite good at catching flies too with my juggling-enhanced lightning reflexes. Mating flies are the best. They're slower when they're mating and opening a hand to release two flies really blows people's minds!

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Juggling 7 balls for more than 100 catches feels pretty magical. I try to do that every day if I can.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Agreed (for 50-70 catches in my case, and for if I even get these) .. feels unreal when it ``rolls all by itself´´.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Not sure about my first magical moment. I can tell you the first trick I did that I never thought I'd be able to do was 97531. Hitting that for the first time made me very happy!

There have been a few more recently. Mostly little steps toward fully inverted sprung cascade, because I had some doubt that I'd ever be able to do it.

Guili - - Parent

hello sergei!
I wanted to tell you, not about my first magical experience (i've been juggling on-and-off for almost 20 years now!) but about my last one.
yesterday i was practicing for 7 balls (my biggest focus these days). I've been trying it for a few years, but never with these days' stubborness :) . so, yesterday i got to catch the first 5 throws, not much ok, but the trajectory of those balls was so nice, almost perfect... they just landed on my hands...
we all now moments like this last only a few seconds... but when you train for 7b... you really treasure those seconds... since all the rest of the time you will be crawling to retrieve the balls... jajja

Joerg - - Parent

I have learned 3 ball cascade almost 30 years ago and do not remember any magical moment from that time. Finally in 2012 i wanted to learn more and came across a web site called 'kingscascade' with a lot of three ball tricks. I also bought the book 'The Encyclopedia of Ball Juggling' of Chrlie Dancey and wanted to teach myself Mill's Mess. Charlie had a very motivating way to describe tricks: 'The Mill's Mess is the crème de la crème of the three-ball juggling patterns. A tongue-twister of triple trickery! Anti-gravitational hand jive in the key of three balls!'.
A magical moment was when i finally could manage Mill's Mess and directly afterwards i joined a juggling club.

The second magical moment was a year later when I have learned the 5 ball cascade and it feels no longer hard. To cite Charley once more: 'The Five Ball Cascade' is the purest five pall pattern there is. It is a landmark in the juggling carrer of anyone who achieves it, the beginning (and for many the end) of Numbers Juggling. Whenever you see a Five Ball Cascade you can be sure of one thing - that juggler has been practicing a lot'.

I hope for some more moments when 7 ball cascade and 3 ball inverted box feel easy.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Joerg - - Parent

Thanks for the service and taking me 5 years back. I remember that i have learned Mills Mess by the tip: Learn windmill in both directions and then continously change directoin after one round. This does not directly end up in Mills Mess but to something very similar.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Yw, .. jus' wanted to remind it's been archived. - Depending on at which moment, with which throw you start the sidechange it would become Flo's Mess instead Mills Mess; (but there's of course endless more variations for confusion).

Joerg - - Parent

I remember another 'magical' moment: The first time when i can look through a juggling pattern and not focusing at one position. I remember this moment when passing 6 clubs and i could look into the eyes of my partner.

Sergei -

I am Sergei Bogolepov,MD from Novosibirsk, Russia. Age 67 (!) Started learning to juggle by myself two month ago. Can do unstable 3b cascade mostly up to 3po catches (sometime over 50 but in "panic" fashion). Laying on my back up to 10 catches with the dream to do 20 "over the head" as required by grade 4 Japanese Association certification (equal to Mills mess) . REasobnably good two in one right hand (up to 20 catches) and total disaster with left hand ( 2-4 catches unstable). Any suggestions with left hand besides "just keep practicing" ?

david - - Parent

Hi Sergei, welcome to the Edge. Something you might do for that left hand is to try switching from the cascade to one round of two in one hand and then back to the cascade. Start on the right and tnen try it on the left. When that is easy, do two on the right, cascade, two on the left and so on. Remember to breathe and keep throwing up.

Sergei - - Parent

Last night made 80 catches in 3 b cascade and decided temporary not to pay great attention to my weak Two-in-One left hand. Too much work with very little reward for old guy who was crasy enough to start learning this skill )) I will focus on what is progressing well enough : on classic 3 b cascade (high tossing and 5 balls in both hands) to make it really stable 100 catches plus laying down cascade to make reasonably stable "over-the -head ". Was able to make 12 catches over the head today.

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