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Brook Roberts -

At #CamCircus at the weekend I, Andy and Becky did some good passing. The last thing we did was based on a pattern called Gute Frage (Good question in English, as in: what's that pattern called?).

The base pattern, Gute Frage, is a very nice but easy pattern. You should try it! A feeds B and C on pass-pass-self. B passes to A on pass-pass-self. C passes to B on 3-count. (So the first pass is a triangle pass, and you don't receive to the person you throw to).


3b 3b 3 3b 3b 3
3c 3a 3 3c 3a 3
3a 3 3 3a 3 3


To make it more interesting, you can rotate who feeds. This is even nicer! We did it so after two rounds (so six beats) you take on the role of the person on your left. One round would look like (the diagram might look scary - probably it's easier to just use the description - it's much easier than you might think!) We got a few rounds of this.


3b 3b 3 3b 3b 3 3b 3 3 3b 3 3 3b 3c 3 3b 3c 3
3c 3a 3 3c 3a 3 3c 3c 3 3c 3c 3 3c 3 3 3c 3 3
3a 3 3 3a 3 3 3a 3b 3 3a 3b 3 3a 3a 3 3a 3a 3


So far so good. We then made it much harder, by doing it 'from Hell'. This is where you throw every 5th throw as a double. It's much harder than it might seem! You can apply this to any pattern that is only made up of 3's and 3p's. Try it in 4-count, or for more of a challenge, in countdown!

So Gute Frage with rotating feeder is period 18. Since 5 is coprime, doing Gute Frage from Hell is period 90! I won't post the causal diagram for that :P

We managed about 20 throws.

Brook

P.S. Does this sort of stuff interest any edgizens in particular?

Brook Roberts - - Parent

Well, it looked fine in preview mode. Orinoco?

Orinoco - - Parent

What exactly is broken? I'm seeing two causal diagrams that look fine to me.

Maria - - Parent

I don't see any causal diagrams, but I have not seen them here earlier either so it might be my settings. I did check the "Render Causal diagrams" box though. Anything else I need to do?

emilyw - - Parent

Nope I can't see them either and I also have the setting turned on.

Little Paul - - Parent

I've just ticked the box and the causal diagrams appeared.

Perhaps try force refreshing the page?

Maria - - Parent

Oh... That actually worked! I didn't think it would, because I changed that setting weeks ago.

Okay, I see two cousal diagrams now, they both look correct.

Maria - - Parent

...and I know it's spelled causal diagrams. :)

mike.armstrong - - Parent

...but my brain always reads casual diagrams

emilyw - - Parent

That made little sense to me, but I tried it anyway and this happened:

http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/r3mEDgK12Q3IMgEjEngVn_Mpntg-SaDNEy7dil1dOOWC=w724-h207-p-no

Brook Roberts - - Parent

That's what I am seeing too.

Orinoco - - Parent

I still think you have an old version of causals.js, let's deal with this over here.

Brook Roberts - - Parent

The top causal diagram's top row is for me very very long. It says
A:

Brook Roberts - - Parent

Ha, I should have guessed that wouldn't post properly.
I have to go now, but the lines that have 3b in get confused and don't render properly on firefox or chrome.

emilyw - - Parent

P.S. Does this sort of stuff interest any edgizens in particular?

yes! It's almost like having Aidan back.

I feel that you or Becky need to decide which of you will rename yourselves to Chris.

Brook Roberts - - Parent

Well you might get more then in the future :)

I was actually just saying that with Andy, Brook, Caspar, Danny, Ed, the set of UK passers that I pass with does quite well for example names!

Also, #passing.

emilyw - - Parent

If you're all at BJC then you should meet up with Fred Gerstner, Graham, HelenS, Ian from Manchester, Jamie Fletcher, and no doubt some other people I don't know, and break some kind of strange passing world record.

Maria - - Parent

Nice! I have tried something similar, but in 2-count/4-count. One of the first passing patterns I tried actually. Then we changed feeder after one round, but it makes sense to change after two rounds for an ambidextrous pattern.

I suppose it doesn't really matter, but did I read it correct if I say that the triangle passes are done to the person on your right?

I think the "from hell" thing on this pattern might be a bit too difficult for me though. :)

Brook Roberts - - Parent

Yes, that is what we did, although you're welcome to try it the other way - it shouldn't make much difference since you end up doing the inside and outside triangle passes regardless.

Mïark - - Parent

Passing is always interesting. I didn't know this pattern had a name, but then I learnt it from Ewan (or Luke before he went to Germany) many, many years ago, so maybe it didn't have a name then or perhaps Andy had taught them too, but didn't want to confuse them with germanic nomenclature. (Also works with 4 count 2 count feed but is less interesting.)

I stopped doing from Hell patterns after doing countdown-countdown from Hell, which took far too long.

Brook Roberts - - Parent

What is countdown-countdown? 4-3-2-1-2-3-2-1-2-1-2-3-2-1-2-3-count would be my guess... If so I've never tried it, but I will! I've recently been doing some 8 club countdowns so this would seem like a nice addition to mix things up :)

Mïark - - Parent

Yes, but for some reason starting at 5 count (maybe just to make it longer).

^Tom_ - - Parent

There's always a debate about how many 1s to do in the middle. I think I've done 3 1s most frequently.

jamesfrancis - - Parent

Just spent several minutes determining whether "I, Andy and Becky..." was grammatically correct. I think I'm going to allow it this time.

On a more passing note of interest; I always knew this pattern as Tarim's triangle, although he denies having anything to do with it and accredits it to feeding the fish (or at least they were the first he saw do it). Never heard of it as Gute Frage, although I have heard this mentioned as the name of a pattern.

Done the feed rotation before but have no interested in 'from hell-ing' it. Nice to know there are still geekier passers than me out there though (Or at least as geeky... I am still categorising my list of 427 period 7 patterns with zaps after all)

^Tom_ - - Parent

I assume there was going to be a weekend II coming up, and that Andy and Becky have been passing at weekend I. I don't understand why the ladder diagrams appears to be showing 3* hands. I can only assume that there's a hybrid 2 hands vs 1 hand notation for some 2 handed pattern.

*Or will be once I work out the causal diagram problem.

 

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