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7b_wizard -

How do you launch your numbers basic patterns?

  1. In a clear crescendo way, as a ``ladder´´, starting with lower throws getting upon height towards the later throws.
  2. A mix of 1. and 3., pretty much the same height as good as I can get it, but the very first one or two throws a bit lower. And-Or doing the two or three latest throws just a little bit higher to have the launch better well-spaced.
  3. All on the exact height required (from first throw on), thus also in the right tact.
  4. Different ways, or all of the above, or depending on which pattern, which number, or with a special initial throw or kick, or with a siteswap, or from juggling a lower number (only part of the props) with full hands.

[ #numbers #launch #technique #poll ]

This is a competition thread which ran from 26th Sep 2016 to 16th Oct 2016. View results.

James Hennigan - - Parent

Don't lots of jugglers do the opposite of 1? They throw the first ball higher and all the other throws are at regular height.

Example: https://youtu.be/Jpah1ywgZUk?start=298

7b_wizard - - Parent

Never seen this. Very interesting; it seems to earn a moment to prepare and get back in position for the steady launch with one ball less.

DavidCain - - Parent

Yes, Gatto made that method fairly popular.
David

7b_wizard - - Parent

He should then vote "4.".

No, serious: I see two slight disadvantages in that method (regardless of how much these might be outweighed by the advantages), at least when still learning:   a)   the very high first ball comes back very fast, thus is a bit harder to catch or at least ask for a different first catch, and   b)   it's out of tact and out of pattern and tact, so timing your launch to it, matching both, seems a skill on its own, maybe comparable to kicking into launch.

peterbone - - Parent

The advantage is that it makes the first throws easier when there's a lot of weight in the hands. Perhaps Anthony developed that method because he started numbers so young. I tend to do it a bit with clubs.

When flashing high numbers I prefer 1 or 2. The advantage being that they separate out in the air making the catches further apart. When running numbers I prefer 3.

7b_wizard - - Parent

I like the first two pairs of throws notably lower and wider, to have the middle free to fire the rest up keeping a slight crescendo. (Clearly "1." then, and for 9b and 7b) My 8b wimpy, I do it in a `robotic´ way all to same exact height - there's just much more time to swing up thrust in synch.

James Hennigan - - Parent

This reminded me that Anthony could juggle 5 clubs before he could even hold 5 clubs!

https://youtu.be/4TAle4wftR4?start=231

bad1dobby - - Parent

I put that down to hype - no-one does bullshit like circus does bullshit...

Daniel Simu - - Parent

To me it makes a lot of sense. The first ball is hard because the hands are heavy. You can make the first high throw easy by using the legs, and the legs add so much push that you can even make enough time to slow down the next one or two balls. With more time you can also put more force in these.. Until you quickly need to get your hands empty to make the first catches, and then stabilize into pattern hight as you only need to deal with 1 ball weight..

7b_wizard - - Parent

Ah, yeah .. ``hop´´ the first one up - forgot about that one.

And, true, yeah, .. once they're all up, be it only halfway aligned, spaced and timed, you can still correct into pattern dealing with one prop each rethrow, which makes up a bit for a flawly launch - I need that a lot ;o) .

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   In a clear crescendo way, as a ``ladder´´, starting with lower throws getting upon height towards the later throws. (1 vote)
  2.   A mix of 1. and 3., pretty much the same height as good as I can get it, but the very first one or two throws a bit lower. And-Or doing the two or three latest throws just a little bit higher to have the launch better well-spaced. (0 votes)
  3.   All on the exact height required (from first throw on), thus also in the right tact. (2 votes)
  4.   Different ways, or all of the above, or depending on which pattern, which number, or with a special initial throw or kick, or with a siteswap, or from juggling a lower number (only part of the props) with full hands. (1 vote)

Daniel Simu -

Where do you generally prefer to juggle? #poll

  1. Outdoors
  2. Indoors
  3. No preference
  4. It's really complicated, I prefer to answer in detail below.

This is a competition thread which ran from 3rd Jun 2016 to 10th Jun 2016. View results.

peterbone - - Parent

Definitely indoors, however this is only rarely possible for me due to lack of good indoor space. About 90% of my juggling is done outdoors.

Austin - - Parent

Exactly the same for me.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

When I don't have a space, I don't juggle.. Outdoor juggling is reserved for relaxing days, vacations, conventions or other exceptions.
This makes indoor spaces so important that I moved quite a few times in order to have a good space, such as to Berlin, Toulouse or Rotterdam :)

peterbone - - Parent

Not having an indoor space has been the bane of my existence for most of my life and will definitely be the main factor that I consider next time I move.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Under the bridge. Like Raindog.

KellyH - - Parent

I live in the southern US and don't like the heat. I also don't like dirt getting on my props. I prefer indoor in general because of these factors. However, I just started juggling in January and I generally love the weather in the fall, so my preferences may be based on the season. I lack good indoor space. I recently moved and wish I had chosen an apartment with a vaulted ceiling (I had the opportunity to do so). Next time, I will be more aware of trying to find somewhere where I can juggle more easily at home.

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

I train 5 to 8 balls and 3 to 6 clubs, so height is a requirement. I prefer a 35' ceiling, if indoors.

I have access to several indoor and several outdoor spaces to juggle. My YMCA has a LED lit multipurpose gym, a florescent lit main gym, and racquetball courts lit by natural and florescent light. A nearby college has a covered area that is perfect for rainy and warm days. I juggle at several local parks.

Environmental factors like wind, noise, temperature, lighting, air quality, and uneven ground can make juggling outdoors much more difficult than inside. It's easier to complete a structured training routine inside because there are fewer distractions from onlookers.

I select my training space based on the weather and training routine. I can't practice clubs in the main gym because it's too loud, so I go in the racquetball court. I don't like to practice 7b cascade in the racquetball court because the balls and walls are both white, so I go to the main gym or multipurpose gym. On nice days, I go to the park.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   Outdoors (4 votes)
  2.   Indoors (12 votes)
  3.   No preference (0 votes)
  4.   It's really complicated, I prefer to answer in detail below. (1 vote)

7b_wizard -

Do you invent things (tricks, siteswaps, moves, combinations; props; own show \ choreography; .. ) or do you depend on it being there already (siteswap- & trick-libraries; shown to you; seen it done by someone live or on video or written of; .. ) ?

  1. I am creative and \ or invent a lot \ frequently.  ( = very inventive creative innovative resourceful ingenious .. ).
  2. I casually find something new, that I've seen no one do before.  ( = a bit inventive ).
  3. I (partly) adapt what's there given (and do it `my way´) .. I wouldn't call that "inventing", but it's also not strictly reproducing.  ( = mostly reproducing ).
  4. I reproduce what I find from what diversity there is already given. What I do is well-proven, .. there's not much to invent.  ( = strictly reproducing ).
  5. other, creative andor inventive.   (e.g. only once, e.g. a speciality)
  6. other, reproducing.   (e.g. copying historical acts may need inventive improvisation)
  7. other: e.g.   neither, nor  \  both  \  can't be polled on like this  \  "I just drawed an elephant on my frisbee, does that count?"  \  ...


[ my focus is meant on inventing on juggling .. so, if you have the choice - doing several artistry - please vote how much you invent or not in juggling! .. Else feel free to vote for any your art! ]

thk 4 voting!

[ #poll #creativity #endlessthread ingenious originative innovative resourceful ]

This is a competition thread which ran from 20th Sep 2015 to 27th Sep 2015. View results.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Hmm...I'd like to say 1 or 2, but I try very hard not to invent *a lot*. Rather, I notice a lot of things that haven't been done, and I try to do ones that are particularly meaningful. It should introduce a new movement, frame something in a different way, or combine movements in such a way that there's some kind of emergent property.

For example:
Reverse backcross -> backcross -> behind the head kind of has an emergent property in that it's surprisingly easy. That's not typically the kind of thing I look for.

Backcross -> reverse backcross -> behind the head causes there to be an interesting motion between one hand throwing a behind the head and catching the reverse backcross. It's a very unnatural follow-through of a behind the head to rotate at the elbow to make the reverse backcross catch.

Both are nice because they have you looking in one direction for three throws, unlike all of the component patterns!

I realize I'm kind of rambling, but this is the stuff that excites me in juggling.

7b_wizard - - Parent

1 or 2 [..] hard to invent ``a lot´´
Yeh, .. maybe ``frequently´´ \ ``very inventive \ creative \ innovative´´, or ``always having an eye \ part of brain looking out for changing something´´ but that overlaps with point 3. "adapt given tricks" .. or else also ``explore & discover the possibilities of juggling (\ props \ ..) mainly in own resarch & work or finding out´´ ? .. Had same problem (with my own poll?! :oY  ) .. but chose 1. 'cos "a bit" is definitely too few. Also 1. & 2. will in the end be put together as "is inventive" (not "not inventive") vs. mainly reproducing what existing stuff can be found and seen, i guess.

Also working with siteswaps is a bit ambiguous to vote .. you can find them out or `make them up´ for your needs, but they are always already there calculable in their mathematically-logical system .. it would then depend on how someone feels, they are being "innovative" like actually doing queer unusual siteswaps or having the idea and the guts to actually try and do a vera hard given siteswap (considered like `impossible´ or `merely theoretic´ stickman-stuff), or else simply "finding" or "adapting" a passing siteswap for one, two, .. more person(s) ..
E.g. I thought of how to siteswap a split 3b-cascade ball and worked out: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-28372554/4b-90090990_split_ball.gif.html, which I'd call clearly more "inventive" than adding a prop or adapting a given siteswap for another passing partner or finding another transition fro & to ground-state than usual for a siteswap.

bx .. rbx .. bth
I'm afraid - having tried and done only single behind the neck over other shoulder (throw btn) and back (catch btn) - that I can only guess sort of what you mean with your example .. are you there a) following the beats with every hand throwing, the movement in question being a bth throw + bx catch (clawed, i guess) all behind the head on that hand's `side´ in the first example and a bth-throw on its side + hurried rbx-catch (normal? \ claw?) near the other shoulder (with that ball threatening to get out of reach fast), or are you b) following one ball flying the described orbits?

I don't read, you're asking what to vote - in that case just vote how much you feel your juggling and work on it being "inventive" (\creative \innovative) or just "adaptive" (or maybe you want to read point 5. as "other: deeply, strongly and thoroughly adaptive"-creative) - but your post already tells more than your vote would and chosing any "inventive" point will - I think - represent you well against the non-inventive reproducers and trick- and siteswap-`collectors´.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[edit .. "worked out" .. ] http://www11.pic-upload.de/21.09.15/8ur45vaq2ur.gif (3b-casc, split-ball)

7b_wizard - - Parent

= 4b-90090990 .. one can play around and get slightly adapted spacing with e.g. 4b-f0000f00f0f0000

7b_wizard - - Parent

Inventing a trick \ move \ sth that existed before, but you didn't know, counts as "inventive" ( 1. or 2. or 5. .. or 3. if its "adapting" by minor change).

7b_wizard - - Parent

rem.: Last day to poll on creativity \ inventiveness against doing what's given \ collecting all there is.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   I am creative and \ or invent a lot \ frequently.  ( = very inventive creative innovative resourceful ingenious .. ). (4 votes)
  2.   I casually find something new, that I've seen no one do before.  ( = a bit inventive ). (1 vote)
  3.   I (partly) adapt what's there given (and do it `my way´) .. I wouldn't call that "inventing", but it's also not strictly reproducing.  ( = mostly reproducing ). (2 votes)
  4.   I reproduce what I find from what diversity there is already given. What I do is well-proven, .. there's not much to invent.  ( = strictly reproducing ). (0 votes)
  5.   other, creative andor inventive.   (e.g. only once, e.g. a speciality) (0 votes)
  6.   other, reproducing.   (e.g. copying historical acts may need inventive improvisation) (0 votes)
  7.   other: e.g.   neither, nor  \  both  \  can't be polled on like this  \  "I just drawed an elephant on my frisbee, does that count?"  \  ... (1 vote)

7b_wizard -

Would you like juggling and artistics to be more popular? ( e.g. taught in regular schools(?), e.g. daily practising groups(?), e.g. more small conventions(?), e.g. more to be seen around(?) )

  1. Yes.
  2. No.
  3. Depends. Rather: yes.
  4. Depends. Rather: no.
  5. Really depends.
  6. What!? (="other") / It is an issue, but not to be polled on. / Block this user. :o]= / Got no idea. / ..

See also: http://www.jugglingedge.com/forum.php?ThreadID=2070&SmallID=14684#Small14684 (world cup; WJF; combat; esports) [use browser search for "popular" for posts touching the topic].
Thk 4 voting :o)

[ #poll #popularityOfJuggling (not "of Jugglers") ]

What do you think the consequences would be .. would it get more expensive (club-fees, convos, props) or would there else be more opportunities to meet other jugglers anywhere around or else both .. would there be more & better props on a bigger market .. will there be commercial juggling-studios (just like fitness-centers) .. would conventions simply become too big .. wouldn't also passing become even more popular .. would there be more exchange on and for the rare props ( e.g. astrojaxx(?) s-staff(?) ) .. will there be more concurrence for the pros or also a bigger clientèle, will stage-level raise .. would there be more juggling on TV and more gigs, background-acting, for the pro .. will there be juggling-schools .. ?   Would that be good or bad in your eyes?

This is a competition thread which ran from 17th Aug 2015 to 31st Aug 2015. View results.

Monte - - Parent

Is artistics a word now? My spell check doesn't recognise it.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

In German "artistik" means something like "circus", so I guess it was an attempt to tranlate that?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Yes, didn't doubt, thus see no need to look it up, ..
should be "artistry" or indeed better "circus (arts)". What I actually meant was "not pure juggling, only, but everything else also" :o])

mrawa - - Parent

This depends on where... juggling/circus is pretty popular in the England, with clubs everywhere, and conventions more or less on a monthly basis. This is probably due to the England being so small, so it's easy for anyone to get to a convention and back. This isn't the case in Canada/US where the country is so large you usually need to set aside a day or so just for travelling!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Think, I meant like worldwide, considering also new talents might rise from Africa or China allowing for more modern / not traditional chinese artforms, which would also provide for lotsa new ideas and combinations, or (rise from) unsuspected places in the world.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Last day open for your vote, this poll on popularity of juggling.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   Yes. (8 votes)
  2.   No. (2 votes)
  3.   Depends. Rather: yes. (3 votes)
  4.   Depends. Rather: no. (0 votes)
  5.   Really depends. (1 vote)
  6.   What!? (="other") / It is an issue, but not to be polled on. / Block this user. :o]= / Got no idea. / .. (0 votes)

7b_wizard -

Do you have a  v i s i o n  or do you wait and see where juggling gets you, or do you not think about where it might lead to at all?

  1. I have one strong vision.
  2. I have a fuzzy / multiple sort of vision.
  3. I am curious to see where it will get me (wanting or pushing nothing in particular).
  4. I have distinct plans on learning and wanting distinct (but changing) patterns or skills.
  5. I want to see whatever improvement above everything else.
  6. I don't care "where my juggling leads". Fun-time, the doing is all that matters.
  7. none / all / mixture of the above (it - what will become of it - is an issue, though).
  8. other. / doesn't apply. / "I hate such polls". / bad choice of choices.

Thk 4 voting :o)

[ #endlessthread #poll ]

This is a competition thread which ran from 11th Aug 2015 to 23rd Aug 2015. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Last weekend for this poll before closing & results ... wanna vote? :o)

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   I have one strong vision. (2 votes)
  2.   I have a fuzzy / multiple sort of vision. (1 vote)
  3.   I am curious to see where it will get me (wanting or pushing nothing in particular). (0 votes)
  4.   I have distinct plans on learning and wanting distinct (but changing) patterns or skills. (4 votes)
  5.   I want to see whatever improvement above everything else. (2 votes)
  6.   I don't care "where my juggling leads". Fun-time, the doing is all that matters. (4 votes)
  7.   none / all / mixture of the above (it - what will become of it - is an issue, though). (2 votes)
  8.   other. / doesn't apply. / "I hate such polls". / bad choice of choices. (1 vote)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hey! .. rather many votes again :o]) Thanks!   Thanks to Marvin for sorting out the results!

My "one strong vision" is a dim and distant (but my vision of one day doing it myself is strong) more imagined than remembered black & white tv numbers ball-juggling in a manege .. I wouldn't even recognize it with today's eyes.
That vision got an `upgrade´ and refreshing years ago in that here https://www.youtube.com/v/Jp335OQpxaQ [Hiram Meza Pastor (Chile), "Juggling in Cagliari"] my vision of playful Seven Balls is pretty much reflected .. a five ball video mainly, but he does 7 balls at 1:32, 5 up 360°; cascade at 3:09; bounced against a wall (8 balls even?) at 3:40; (8x,6x) (? i think) and another 5 up 360° at 4:23, .. but it's not the tricks andor their difficulty mainly, that bewitched me, (and I might even have misconceived the video e.g. a turning-drift with "gee, he's even walking with the pattern", or e.g. saw more balls, or e.g. wasn't aware of possible fails outside the vid or..or not aware of even more difficult tricks being possible), but [ .. bewitched by .. ] the lightness and playfulness in mastering such a puzzling number of balls simply flying `all around the place´.

I am a bit surprised that only so few people have any longtime far-aim, or only would be curious to see how far or in which direction (/sub) they will get, or wanting to reach a distinct skill or pattern or level. .. Well, .. some do have (changing) part-time goals (maybe long-term in case), just not the (distinct) "one and only all-time" ambition andor destination andor vision so I guess, that half makes up for it.

Thanks again for reflecting on this "outcome of my juggling"-issue!

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. but I shouldn't wrong anyone having (strong) "goal or longtime far-aim" for not choosing "vision", which in fact has much stronger a notion of more of like a (powerful) imagined, visualized `pictured dream´. (which is exactly what I wanted to poll on)

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. so it's not so surprising after all .. Three out of Sixteen have, every Fifth, has a juggler's dream. That's great! ;o])

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

I think it might be good to have aims when we're younger.. to help push to the next level.

Eventually though progress slows, stops and then everything starts to fall apart as our bodies and mind deteriorate. "You live and learn - then you die and forget it all"

I suppose that's ultimately where our juggling leads to. But like life, it's really about the journey, the path rather than the destination.


I think we leave something behind when we stop though, a tiny piece that goes towards changing and evolving the amazing infinite juggling puzzle.

7b_wizard - - Parent

common and deprecated misconception about aging .. you forget that it's possible to early learn how to learn, to early learn how to stay aware, and to learn how to cope with and handle your own strengths and flaws (at learning on and on and pursuing aims). You never stop learning and adapting and doing and figuring out new things (need be learned first again) - getting into new stuff becomes a routine and optimized, and awareness of erroneous ways in the labyrinth is trained and stronger. Juggling is not only athletics [athletistry? athletry? lol], but a whole lot of skill.
Also researches have proven that, .. that new synapses are being built (=learning) also at old age.
I also don't think many jugglers (among all) go to their limits (daily), and many stop to practise a lot at a certain high level, so you can get to such high levels - no matter what age - by simply investing time and work (that others don't) and with ardour. ( But I'm afraid, I'll stay owing proof on that for say another decade or two haha IF I DON'T GET THAT `BREAKTHROUGH´ on "playful seven balls" .. ).

7b_wizard -

gun-to-your-head- #poll

I like juggling-videos better ..

  1. with music.
  2. without music.

thk 4 voting!

This is a competition thread which ran from 19th Jul 2015 to 26th Jul 2015. View results.

peterbone - - Parent

3. It depends on the video content.

lukeburrage - - Parent

4. Depends if the music is blocked in Germany on YouTube, and there isn't a version uploaded to Vimeo or juggling.tv

Little Paul - - Parent

5. I prefer natural sound track to silence, and "appropraiately chosen music that I dislike" to "music I like that doesn't suit the video"

7b_wizard - - Parent

2. .. I like the sound of the props in the hands and anything the juggler utters, sigh, sough, groan, moan, breathe, kiais (intimidating the props), gihaps (기합, 氣合), rrRRaaAAHH, OUFFH, PAAHW, yesss, yipi, .. everything ..

7b_wizard - - Parent

'k, then .. any random surprise juggling video, and you have to decide which one version of it with or without music, you will be seeing.

.. or - weighing the risk of seeing it without music, fitting the juggling act or music, you'd have liked over the risk of seeing it with music you don't like or that doesn't fit ..

but all that's not the point: can you even generally / in principle / basically decide for (rather) "with or without", no matter any distinct given "depends-on-this-or-that"-s.

peterbone - - Parent

Error: The problem is not sufficiently constrained.

7b_wizard - - Parent

If s/he who makes a juggling video can either add music or leave it without, would you want it "with" or "without" ` i n  t h e  f i r s t  p l a c e´ ?

peterbone - - Parent

I don't mean to frustrate you, but the term 'juggling video' is just too general. It's like asking if I like music with lyrics or without. I like both in different contexts. For short juggling videos of a single trick I like no music and the original recorded sound. For longer montage videos I like music, especially if it's been timed with the juggling in some way.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Poll is conceived for those who are willing or capable of  categorically  deciding for either option.
( I was well aware of the complexity of arguments for and against including - which what how why if - music for a distinct juggling-video .. the poll is meant to see if there's a general preference even regardless of any distinct context. Raw. )

Little Paul - - Parent

Do you like your chocolate cake
a) with ketchup
b) with mustard

7b_wizard - - Parent

"without"

It's a "yes or no" Music-poll, not "with this or with that".

Please, please, stop that witchhunt on the poll .. i did mark it "gun-to-head"-poll to avoid exactly this .. [ and my anxiety towards next Green Eggs report is increasing with every futile attack defending my poll against http://www.jugglingedge.com/greeneggs.php?Year=2015&Month=6 ahead by half more vote.. erhh! .. posts :o[ .. ]

peterbone - - Parent

I don't think anyone meant to attack you. Just explaining why I'm not voting. Why do you care so much about the Green Eggs report?

Mïark - - Parent

I am getting quite concerned with your preoccupation with guns to peoples head, is this a cry for help? In my experience of encounters with people with armed weapons, they pointed the guns at my body rather than head and issued commands rather than asking trivia questions (but my experience is obviously eurocentric).

I wouldn't worry about having a high post count on the Green Eggs Report, people like Orinoco or Little Paul regularly have an embarrassing high post count. Perhaps you could be happy to have to started a discussion about music with juggling videos and ascertaining it is not as simple as liking with or without. For me there can be other factors such as whether I like the music or how well it suits the juggling, or if I watch it via facebook or while travelling I will have the sound turned off.

Mïark - - Parent

Does the cake have icing (frosting)? Is it milk or plain chocolate (or shudder white chocolate)?
Tomato or other ketchup? English or German mustard?

mrawa - - Parent

Is the cake gluten and/or rodent free?

Mïark - - Parent

Just throwing this in here - because I can

www.heinzitup.com/en/Recipes/G/Great%20Canadian%20Heinz%20Ketchup%20Cake

Tempted to try baking this as it looks pretty amazing though 1 litre of icing sugar seems quite a lot, do Canadians have very sweet tooths?

Little Paul - - Parent

I apologise to the judges of next years chocfest for any ideas I may have inadvertently given Miark

Chris - - Parent

I would likely "delegate" the tasting of one of Miarks inventions anyway

Mïark - - Parent

Mïark now enters CCCC under a proxy name due to judges deliberately stopping him winning since the 2000 success.

mrawa - - Parent

TBH ever since watching a particularly ear wrenching video (I won't say which juggler's), I watch all on mute.*

Unless I've been told that the music adds something to it, which so far has been never...

Monte - - Parent

Is music without juggling videos an option.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thanks for not putting a question mark, .. I can that way spare an answer and not be first July's Green Egg.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   with music. (7 votes)
  2.   without music. (2 votes)

7b_wizard -

#poll How much do you juggle?

  1. (almost) not at all .. my interest in juggling is not doing it myself (but to organize, to webmaster, scientific, assisting, encourage, educate, .. ).
  2. rarely / sometimes a bit - max accumulated a few hours per month.
  3. irregularly, e.g. on vacation, weekends. Sometimes a lot, sometimes long time not at all.
  4. a few (2, 3, 4) hours per week accumulated, andor (almost) daily, but clearly less than an hour.
  5. several / many (5, 6, 7) hours a week, andor (almost) daily, and partly, can happen more than an hour.
  6. more than one hour almost daily, andor more than 7 hours a week accumulated.
  7. more than 2 hours (almost) daily, resp. >=15 hours a week. (averaged)
  8. more than 4 hours (almost) daily, resp. >=25 hours per week. (averaged)
  9. more than 7, 8 hours daily including theory, prop- & util-care, pro's stuff. MORE. Round the clock.

thk 4 telling! .. [if your shedule is not represented above, please choose whatever comes near your practice (lately / ever / under condition)]

This is a competition thread which ran from 21st Jun 2015 to 21st Jul 2015. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Let twirling, swinging, unicycling, handstands (=balancing=juggling your own weight), balancing, poiing, prop-flowing, diaboloing, astrojaxxing, .. anything, you wish to call "juggling" be included.

Maria - - Parent

Usually 4-5 times a week, during school weeks scheduled practice 3 days a week (Wednesday 1½ hours, Thursdays 2 hours and Sundays 3 + 1½ hours). Once or twice at home between that, but that's usually just half an hour. During holidays/summer usually shorter sessions (unless I'm at a convention) but still 4-5 times a week.

So somewhere between 5 and 6. I choose number 5... Even if a normal week has 8-9 hours of practice, it's more common that it is less than that it is more. It's also more common that a day has less than 1 hour practice than that it has more (normal weeks have 3 days with more than 1 hour practice and 4 days with less than 1 hour or no practice).

I'm a hobbyist and not aiming to make a living of juggling (I already have a full time job that's not juggling related at all)... It would be fun to perform a little every now and then if I had the skills to entertain an audience, but I don't think I have that and I'd rather spend my the time practicing juggling than practice entertaining.

noslowerdna - - Parent

Most weeks level 5, occasionally spiking up to level 6. This doesn't include intensive events like festivals, of course.

RegularJugular - - Parent

When Ī'm feeling like a juggler, like for the last 7 days I get in about a level 5. I've peaked higher years ago, but didn't see much faster improvements. Up until last week I'd have been at a level 2 for quite some time, so I've been slacking.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

I too have been slacking. 3 - 4 is my current score.

Samsam719 - - Parent

I am just beginning all of this, and I wish I could say that I had time to practice all day everyday. Unfortunately, that is not the case. With my full time job as a mom to my 2 children, my 40hr/wk $$ job, and taking 9 credits in college, I can only squeeze in about an hour a day Sun - Thurs,and probably 7-9 hrs total Fri & Sat. It's not where I'd like to be, but it will do for now.

Buck Rudder - - Parent

8 hours a week since one year.
Time training is my only goal each year and I'm tracking it carefully (using some iphone app each time I juggle)
Now looking for 10 hours in average and probably 15-20 hours a week next year when I'll quit my job.
(juggling balls only)

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   (almost) not at all .. my interest in juggling is not doing it myself (but to organize, to webmaster, scientific, assisting, encourage, educate, .. ). (3 votes)
  2.   rarely / sometimes a bit - max accumulated a few hours per month. (1 vote)
  3.   irregularly, e.g. on vacation, weekends. Sometimes a lot, sometimes long time not at all. (2 votes)
  4.   a few (2, 3, 4) hours per week accumulated, andor (almost) daily, but clearly less than an hour. (6 votes)
  5.   several / many (5, 6, 7) hours a week, andor (almost) daily, and partly, can happen more than an hour. (9 votes)
  6.   more than one hour almost daily, andor more than 7 hours a week accumulated. (2 votes)
  7.   more than 2 hours (almost) daily, resp. >=15 hours a week. (averaged) (1 vote)
  8.   more than 4 hours (almost) daily, resp. >=25 hours per week. (averaged) (1 vote)
  9.   more than 7, 8 hours daily including theory, prop- & util-care, pro's stuff. MORE. Round the clock. (0 votes)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thanks again, Marvin, for sorting out the results!
Wow .. so many (25 votes) took part! Thanks!
( That >=4 hours was me .. guess Ethan would be "9.", way more )
Would have predicted 2 to 4 hours per week would be average, but its nice to see more are doing round an hour per day / 5 to 7 per week in average.
Would have liked to find more compassionates doing serious amounts of lifetime, but well .. constantly an hour/day average is pretty `serious´ to pursue.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Btw, 25 participants is already expressable as percentage of all nearly 900 Edge-members .. like every 36.-th member found the poll and voted. Taking into account there's many inactive or didn't find the poll, that's maybe round every twentieth Member, (which, I think, is sort of palpable as a group in a crowd).

Mïark - - Parent

Is that a request for the poll results from Marvin to include the total number of people who voted (and that number as a percentage of people registered on Juggling Edge)?

7b_wizard - - Parent

No no, just meant to visualize the numbers (as a comment on the poll results and the many took part) in relation to `the whole´.

mrawa - - Parent

Hypothetically... if you were to do that, then it'd be interesting show not just the percentage of votes against total people registered, but maybe against users active in last week|month|year. Could also filter with && post_count > 0.

Thinking about it... are these on any of the reports (I've never actually read them)

7b_wizard -

#poll - Do you even  a i m ?

  1. yes .. at highest points or areas (of the trajectories).
  2. yes .. where I want prop to land.
  3. yes .. depending on what's in the air, like throw through the 'tunnel' or to avoid a collision or 'along' the other flying props.
  4. yes .. any of above (unrestricted).
  5. yes .. but  o n l y  when learning sth (any point #1-3) new.
  6. not sure .. maybe subconscious or automated.
  7. not that I know.
  8. other / I'm over that / never thought of "aiming" / .. / wrong question / doesn't apply / ..


thk 4 voting :o)

This is a competition thread which ran from 16th Jun 2015 to 23rd Jun 2015. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

[oops .. din' seem to work & din' get option runtime (1 week)]

7b_wizard - - Parent

[ wrong format .. didn't get options when checking "set as competition" .. @ Orinoco: Please delete, thk! (did saved html for evtl retry later) ]

7b_wizard - - Parent

(@ Orinoco) okey .. don't delete then .. everything okey .. it has become a votable thread in own dynamics lol

Orinoco - - Parent

Too late, converted to poll :P & missing poll options fixed after breaking after fixing something else last week...

7b_wizard - - Parent

Wow! Thank you soo much  a n d  plenty of it! :o) .. [thought it was my oldversion + unupdated browser] .. I get the options now.

Little Paul - - Parent

8: I usually find it most helpful to aim for the crossing point

7b_wizard - - Parent

Good point! .. forgot that one.

peterbone - - Parent

I'd put 2 or 6/7. The problem with aiming only relative to other objects in the air (eg crossing point) is that the point you're aiming for changes with error in previous throws, leading to error accumulation and eventual breakdown of the pattern.

7b_wizard - - Parent

yeh .. the pattern handles you drifting & pulling, instead vice versa ..

7b_wizard - - Parent

thats why I myself am rather #1 - aim highest point or area. (thk 4 voting this post lol)

seveirein - - Parent

Umm, my passing partner's face?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Definitely vote #2 then.

7b_wizard - - Parent

last day for this poll - anyone not voted yet? :o]

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   yes .. at highest points or areas (of the trajectories). (2 votes)
  2.   yes .. where I want prop to land. (1 vote)
  3.   yes .. depending on what's in the air, like throw through the 'tunnel' or to avoid a collision or 'along' the other flying props. (1 vote)
  4.   yes .. any of above (unrestricted). (2 votes)
  5.   yes .. but  o n l y  when learning sth (any point #1-3) new. (0 votes)
  6.   not sure .. maybe subconscious or automated. (1 vote)
  7.   not that I know. (0 votes)
  8.   other / I'm over that / never thought of "aiming" / .. / wrong question / doesn't apply / .. (2 votes)

Chris - - Parent

Options 3 and 8 spill over onto 2 lines, as does the bar. It gives the impression that they are twice as populated as they are.

7b_wizard - - Parent

That's 'cos I made these's option's texts so long.
It counts, how far the results reach to the right.

I was mainly interested in if there's jugglers not aware of any aiming at all. But also how many do aiming how.
I take: 6 voters consciously do aim - but 3 voters seem to not have to bother with or aiming (or the question) doesn't apply for them. Also, jugglers, who do aim do it in different ways. Votes in 4 or 8 ("other") might comprise aiming on crossing points of a pattern (as I forgot to list that option).

thk all 4 voting! Thanks, Marvin for results!

Chris - - Parent

My previous comment was mostly FAO our benign overlord

Orinoco - - Parent

Well spotted, bars now limited to one line.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Maybe this conclusion: aiming is not trivial or obvious.
I do find this result remarkable .. well spread between "yes, like this or that", and (maybe) "not at all", whereas one might think, aiming is trivial or obvious and everyone does it like oneself and or in the same way ..
but it seems to be quite a topic to take into account talking and comparing about in given contexts ..

Little Paul - - Parent

Maybe this conclusion

My conclusion is that 9 responses on a survey with 8 possible answers isn't a large enough sample size to draw any meaningful conclusions from

7b_wizard - - Parent

.. thinking of e.g. 56 in a sequence, collision-bound sequences in general, it is - when e.g. teaching or learning - helpful to know, that others might aim or throw in a different way .. thus how to avoid the 6 to hit the 5 would be a question of throwing either more from the middle, but also makng sure, you know where you're throwing (at), .. is sort of what i meant.

RegularJugular - - Parent

Thanks for making me think about this: It helped me. I found that like LP I typically look at the crossing point, apart from the first throw.

The first throw I look where I want it to go and then all the rest are then aimed by crossing point. Although this gets a bit weird for fountain throws but essentially still applies.

Thx :)

7b_wizard -

Poll - Attitude drops versus perfection
[sry! .. messed it up .. should come as clickable poll now .. ]
Poll is about what 'types' of juggler we are. (Own practise. Not about watching others or performers drop).

  1. Drops are necessary - if not welcome inflicting gorgeous saves become part of the trick - when trying new things and being creative
  2. I don't mind drops - they're normal part of it all
  3. I practise both modes
  4. I mostly try to not drop, but U can't avoid 'em
  5. I (eschew &) avoid drops. I want it perfect (and the pattern mastered as it were part of my body).

thk 4 voting

This is a competition thread which ran from 29th Apr 2015 to 29th May 2015. View results.

7b_wizard - - Parent

See http://www.juggling.org/help/essays/boppo.html for reference too (where the structured text starts, " Two schools of thought about how to practice: ``performers´´ vs. ``hobbyists´´ " )

Mïark - - Parent

Is this drops when practising or drops in performance?

7b_wizard - - Parent

Own practise. Not watching others or performers do drops. It's about like the type of juggler we are.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

Sorry to be difficult but I think I'm all or at least most of those. There's no progress without drops. I'd rather not drop if possible though!

7b_wizard - - Parent

wouldn't that fit into "3" then?

Mïark - - Parent

Did you set this thread as a competition? as I don't seem to be able to vote on it

7b_wizard - - Parent

sry 4 messing this up!
Managed the clickable version one post higher.
Please vote & answer there. thk
Thread closed!

Orinoco - - Parent

Threads merged!

7b_wizard - - Parent

@_Orinoco - great, thanks for such attentiveness ! :o]) .. ( I was indeed about to ask you either delete the messed up one or else manually set it competition or even else if I was to repost as i chose to do .. thx 4 fixing! )

@_those who get confused by thinking #drops are  n e v e r  wished, so options 2. to 4. of the #poll don't make a difference (which is by me nailing it all on "drops") .. simply read votes as (vote above, not here):
1 - I even like drops - it's horrible fun saving them with upto 7 contacts, waderollers included ;o])
2 - I really don't mind them, #fun is so big, I don't think about drops
3 - I practise both, free-style and perfection.
4 - Every drop is a fight lost - but alas! they're part of getting the pott
5 - I eschew drops. I just don't do 'drop'. I'm 100% on #perfection.

Marvin - - Parent

This poll has now ended. The results are:

  1.   Drops are necessary - if not welcome inflicting gorgeous saves become part of the trick - when trying new things and being creative (2 votes)
  2.   I don't mind drops - they're normal part of it all (4 votes)
  3.   I practise both modes (5 votes)
  4.   I mostly try to not drop, but U can't avoid 'em (1 vote)
  5.   I (eschew &) avoid drops. I want it perfect (and the pattern mastered as it were part of my body). (1 vote)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Thanks for voting! Thanks to Miark for results!
Guess it's me to comment (first) ..

Voted "1" 'cos rarely even trying the impossible (5b-blind; 9b-flash; [2T3456]; all-opened swiss-knife; 3b roll to ell + skip into cascade; stuff coming to my mind; .. ), there's no question botheraing about drops in any way. I mostly have many early fails, 'cos I'm mostly challenging ym limits. I am not the endurance type and cannot keep a 3b-cascade going like metronome 'cos I intuitively start varying &v body-throws &v do or think of sth new.   In fact, coping a lot with outbreakers even only led me to contact element(s) e.g. balls rolling back & forth along my underarm, penguining them or skipping them up again with handback (Or e.g. catching a ball with jaw to shoulder, or e.g. including kicks for saves) .. and that is where I originally judged "contact" "cool, but not my case to invest time in".. Thus - in my eyes or my development - contact is the consequence of dropping a lot / coping with many outbreakers / juggling a lot at all.   Trying everything to get my 7b running, though, lately, I started catching fails earlier to have a better training effect (more consecutive throwing, rather than collecting drops).

Maybe one can split point 3 to saying that 11 voters can do the "throw whatever happens"-mode, but also 7 voters can practice the "save my life not dropping on any account"-mode so to say .. the advantage of the latter should be juggling what you can rock-solid everywhere and anytime, depriving you of skipping practise time by not daring to try the possible. Going for the limits will give you gorgeous saves and short time fun on successes, you won't soon be able to reproduce. (ouffh! .. long post .. thk 4 reading lol)

7b_wizard - - Parent

OOUPS !   Xo([ .. Thank to MARVIN ! for the results. (sry for that!)

Marvin - - Parent

I'm used to it.

Mïark - - Parent

I am less used to being confused with a website bot.

The Void - - Parent

*droid.

7b_wizard - - Parent

So maybe to conclude we can say that the °let-loose-fun°-factor wins ..

 

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