Is the BJC dying a slow death?
I've not been for a few years so I was quite surprised to hear how few are expected to attend this year. Fewer than half the amount of people that used to go about 10 years ago.
Is this a sign of a fall in the numbers of young jugglers taking up the hobby or are there just more events dividing up the pool of likely attendees?
BJC numbers are always down when it's in a "far corner" of the UK. Of course, we're well down from the early 90s heyday, but that's been true for years.
The last 2 with figures for attendance on http://thebritishjugglingconvention.co.uk/wiki/index.php?title=BJC_History (both in Darton) are over 900. That's pretty good. I'm sure Perth will have been well down on that, and I guess it makes sense for Canterbury to budget on a low figure too. We'll see how it goes, I guess....
I wouldn't have called Kent a far flung corner. Not compared with Yorkshire. I suppose I'd need to know more about the concentration of jugglers around the country but I would have assumed London and Bristol to be hotspots.
Anyway I hope you're right because 500 seems a small number to me.
Where are you getting 500 from? *If* it's their budgeting figure, that's presumably a worst case scenario, and therefore it wouldn't be unreasonable to *hope for* 600-700. Dunno, I'm guessing...
From the horse's mouth. Budgeting figure is even lower.
Good to know the last couple were around 900. That's a good number.
When people are deciding between BJC or Catch it can't be a good thing.
There has to be a number where it is no longer viable in its current form.
Mind you, under 500 and we could do it at Hulver farm
British Balls Up anyone?
There are no numbers on that site for attendance for the last 2 (anyone know?). 900s were 2014 & 2015.
Well, here's hoping...
> When people are deciding between BJC or Catch it can't be a good thing.
Why not? I see that it's a risky situation, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It seems to me that the BJC does not have a right to be pre-eminent, it needs to earn that status.
I meant it can't be a good thing for the BJC. It might well be a good thing for juggling.
It already seems quite hard to get people to commit to running one, if numbers decline who's going to take the risk of making a big loss?
Maybe both can be successful?
Anyway, come to BJC and eat at Montegriffo's.....
I wouldn't have called Kent a far flung corner. Not compared with Yorkshire
Spoken like a southerner ;-)
I'm currently a southerner, living in Bristol. But I'd still rather travel to Yorkshire rather than Kent! There's this annoying thing called London in the way, which adds stress and considerable time, whatever method of transport you use.
I will make the effort anyway, because I want to go to the BJC. But I can see why anyone in the Midlands or above would think twice.
Canterbury is more than twice as far from the centre of the UK population as Darton is.
Where's the centre of the UK population?
About one in seven live in London, must be getting on for a third of the population are South of Watford.
From a comment on an Ordnance Survey page: "Yes, one of our Twitter followers suggested this too. It’s not something we’ve worked out ourselves, but @MurrayData says that using a population weighted approach centre of GB is approximately 433924E 309573N (Measham Rd Swadlincote Leics.)"
Yeah, erm, Swadlincote's in Derbys not Leics - only just, but Derbys nevertheless. Not a good start, although if I had to guess the GB population centre I'd probably go for somewhere not too far from Swad.
Also, Swad is mostly an unmitigated shithole, but then that probably makes it a good representative of some sort of median of the British population. I have worked a lot in Swad.
These Swad facts brought to you by Cedric Lackpot, who has nothing of value to add to this thread, but knows a damn thing or two about Swadlincote!
The main reason I won’t be returning to the BJC again soon, and the reason why I don’t recommend it to European jugglers when they ask me about it, is the time of year and the accompanying high chances of bad weather.
That’s the reason I’m not going again this year. The better time of year is also the main reason I’m going to the Catch festival this year.
If the BJC was held in July, I’d probably go every year.
That's rather a silly reason not to recommend it, Luke. Yes, some BJCs have had awful weather, but plenty have had good weather, even the ones held in the far flung North. Also, last time I went to the Lakes in the summer we had really quite a lot of rain.
There's no guarantee of good weather at any time of year, although it's likely to be a lot warmer in the summer of course. I'd be more inclined to talk about the shows, workshops, halls and general vibe of the BJC than the weather - if nothing else, to avoid becoming a national stereotype!
Not, it's not a silly reason. It's a major factor for me, and judging from the feedback I get from non-UK jugglers who visit the BJC, it's also the main complaint they have.
In Europe, if a convention is held in the winter, camping isn't expected. It's an indoor sleeping convention, with entire sports halls or other rooms set aside for people to lay out mats and sleeping bags. If the convention is late spring to early autumn, camping becomes an option. The BJC insists that camping is an option, even when the chances of bad weather is worse than good weather.
For example, Berlin held its convention in September last year, due to some date conflicts, and everyone expected the weather to be fine. But it wasn't. It was waaay colder than it is in May or June, the normal date for the event, and it got dark way earlier. So now the convention has moved back to the summer again.
Just so you know, the shows, workshops, halls and vibes at the BJC are no better than other national conventions in Europe. There is nothing to recommend them above conventions at better times of year and with better weather than the BJC. The chances of bad weather in March in Scotland though? Camping on the top of a mountain in Yorkshire in April, with tents being blown away? No thanks!
Rain isn't so much of a problem if the temperature isn't too bad. Just the difference from March to May was enough for it not to be too stressful for us to camp at Bungay. But the BJC that same year? Nope, we got a B&B.
Canterberry in April:
Cumbria in July:
If you are wondering about reduced numbers of people at the BJOC, I think the comparison you want is Perth, Scotland, in March and anywhere in the UK in July.
Perth in March:
Average high 6.4°C
Average low 2.1°C
Canterbury in July:
Average high 22.8°C
Average low 12.9°C
Penrith (closest city to Appleby) in July:
Average high 19.4°C
Average low 10.5°C
Conclusion: if the BJC was in July, anywhere in the UK, I'd probably go and be okay to camp every year.
I may not agree with a whole lot of what Luke has to say - and I'm pretty confident he's perfectly cool to be disagreed with - but I confidently and assertively agree that the climate is not a silly reason.
And it's certainly nowhere near as silly as saying that the British climate is unpredictable at all times of year, and therefore implying that the probability of seasonal or non-seasonal weather is immaterial regardless of the time in question!
There are a number of good reasons to hold BJCs at or around Easter - the weather is not one of them.
I have to agree, the damn weather and having to camp is always a factor that is lurking in the background, taking the edge off my anticipation. I am not the best camper - can't sleep well in a tent, so this year for the first time we have opted for the local Premier Inn. It does feel like a cop out but seeing as my hot water bottle is going to the IJC I couldn't face a week sleeping in a cold tent.
That being said the British EJC in 2019 will be in August and I am hoping that it will be considerably warmer and with little rain! Newark is only 50 miles from Swad so not far off being pretty central and we really really hope that we can entice as many jugglers, hoopers, diabolists, aerialists etc to it as we can.
As it is in Britain I am hoping to attract not only all the wonderful people from all over the world who come to EJC but all of those Brits that have never been to one before.
I know there is another EJC before it (2018 - Azores) but I am just slipping it in now so it's in your subconscious!!
PS the EJA are looking for a team for 2020, so if you know someone who might be interested in finding out more about organising a huge event like the EJC then send an email to firstname.lastname@example.org
Let me ponder my BJC camping history:
2000 - so wet I never pitched my tent, and slept in the car instead.
2001 - some nice weather, but freezing cold one night and as it pouring with rain on the last day, it was the least pleasant final day of a convention ever.
2002 - after two years of terrible weather, I skipped the BJC completely! I went to the Israeli convention instead. The weather was amazing.
2003 - didn't camp, got a room at the university instead. People complained about ice on their tents. This was Brighton, not Scotland, so the location isn't always the most important thing.
2004 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2005 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2006 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2007 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2008 - performer, and was provided accommodation.
2009 - got myself a B&B, but as this was a summer convention, I would probably have been happy to camp.
2010 - BJC switched back to a winter convention again, and I decided to skip it again.
2011 to 2013 - nope.
2014 - borrowed my parents' camper van.
2015 - camper van not an option, didn't want to camp in the same place where the previous year peoples' tents had blown away.
2016 - nope.
2017 - B&B again.
Ah look, I literally only camped at a BJC once! The only reason I kept going was being either by paying for accommodation myself, or being offered non-camping options for performing various acts in various shows.
Premier Inn is not a cop out, it's the only way sensible adults will keep returning to a camping convention in the winter/early spring!
This seems to be a wall of evidence that you have very little experience of camping at a BJC, but didn't enjoy it one time 7 years ago.
Doesn't seem fair to the British scene to spend so much time and energy discouraging others on that basis Luke.
It's not just the camping. It's the general wet and cold atmosphere. In 2009 the convention was in the summer in Norfolk. I went to the FIRE SHOW. I sat outside and watched the fire show and it wasn't the most miserable moment of my entire year. Do you know how amazing that felt? A BJC fire show which wasn't utterly unbearable to watch. Wow. And in the evenings we were hanging out on the grass between the gyms. The renegade show tent didn't need space heaters. Nobody was wrapped up for winter for no reason at all except the sun had gone down. We could watch the Sharpe brothers do their street show, just outside one day, and it wasn't remarkable that the wind wasn't so bad they couldn't do any diabolo tricks.
Then my next BJC, when hosting the games, I had to make announcements that people's tents were blowing away, and they should go check on them before we left for the gala show.
It's not about my camping experience, it's about having a relaxing time at a convention.
Again, the Berlin convention miscalculated with holding it in September last year, and the very next year it is back to June, based ENTIRELY on the weather and how soon it got dark. How did it take them one year to learn the lesson but the BJC keeps at it?
I hope that after the Catch this year and the EJC next year, people will finally learn, and the BJC can be a summer convention from now on. Or at least a late-May to late-Augst convention.
It is true the BJC fire show is consistently unbearable to watch, but I have never attributed that fact to the weather.
*Tries to donate a fiver to The Edge, for that comment*
*Finds out there's a minimum £10 donation*
It wasn't *that* funny. Cash at BJC do ya?
As others have said, you've hardly ever camped at a BJC so I don't think you're really qualified to comment. I've camped at BJCs since 1993 (Birmingham) with a few gaps and I've never felt particularly cold, been woken up by bad weather or had a leaky tent. It has *been* cold, I agree, but with decent clothing and a good sleeping bag that's not a problem. Yes, it can be cold & wet outside but I've also sat outside on the grass in a T-shirt some years. In fact the one time I've been flooded out was at EJC Ptuj (which was the very definition of wet and cold and miserable).
Of course the BJC could be in the summer. It has been, in Norwich, after plans for the usual time fell through, as you said, and it was lovely and warm. It could be any time from late May (but don't you dare schedule it against Bungay, otherwise I shall be *really* scathing). It could be at Christmas. But someone has to stand up and volunteer to run it at that time and this bid has to be voted through at the business meeting - you know how this works. They'll then have to contend with competing with other festivals (including non-juggling ones), university exams and all the others things that may not have such impact in late March/early April/Easterish, availability of venues not in the Easter holidays and lots of other factors.
There's no point writing 'people will actually learn' in the hope it will happen - it will take someone to stand up and come up with a concrete plan for a summer BJC. As you know, there's no British Juggling Association running BJCs <nails lid firmly back on big can of worms> just whoever stands up and volunteers a year of their life.
I think we have an interesting situation this year with Catch! which is kind of an alternative BJC-ish thing in the summer with great acts in the show. This may well prove that a summer BJC-ish festival could work, in which case I look forward to many more bids of this kind.
No, I think I am qualified to comment. The point of my comment is that the bad weather has been the deciding factor in why I decided not to go to the BJC. And not just once. After York and Cardiff, I didn't go back to the BJC, and went somewhere else instead. Same in 2010. Same in 2015. Same in 2017.
The people who are happy to camp in the ice/snow/wind/rain/etc of the UK in March/April? You don't have to worry about them. But what about all the people whose first BJC was Derby in 2004? How many people didn't bother coming back the next year? Even though I didn't camp, I drove home to Newcastle with two people who did, and the stop in a pub on the way home for dinner, and sitting in front of the fire, was the first time they had felt properly warm and comfortable for the previous five days.
The people who don't go to the BJC are the ones qualified to talk about why they don't go, and are 100% correct about the reasons the numbers might be down... at least for the number they represent.
The people who DO go to the BJC, by the fact they can cope with the stress of bad weather, are not qualified to talk about the reasons the people who don't go aren't going.
I've gone to the BJC once (I think 2015?). I had to sleep inside on the last night, it was a rainy festival.
I'm going again this year, very happy to bring my campervan!
That's a good point, no one likes going anywhere when it's cold and sodden. Why don't they hold the festival mid-summer?
The historic reason for the BJC being at Easter rather than in the summer is that performers are much more likely to not be working at that time. Whether as a performer in the show who charges less than their normal fee or as an attending performer who doesn't want to miss out on the lucrative summer months Easter makes much more sense. Touring circus often runs from after Easter until sometime in Autumn, so the timing would help them to attend. Nowadays BJC does not have as many professional entertainers and so this is not as good an argument as before. It still might mean that it is difficult to get the best professionals, although Rosie seems to be showing that a summer convention with enough funding can do that anyway.
If you get 2,000 people at the convention, you can pay professionals to be there. It’s how the EJC works. There is no reason a BJC in the summer can’t attract 2,000 people.
I wasn't arguing in favour of an Easter BJC. I too enjoyed the summer BJC (although it cost me earnings). I was giving one of the traditional arguments for an Easter BJC. It makes sense for professional entertainers. I'm not sure it makes much sense for the majority of people who now attend the BJC.
Yes, I understand. My first BJC in 2000, it seemed that the main influence on a large portion of the jugglers there was street performers and circus performers. These days the largest influence is other amateur jugglers. Why would anyone have a pair of stilts or a unicycle to take part in a parade? Why does the parade even exist? Does it still exist?
Oh god. Parades. Please make them stop.
I know it's quite often a hook you can dangle towards the local city council to get some money off a venue, or land some other source of funding, but when you promise them a "colourful entertaining parade of jugglers acrobats and circus folk!" they picture an old fashioned circus parade. They picture tumbling acrobats, sequins and clowns. They picture free facepainting for the public, they picture ringmasters and jugglers and absolutely everything you can't deliver.
What they inevitably get is a bunch of people half heartedly walking along juggling 3 clubs or spinning a diabolo while talking to their mates and shuffling down the local high street. At best you might get one or two people wearing balloon hats, or a teenage unicyclist trial riding on every park bench or raised flower bed they can find.
Parades are at their absolute worst when everyone is only there because you made them attend the parade as a side effect of getting the bus into town for the evening show.
Parades are shit. "Because we've always done it" isn't a good enough reason.
EJC parades can still be good fun if the weather is nice. There's often an open air show on a specially build stage at the end of it, and those are usually worth seeing, like Smashed by the Gandinis in Almere (though not like 8 Songs by the Gandinis in Lublin).
Is it the parade which is good, or is it the "show on the open air stage" bit which is good?
Because I would wager that of the two, the open air show is the bit that could stand on it's own. Do that, do more of that. Advertise it locally, get the public in as well, make a big deal of the fact that there's a show in town!
Who is the parade for?
If it's for the locals, then we're doing them a massive disservice (even EJC parades are closer to the atmosphere of a protest march than they are "rio carnival")
If it's for the jugglers, then what's in it for us apart from a show or "the games" at the end of it? If it's a show/games then why do we need to wander round the streets for an hour first? Why can't we be dropped off next to the show and just get on with the good bit?
Want to do something for the locals that actually shows jugglers in a good light? Put on more shows, run a street performing competition, run free-fringe style events in small local venues...
Just please, not a bloody miserable death march through town.
As a young juggler I really enjoyed my first 5 parades or so.. Now after 15 at least it gets a bit unexciting yes..
I've really enjoyed the EJC parades I've been on, simply due to the amount of jugglers taking part - I think there's a critical mass. EJC Almere was particularly fun (especially our Ben occasionally pausing to show the crowd his single diabolo trick and getting rounds of applause - he was 6 at the time) and EJC in Carvin was mad, as it was at night and there was fire (health & safety??). I agree some BJC parades can be damp and disappointing.
I have exactly the opposite logic. BJC is my preferred convention because it's much cooler than in the summer. This means that I can juggle a lot without getting too hot. I don't care much about being outside. At most EJCs I've been to I'm unable to juggle most of the time because of the heat and I don't like to be outside in very hot conditions because of sunburn and other risks. I normally only go to the more northerly EJCs, although Joensuu didn't work out as I expected (40°C).
Also no fun when you have to leave your tent at 8am because the blazing sun is hitting it and roasting you alive. I've camped at every BJC I've been to and the only time I was cold was 2003 in Brighton because of the ice/snow.
You're not a tropical creature like me. Give me the early morning roasting sun anyday. I'd just go and find a nice shady spot and finish my sleep there. Or go to bed earlier. Camping in the snow.. are you quite mad? I went 'wild' camping at Brecon Beacons after the green man festival. It was horrible, damp and miserable.. couldn't wait for it to end. The only enjoying part I remember was when I was sitting in my car with the heating on.
I'm going for the first time from the continent just because it's close to the border! Don't kill my hype :P
You'll have a great time. I've enjoyed every BJC I've been to. I am excited for this one.
You will indeed have an excellent time. Sadly I don't think I can make it this time (due to foreign travel for work the next week) but I'll certainly miss it.
Hi all! New to the edge, but have been lurking the forum here a while. I'm a juggler in the southeast US and have been juggling 3.5 years or so. Just attended the Groundhog festival in Atlanta, and am hoping to go to the IJA later this year. Currently working on some 4b and 5b siteswaps I can do in my apartment, but hoping to get back to grinding out 5 clubs when the weather (and dryness of my backyard) improves :) Hope everyone is having a good weekend!
Welcome to the Edge. Good luck with the 5-club grind. I gave up on it a few years ago... Realised I no longer had the time/dedication to give it. (Too many props & patterns in the world!)
Russian Juggling Convention
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On RJC2018 we make 100 workshops and 10 shows: IRC Regionals, WJF Russia, 2 Openstages, Gala show, Fire Gala, Fight Night, Basketball Freestyle Championship, Slackline festival, Unicycle games.
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It looks super fun, I hope I can make it once upon a time, but no this year sadly. Good luck!
The convention website looks great and nice to be in English too! Although I wonder if you could put some translation on the ticket page. I clicked through to have a look and it's all in Russian - this might be an important place for English so that we know which item to select.
Living in Washington DC, currently working on fun 3B patterns and 4B/5B multiplex patterns.
Feel free to say hello!
** BJC Reminder!
Pre-reg ends on the 28th February!
If you don't know already the British Juggling Convention is running Tues 3rd April 2018 - Monday 9th April 2018. In the southerly town of Canterbury. Not a million miles away from London and all places south... so if you not been able to make it up north in recent years, this year is your chance to come!
Full week Adult ticket price is currently £110 and this will go up to £130 on the door.
Everyone is welcome, please buy your tickets, please come! There has been some announcements on who will be coming along on their Facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/groups/theBJC/ and https://www.facebook.com/britishjugglingconvention
Come and hang out with old friends and new friends you haven't met yet.
Hello. I am normally not that extremely creative a guy, but last night I appear to have stumbled randomly into your beautiful webforum in a moment of temporary sleep deprivation hysteria. I read part of one thread and quite enjoyed it. You really have an interesting culture here. As it turns out that thread was a couple of years old, which I failed to notice at the time. Therefore the comment I had planned to post there is slightly too irrelevant for my taste especially since I am unfamiliar with the rules here. Instead I will post this short introduction of myself, assuming this is an appropriate place for it. I am a 30 year old hobby musician with far too much time to spare. A small portion of that time I have come to spend juggling, over the last few years. Actually I tried it one summer, learned to juggle three tennis balls in a ridiculous fashion, and then gave up. Then I came back years later, just in the last couple of months.
The reason for my giving up was, in case anyone is interested, that I did not realize you could not juggle 4 balls crossing in a continuous and regular cascade, very little of which terminology I had at that time, and so in confusion and frustration I lost interest.
I have since learned that it is possible to juggle a 4 ball cascade in a 5 ball pattern, which is what I've been doing lately. Upon reading a thread from this forum, from which I learned nothing immediately useful that I can point to, but which I found inexplicably inspiring just in its personality, I went immediately to juggle in the small hours, and performed multiple 4 ball crossing cascade flashes in a row, having only been able to do at most one in a row until that point. For this moment of focus and the joy it caused me I thank you all in excessive formality, and please have a nice day.
Welcome to the Edge, and may your juggling bring you many more moments of joy!
I also learned to juggle 3 balls many years ago, then gave up, in my case trying to learn 3 clubs. Seven years ago I picked it up again. I went to my first juggling convention a few months later and have been hooked since then. The juggling community is a very important part of the hobby for me, so I am happy that you found us here and hope that you will find your way to a juggling convention soon.
Nice post, thanks for sharing your juggling story!
I did not realize you could not juggle 4 balls crossing in a continuous and regular cascade .. yeah, that happened to me too, didn't notice that gap that necessarily will appear then, while it's obvious when you divide balls by hands that handle them (which in turn doesn't make sense for uneven ball numbers 3 balls/2 hands = 1.5, then what). Adding a fifth ball then actually made it easier.
Guess, you did 3 balls to music in a beat? There's some rhythm & music to be found in juggling if one wants to look at it that way.
cheers so far, and, yeah, like Maria: more moments of joy! :o)
Wonderful introduction, happy to have you here. I think you'll find the rules here far fewer than expected, with the culture guiding matters far more.
hi there! welcome to the egde!
just like you, i had some troubles and doubts in my begginings. i guess that's just part of being self-taught...
In this forum I found the source of knowledge and encouragement i was looking for since i first started juggling.
any doubts, just ask. the guys, and gals, of the edge will help.
also, i suggest you start writing down your practice sessions in the LOG, it's so usefull and motivating!
(too much of a saler's speach? what can i tell..? i just love this site! ;) )
Ticket sales are now open for CATCH! a juggling and circus festival in Cumbria this July. Go to the website* to purchase, or buy them off me at a juggling event like BJC of Hulabulloo club on Wednesdays, or go to a local tourist information centre in Appleby and buy them.
-...?..?..?..?.. come on I got 4 more awesome top jugglers to announce and I cant until I sell 200 tickets help me make this be the best juggling convention ever!
Word of mouth is the best way to spread the new convention to everyone so even if you cant make it, tell others, so they can come have fun!
Can I ask why your event is more expensive than the BJC (I buy early bird but your website doesn't suggest the ability to do this for your event) but also shorter? Yours is an unknown and I believe that you were aiming to get Arts Council funding for it, whereas I pretty much know what I am getting with a BJC. I'm asking because whilst I would like to go (mainly because of David Cain) I have no incentive to book early and it is at a time of year when I might get a lot of work suddenly.
> Can I ask why your event is more expensive than the BJC
BJC tickets just went up to £130; Catch tickets are £100. Shome mishtake shurely?
yeah..i dont quite know what you mean I just looked and BJC says its 130?? and mine (CATCH) is £100?
or was the BJC 90 or something until recently??? sorry I cant give a good answer but I'm not sure if this was just a mistake
Also if you think you will have to work lots and can not take the holiday to come then thats okay, no worries! it can be hard to get holidays to go to all the juggling event you want, i would end up with most of the year off! haha
take care! x
BJC was £90 or £100 when I pre-reg'd back in whenever. It's gone up now but then there is a reason why there are early bird tickets. The point was I was asking about your price compared to what I paid for BJC tickets because BJC is firstly a known festival, is a day longer and is being subsidised by the Arts Council. As someone who normally brings a small troop (aka my family) I do look at the cost of the ticket. If I'm not working I might well turn up myself but maybe not bring the other 4. Did you price Catch based on full price BJC tickets? Did you consider early bird tickets? Why are 17 year olds priced as adults when they don't earn as adults? (and yes I know the BJC is worse for teenagers). Also as someone who runs a youth circus (soon to be a community circus) it isn't just me I ask for. I tend to promote events that might interest others I know and your answer came across poorly.
take care! x
I'm not sure if you're aware of how aggressive you're coming across Nigel.
I'm sure you're not intending to do so, you're just trying to work out where the value is coming from for the ticket price - which is a reasonable question!
I get that text is a difficult medium to express tone in, however I have felt a little bit awkward reading your posts on this matter to be honest, and I'm not the one putting the event on!
It is, of course, entirely up to you what you spend your money on. CATCH! and BJC are different events.
I'm looking at the two of them, and think that personally CATCH! has more of the sort of stuff that I like, and it's a one-off event that I'm not going to get two chances to attend - so I'm happy to put my money on that horse. I'm aware that I have different criteria than you, I'm aware that I have different limitations I have to take into account. Horses for courses!
Berating Rosie for pricing her event at £10 more than the BJC advance ticket price (a price which doesn't represent what the majority of BJC attendees will pay) seems a little OTT.
take care! x
(BTW I'm liking this new way of signing off posts, I mean, I know Nigel was doing it passive-agressively, but we should do more of this wishig-people-well stuff!)
I don't see berating coming from Nigel. I see an honest question inspired by an earnest desire to know the reasoning behind the pricing, along with suggestions of points that convention organisers ought to be considering.
My first question was completely genuine and not meant in any way aggressively. I thought that the reply was dismissive and aggressive and I tried to add to my question without being a complete arsehole. I'm sorry that I am coming across as aggressive because I thought the question was relevant.
Take care. (not sure about the x)
I also found this overly aggressive. I can't see anything dismissive or aggressive in Rosie's reply to you but seeing as she was the second person to question the logic of your first post giving her the benefit of the doubt & explaining your position would have been a better approach.
If juggling festivals were simply a profit making venture I would understand the reasoning that pricing should be based on other 'competing' events. But seeing as juggling festivals are thankfully not a winner takes all capitalist venture organisers should base the ticket price on the cost of running their festival. If you set prices based on the cost of someone else's festival you are on a road to ruin.
Catch! is being held in the summer holiday season when venues & event equipment are usually at a premium so I'm impressed Rosie has kept the cost down. I spent considerably more than £100 to see Kris Kremo at EJC 2006 & it was well worth it.
Take care! x (I might auto-append that to all posts...)
As stated, I booked early bird because firstly it helps BJC and secondly it is cheaper. Catch! doesn't have an early bird price so there is no incentive to book early on. This means that Rosie will have no idea of numbers and if the weather forecast for that week is appalling (which can happen in the Lake district) less people will have the incentive to go as they will have left it until later to book their tickets (or not booked at all). If numbers are not relevant to her convention (because of alternate funding) then why put the price at £100 (which doesn't compare well with early bird BJC ticket price as BJC is longer).
I'm not doing BJC this year, our plan is to do CATCH! instead.
However, I'm changing job around Easter and I can't say for sure if I'll be able to book the time off until then, but as soon as I'm able to I'll be jumping on the booking form!
thank you! and we've still got some great names to come!
who would be on your wish list? maybe we can make it happen! :D
Oh goodness...this will be a very /me/ list. And mostly people I would want to talk to at fests, rather than perform:
Dave Kelly (what's he up to these days?)
Strictly for performers...hard to say. Maybe Alexander Kulakov? Maybe a whipping diaboloist?
excellent list!!...i know most of those without having to even look them up..i must be getting better at this!
also maybe one of the names you've mentioned will be there! keep an eye on our website/facebook for artist announcements :D
I haven't booked yet as I need to have a good think about my finances.
To be honest, I had to reappraise my attendance when I found out that cooking won't be allowed on the campsite.
(It sounds like that's out of the control of the convention organisers as it's a restriction of the site licence. Also, the convention seems to be planning to add a space elsewhere where campers can cook.)
But it's a right faff to carry a cooker, pans, and food over to a dedicated cooking area for every meal for a week. That would seriously impact my enjoyment of the festival.
So instead I've decided to look at it as being like the BJC, where it's more practical to just buy all meals from the caterers. But that adds quite a financial burden, effectively doubling the ticket cost for me.
So I would still very much like to come, but it really depends on how much money I have nearer the time!
no problem dude! take the time to make sure its the right decision, and don't put yourself under a financial burden just for a juggling convention!
Hope to see you there!
What time does the campsite open? And close? I've a long drive, so would have to work out my travels times/days.
I don't frequently check this site so apologies for a delayed response!
Campsite is opening Monday afternoon, at the moment we're saying 2 in the afternoon.
Everyone off site by 6pm Friday
Tennis 3 balls. I guess you all know this simple trick. Can you be so kind to share some of your personal ideas how to learn tennis? Funny, that most valuable idea how to learn half-shower I have got from youtube kid age about 7-8 who was droping balls constantly ))) It was drill with two balls.
OK, from a cascade, throw one ball over the top, over the incoming ball. Go back to the cascade for a while and then throw one over the top from the other hand, the one opposite the one you tried first. Go back to the cascade and repeat until you are comfortable with either hand. Finally throw one over the top and throw the next one from the other hand, which is the one you just caught, back over the top, and then back to the cascade. Notice that there are two other throws after the first over the top and the return. When this is comfortable extend the series back and forth over the top. Every third throw is over the top.
Thanks for your explanations. I guess the drill for tennis can be "one-two cascade + three over the top" and pause. Then go the opposite way. Looks like "flash" for tennis.
I think, I do the tennis-throws from higher and also catch them higher to rethrow from that height. So that the tennis-ball doesn't ever interfere with the normal (hopefully automized in your case) rest of the pattern.
Another approach is to reduce the dwelltime for the tennis ball and -throws: you do only that throw with a faster throwing movement (like hot potatoe or glowing coal) and also a good bit higher - it will then fly higher in the same time and stay well in beat and rhythm.
( I'm not all sure, all this is right, cos all three dimensions, the time, the length of the flightpath, and the dwelltime (and thrust for the height) are involved in nonlinear complex way here. )
Yes, I notice the height of tennis throw and I think some disruption of tempo is just cute pecularity of this pattern.Thanks
The key to half-shower is very similar to the key to reverse-cascade: focus on getting the low throw right, dropping just inside the resting hand position. It's very natural to think the over-the-top is the important throw, but you will progress faster if you focus your attention on getting the low throws right.
Tennis is a constantly reversing half-shower, so my best suggestion would be to work on half-shower in each direction (which will also be good for balancing your hands). After that, tennis should come easily.
At the stage you are at, Sergei, there is enormous temptation to rush to the next trick. Of course there is, it's the joy of learning new tricks that is so addictive in juggling! Nothing wrong with that. However, it's worth disciplining yourself to work on tricks in both directions. Learning both directions/hands can seem like wasted time when you're impatient to try the next trick, but training up your weak side now will truly pay off as you move to more difficult skills later.
AMEN)) I was thinking about changing general approach to juggling from my current sport orientation to MEDICAL ("every trick is just new useful exercise to improve my age-deteriorating coordination") )))) I surely like your idea of combining half-shower exercise with tennis. I already can "flesh" half-shower from right hand and need to work on life hand.
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