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The Void -

Juggling by numbers - Numberphile.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

He taught me 441 at a juggling convention in the 90s.

Mike Moore - - Parent

Enjoyed both the video, and the number of people/places that have brought it to me attention today!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Wonderful! I had never seen Colin before, great to see he can explain it so well! I hope this brings a couple new jugglers into the scene :)

Daniel Simu -

Flashing rules

In a fluke of boredom I watched Josh Horton flash 6 iPhones in slow motion. I noticed that the first catch is made before the last prop is released, which fairly obvious in retrospect but I had never thought about it before.

However, this brings me to a new question: Would I be allowed to set an official record flash with an even amount of objects if I offset the right and left hand timing even more? Like, for example, if I were to flash 6 balls.. first throw 2 on the right, and only then join in with the left hand? Would this make the juggling easier (probably) and has anyone experimented with this pattern?

Thanar - - Parent


A flash occurs for a given number of objects in an explicitly stated pattern when the number of catches made is at least the number of objects being juggled. The first catch to be counted cannot be made until all props but one, or one per team member, have been thrown. All props must be thrown by the juggler(s) and caught in the order and to the hand dictated by the chosen pattern. Multiplexing is not allowed." - Juggling Information Services Committee on Numbers Juggling (JISCON) Numbers Juggling Rules & Definitions

Based on the above definition (used for records tracked by JISCON, Wikipedia and the Juggle Wiki), Josh Hortons 6 iPhone flash is a valid flash. I'd bet most flashes have the first catch made before the last prop is released, since that's the "normal" way to do a flash.

Based on the above definition, if you offset the left hand timing even more, so that a prop is caught while two props have not yet been thrown, then that catch would not count. Your flash attempt would officially have only 5 catches, and not be a flash.

Mike Moore - - Parent

The world needs more people like Thanar.

Orinoco -

I managed to make my first TWJC session in an age last night to celebrate the club's 25th anniversary. Only Kevin, Dave K. & myself from the old old guard but lots of people from the new old guard which was lovely to see & it was great to catch up with good friends. Kev is still insisting that the first plate is still spinning by the time he finally gets his multi-plate contraption up on his chin. Archie is now a foot taller than me. I can just about still juggle 5 clubs but have to fight every throw, but why would I worry about juggling when there was so much cake available?

& don't think I didn't see you chasing that poor cat across the car park after the pub Kevin.


DavidCain -

Very sad news.

Orinoco - - Parent

I'm ashamed to say I'd never seen any of his acts before now. What a fantastic showman. A very sad loss.

Richard Loxley -

Bath juggling club - a review.

My first juggling club was the Bath club, at the Window Arts Centre. I went there from about 1994 till I moved to Bristol in the late 1990s. It survived for many years, but folded quite a while ago.

Now Henry Lawrence and Charlie Dancey have started up a new juggling club on a Thursday night. It's been running a couple of weeks now. I guess you'd call it a 'soft launch', in that they have gently publicised it by word of mouth to a few local jugglers, but don't seem to have listed it anywhere yet or set up a website.

I was busy the first two weeks packing for and attending Broxford, but I went along last week to check it out.

The venue is Pipley Barn, in Lansdown (at the top of the hill on the northern outskirts of Bath). This barn has been recently renovated by Henry, and I think he's intending it as a multi-use space: camping barn, cafe, music studio, and event space.

It has been beautifully renovated, although there's still a bit to be finished, so the main space had a few piles of unassembled kitchen cabinets and shower cubicles in the corner!

There were five of us there last Thursday, which was nice and friendly: me, Henry, Charlie, Robin & Linda. The club is advertised as suitable for juggling, board games, playing music, and consuming tea and snacks.

There is a main event space, which is the main barn space with a pitched roof and wooden roof trusses. If you stand under the peak I think you'd probably be able to juggle five clubs. I had no problem juggling three clubs anywhere. For passing I think you'd need to stand across the hall so you missed the trusses. With the current piles of building supplies that would probably limit you to four people passing at a time, but once those are cleared there may be room for more club passers.

As well as the main space there is a large kitchen, then the corridor leading to the toilets opens out into a small lounge area with sofas which would be great for socialising or playing music. Down the corridor are what will I believe be an accommodation area and a recording studio once work is finished.

The main space also has tables and chairs stacked up (I think it will eventually be a cafe during the day), so room to sit and chat with a cuppa.

The club has a lovely chilled vibe (as you'd expect from a space that Henry has put together). I'll definitely be back :-)

The barn is hard to find if you haven't been there before. It's nestled amongst fields, woodland and the golf course in Lansdown, next to the Cotswold Way footpath. Here's a link to it on Google Maps: It includes photos of the barn (pre-renovation).

To get there, drive north out of Bath on Lansdown Road. Go past the Golf Club and Racecourse. You then turn left on a private drive (towards Brockham End) - the turning is before you get to the Sir Bevil Grenville monument or the turning to the Avon Fire Service centre.

Go along the drive (noting the "No entry, private drive" sign!). After you come out of the woodland it opens out on to the golf course, with a tiny wooden signpost showing "Pipley Barn" to the left and "Brockham End" straight on. Turn left here onto a rough gravel track. It is very easy to miss, particularly in the dark. If the road dips down you have gone too far and are heading down to Brockham End.

After turning left onto the gravel track continue as it turns to the right. Then Pipley Barn is on your left. Henry puts out an easel with a juggling sign on it, but it's easy to miss in the dark. I've suggested he put a light on it to make it more obvious. There are absolutely no street lights up there so it is pitch black!

There is parking for about half a dozen cars in the barn courtyard, and probably a few more on the side of the track outside.

Highly recommended for a chilled juggling and social experience! Plus you get to reminisce about the good old days of juggling with Charlie Dancey ;-)

Here's the official details from Henry:

We are restarting the Bath Juggling Workshop.

Where: The Institute of Excellence, Pipley Barn, Brockham End, Lansdown, Bath, BA19BZ

The barn is near the 7th tee on the Lansdown golf course, and near point (1) on the map .

When: Every Thursday evening starting 7 September 2017 from 7 pm.

What: Juggling hall with lots of spare props.
Board games (Chess, poker dice, BN1, Khet 2.0, Settlers of Catan, backgammon)
Table football / airball / mini-snooker
Do it yourself BBQ (weather permitting)
Fire juggling
Musical instruments
Leaf teas, ground coffee, cakes and biscuits.

Cost . Free first time, then £5 (waged) or £2.50 (children and concessions)

Hope you can come.

Henry Lawrence and Charlie Dancey

Richard Loxley - - Parent

I went to the Bath club again last night. Very quiet this week - just me and Henry!

Still, we had a good passing session (just 4 count while Henry gets his eye back in). It also inspired Henry to turn out his juggling bag until he found his magician's thumb tip, which is useful for protecting his injured thumb from being bashed by unruly clubs. So hopefully we can now get Henry doing more passing again :-)

We also had a nice little session playing guitars in the corner. (Last week I picked Henry's brain for advice on buying a second-hand guitar. I bought one at the weekend, and wanted to see if I'd done ok. Henry thought I'd got a very nice guitar at a very good price, so that's a result. I'd also always been very impressed with Henry's guitar, and in a side-by-side comparison my one stands up as being in the same league as his, which makes me happy. Mine is from the some stable as Henry's (a Yamaha FG700S, compared to his 40-odd year old FG140).

The barn has had a bit of a tidy up since last week, with much of the building materials and clutter tidied away. Still a bit more to do, so Henry is holding off on a publicity blitz until it's all cleared away.

Of particular interest is a wood burning stove waiting to be installed (sometime next week I think Henry said?) That will be very nice in the winter warming the hall, and giving a nice focal point. Will it be the only juggling club with a wood burner?

Our passing allowed us to evaluate how well the hall works as a juggling space. As expected, passing lengthways down the hall wasn't so good because of the roof trusses. It worked, but doubles would be impossible, and singles were only a few inches away from the beams, so at risk if the pattern wasn't perfect.

Passing across the hall worked absolutely fine though, plenty of height. There is a pendant lamp hanging down in the middle of the hall (as well as all the halogen spotlights). We didn't ever hit it, but Henry is wondering about a pulley system to pull it out of the way during the juggling workshop.

As is customary with juggling club reports, the important stuff:

Tea: no loose-leaf tea this week, but the tea-bags were posh individually wrapped ones, in a china teapot with gold motif, served with milk in a matching china jug. 9/10

Biscuits: milk chocolate digestives, followed by shortbread fingers. 7/10 (would be higher but Altern8's posh biscuits have spoiled me!)

It would be nice to see a few more people at the club, it really is a very sweet space with a lovely vibe. Using a space owned by a juggler feels so much more at home than a church hall!

The Void - - Parent

I'll come at some point. I was considering it this week, but Thursday crept up on me too quickly.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

It has a habit of doing that. I think they should delay it by a day. In fact most days creep up on me. Maybe we should delay every day by a day?

peterbone - - Parent

Can I ask how the wood burning stove is protected from juggling props? I have one at home and we already broke the glass once with a stray club. Some kind of screen is needed without looking too ugly.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Currently just a sheet over the top (it's not installed yet).

Annoyingly the place where Henry intends to install it is the middle of the wall on the longest side of the hall, which is also the best place for passing due to the roof trusses!

It's opposite some floor-to-ceiling glass doors, which Henry intends to cover with a screen when the juggling workshop is on. I'm guessing he'll also need to invest in a wire mesh fire guard too to put around the burner!

Orinoco - - Parent

When you say 'we'...

peterbone - - Parent

Well I didn't want to put blame on anyone in particular but it wasn't me.

Orinoco - - Parent


Richard Loxley - - Parent

After just two people last week, it was good to see word had spread, and we had eight people this week :-)

Henry, Charlie and Robin were there running things. I came along with my mum (not a juggler, but she was visiting, and was happy to come and listen to Charlie's stories of the good old days). And Jade, Lindsay, and Scott were doing some fine acrobalance when I arrived.

The wood burner has been installed, and despite the rather mild weather, was fired up. Very nice. I passed on the suggestions about protecting the glass door in some way :-)

Tea was back to loose-leaf again this week, but the china teapot could do with being bigger with that number of people! Snacks included popcorn and some sandwiches instead of biscuits.

I did some old-school passing with Scott (fast four count with lots of tricks). Scott, bless him, gave me some spiel about how he was about to throw a double-spin pass at me that would arrive at an unexpected time, and not to panic. I gently pointed out that I'd been passing for 23 years, and he could throw whatever he liked at me and I'd be fine ;-)

Charlie then joined in and we did 4-count/2-count feeding with run-arounds.

Eventually I managed to persuade them to do some proper lefty/righty stuff, so I did a simple pass-pass-self feed while they attempted 3-count. That felt so much better :-)

At some point Henry started playing guitar in the lounge, and people gradually migrated, picking up instruments on the way, to finish up with a nice little live music session. Jade on viola, Lindsay on guitar, Henry on washtub bass, and Scott singing. I think there may have been some harmonica too? I'd love to get my guitar playing up to a level where I could join in.

Sadly we had to leave then as my mum had an early start the following morning.

Great vibe as always. I'll be back next week.

Daniel Simu -

EP10 of JJ with Manuel Mittasch

The 10th episode of Juggle Jabber! I didn't think there would be so many when I started, but now I can't wait to work on the next 10! There might not have been a single interview ever without the Edge, so thank you guys :)

As always, comments and feedback are welcome in any form!

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hi, I happened to just watch the Triolar I'view that was still on my to watch list - funny atmosphere (You did well as ``Pascha´´ - "You girls do the talking, I'm meanwhile in charge of the goodies on the table and will interfere only when a topic is done."). I didn't acoustically understand it all, though, .. I think most people interviewed aren't aware, a far away micro needs an effort to speak clear, .. half sentences are being swallowed still well understood in the room, but not by the micro that doesn't get the full volume, not the full sound-spectrum of the voice - maybe it's an option to consider, putting a micro near the talk, on the table or so. The Matthew Tiffany one was great, very interesting. I'm very much looking foreward to the Gilligan one. I hope, you get more feedback.

Mike Moore -

Overcame a mental barrier

Was having a horrible time beating my personal best of 120 catches of 7b. After ~forever, I finally snapped that mental barrier and got three runs of >150 catches today.

No deep conversation necessary, just happy :)

The Void - - Parent

Well done!

Stephen Meschke - - Parent

Looking at your 7 ball cascade records, you have been making linear gains for the last several years. You are pace to break 200 next year, or the year after.

Have you been training the same way recently? I have noticed a lot more log entries from you lately.

Mike Moore - - Parent

I was pretty surprised by my linear progress, which I suppose has been updated infrequently enough to smooth over INTENSE non-linearity in practice. For example, I only juggled three balls from Feb-July of this year. Largely because of that restriction recently being lifted, I've been enthusiastic about 7 and 9b since then, and have been practicing those.

I log when two things are satisfied:
1) I think I'll be able to practice fairly frequently
2) I am practicing by myself (I don't log club practices, because they're an order of magnitude less useful for improvement)

I think at this point I'll give 7b endurances a rest and practice 7b tricks and techy stuff for 9b.

It's Him -

In the ongoing aim to promote a juggling convention just outside Milton Keynes, I am happy to start another thread.

People who use Facebook will possibly be aware of (maybe even invited to) the MKJC8 event on the Milton Keynes Juggling Convention page. The event page is where all the latest news will appear first but eventually I will transfer the information here as well.

So far announcements that have been made:

The main trader has changed from Beard or Butterfingers (both of which are sadly no more) and will this year be JAC. Gale Francis will also be there selling her FunRa's Fun Things.

The first act of the show will be no surprise to anyone who has ever been to MKJC before.

The second announced act is Void. As he is on the juggling edge (and I really wanted to capitalise there) he can tell you as much as he wants to about his act.

Further acts will be announced in due course and if all of those people who have said provisionally yes appear in the show it will be a great line up.


No longer the organiser


The Void - - Parent

Yes, I'll be doing stuff onstage, and perhaps not doing stuff as well, but in both cases, without kendama. :D

JonPeat -

The Berlin Juggling Convention - Review

I went to the Berlin Convention.
Lots of things happened.
I wrote about them here:

Cheers, Jon

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks for making me feel like I was there!

Mïark - - Parent

Did "Herlene" ask you to spell her name like that?

JonPeat - - Parent

... I don't know what you mean...

Thanar -

Here is a playlist of the records broken or set in the World Record Challenge at the Guelph Juggling Fest 2017.

3 ball lazies: 2 minutes and 7 seconds by Matan Presberg
3 ball shoulder throws: 204 catches by Jorden Moir
3 ring backcrosses: 183 catches by Matan Presberg
3 club flats: 10 minutes and 42 seconds by Nick Thomas

4 ball lazies: 54 catches by Matan Presberg
4 ball box: 3 minutes 57 seconds by Matan Presberg

7 balls isolated: 1 minute and 43 seconds by Matan Presberg
7 ball 867: 188 catches by Matan Presberg
7 ball claw: 7 catches by Nick Thomas

9 ball reverse: 16 catches by Matan Presberg

Foot juggling
3 ball: 1 hand & 1 foot: 56 catches by Jorden Moir
4 balls: 2 hands & 1 foot: 142 catches by Jorden Moir

Speed juggling
4 ring speed: 232 catches in 1 minute by Nick Thomas
6 ball speed: 312 catches in 1 minute by Matan Presberg

Slow juggling
3 ring slow: 32 catches in 1 minute by Sydney MacDonald
4 ring slow: 76 catches in 1 minute by Sydney MacDonald
4 ball slow: 63 catches in 1 minute by Nick Thomas

Mike Moore - - Parent

Yeehaw! Thanks again for coming!

Orinoco - - Parent

+ Number of records set or broken at a single festival: 17?

That is an impressive set of records, congrats to all those involved.

Mike Moore - - Parent

18 last year at Guelph fest! I guess we're going down hill (I blame myself...I didn't set/break any this year. Too much running the fest, not enough juggling).

There was a world record challenge at IJA 2013, too. It looks like a subset of the broken records is available here:

I don't know the total number of records broken there.

Thanar - - Parent

I've still got one video left to upload (Sydney MacDonald with 16 min of 4b full reverse fountain), so it should end up as 18 records for WRC at Guelph Fest 2017.

As to previous World Record Challenges...

The first WRC was in 2010 at WJF 5. Prizes were only for surpassing existing duo numbers passing records.

In 2011 there were WRCs at WJF 6 and the IJA festival. The records expanded to solo numbers juggling records in addition to two-person numbers passing (i.e. the records tracked on the Juggling World Records Wikipedia page at that time). The prize for "missing records" was also introduced to encourage jugglers to attempt a flash or better of passing 17 rings or solo force bouncing 11 balls, the only two records considered missing at the time!

WRC 2013 was at the IJA fest in Bowling Green, OH. The records expanded to everything tracked by Juggle Wiki. Missing records were greatly expanded with minimums set for each, based on discussions I had with Alex Lubker. About 28 records were set or broken by a wide range of jugglers, with Thomas Dietz breaking the most.

Then came the WRCs at Guelph Mini-Fest 2016 and Guelph Fest 2017.

Tomorrow another WRC begins at JuggleMIT 2017, so stay tuned...

Mike Moore - - Parent

What you're saying is 28 records in one fest is the one to beat. I'll have to start training for the next time the WRC comes to a fest I'm attending!

Mike Moore - - Parent

Actually, I'll train especially for if you come to the next Guelph fest. It needs more people/publicity! (and I really thank you for helping with that)

James Hennigan - - Parent

I haven't watched the entire video, but I think Gatto does 7 for about 10 minutes without moving his feet here:

peterbone - - Parent

I'm not sure that counts as isolation for some reason. I watched Ofek Snir do 7 balls without moving his feet for over 12 minutes at the EJC last year.

Mike Moore - - Parent

The most convincing argument I heard was that the inability to move has a psychological on people. I've found this to be true in my experience.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Such a nice idea to set these records at the convention! I've been thinking about setting a few records lately, but I can't get the motivation to actually film them or practice tricks which I could run over a minute... In a convention/group setting I'd feel less awkward to try and less pushy to post, yet we'd still stretch juggling as we know it!

I might try and introduce this at some convention here in the EU in the future :)

And congrats on the results too!

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