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lukeburrage -

An Anthony Gatto appreciation thread:

https://youtu.be/yjoBZei2xmY

Unedited video of his practice session at the BJC2k:

https://youtu.be/gtsaTMdKVTM

Orinoco - - Parent

Haven't watched either video yet as I'm currently at work with no time or sound but I'm really excited about watching this again. I was sitting on the floor at the time completely mesmerised. Mostly curious to see how far my recollection of the session differs from reality after 17 ye... FFS 17 YEARS!

Also looking forward to what else comes out of your box of old tapes!

lukeburrage - - Parent

I have another 6 hours from the BJC2k I'm going to look through over my coming work trip. From what I saw when capturing the videos (which wasn't a lot) I can tell you that people fucking SUCKED at diabolo 17 years ago. It's cringeworthy.

Little Paul - - Parent

If you're digging up old tapes, I think I've still got some of your digi8 tapes around here somewhere

I have nothing to play them back on, and no idea where they are from - but if you want we can probably work out a way to get them back to you?

lukeburrage - - Parent

Okay, sounds good. Jugglermail might be able to get them to me, or if there are only a few I'll pay for postage. What do the tapes say one them? I don't remember not having any.

Little Paul - - Parent

I'll dig them out and look. I'm pretty sure they're from a BJC, If I had to guess it would be somewhen around 2008ish

I think I ended up with them because someone from byjoty that year wanted your footage of their act, but your camcorder had died so you couldn't play the tapes.

Once I've found them I'll drop you an email and we can work out how best to get them to you.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Probably 2005, as I think my camera was on the blink after that, and I switched over to using Pola's mini-DV camera instead.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I'm looking forward to watch the practise session soon. What does 2k stand for in BJC2k?

Dee - - Parent

k is shorthand for thousand; so "y2k" was the "year 2000"; it's probably more typically used when referring to amounts of money, but around the turn of the millennium, it was quite common to refer to it as y2k [or 2k if, as with the BJC, you had other preceding acronyms].

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Thanks, that makes sense :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Btw, is that KHH and Olivier Groszer sitting in the background?

Daniel Simu - - Parent

KHZ*

Colin E. - - Parent

Yes, and Ben Jennings too.

peterbone - - Parent

And Beinn Muir taking notes of everything Anthony does.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Yes. I was going to mention some of the people watching, but thought I'd leave it up to the eagle eyed viewers to spot them and work out who they all are.

JonPeat - - Parent

This is a question intended for anyone who was there and may know the answer...

Did Anthony juggle those same red renegade clubs in the BJC Gala Show or did he use clubs of a different colour?


Gatto donated an old set of 3x Renegade Clubs (which he had signed and which were light blue in colour) to the BJC raffle that year.
I was wondering if that set of clubs had been juggled in the Gala Show or if anyone knew if they were an older performance set.

The next question is: does anyone know where the light blue clubs were performed or what era of Gatto's career they came from?

Cheers, Jon

mike.armstrong - - Parent

Those clubs with the light blues decorations were in the convention "office" for the whole event (I juggled them) so they weren't used in the Public Show. I don't know if/when he used them on stage...
Cheers
-Mike

ChrisD - - Parent

Great to see this, thanks. Having attended 4 BJCs in a row, I decided to miss this one. A decision I've never regretted in the slightest as I was just getting together with a wonderful girl and decided to invite her on holiday to Cornwall instead. We have been together for 17 years now.

Still, I've often wished I could have attended this as well and seen Gatto live. I still can't juggle even as well as he could at age 8 (the oldest video of him I could find http://juggling.tv/15335), and probably younger too. Is it really true he could juggle 5 balls at age 5?

peterbone - - Parent

I don't see any reason to doubt that he could do 5 balls at age 5. Here's Matan doing 6 at age 6.
https://youtu.be/BP2Bve7UjSI

Cedric Lackpot - - Parent

If I remember correctly it was Albert Lucas who was rumoured to be able to do 3 at 3, 4 at 4, and 5 at 5.

Daniel Simu - - Parent

I have a picture on my drive which originally had a description saying he was 4 years old. There he is juggling 4 balls and spinning one ring on his leg.. But I don't know if that description is true and can't remember where I got it from :(

ChrisD - - Parent

I can't offer any definitive source saying Gatto could juggle 5 at 5, I'm afraid. This well known article does imply he probably could (and I take Peter's point, through the amazing 6 at 6 Matan, also) :

'It was Nick who first taught Anthony to juggle, in 1978, a few months before Anthony turned 5 years old.'... '"I noticed that after a few weeks, his progress was becoming more and more rapid,” Nick later said'....'So rapid that at times he didn’t even have to learn to do the higher number. Like when he went from three to four, he never had to practice four balls. He could do four balls. He never had to practice five balls. He could do five balls.'

http://grantland.com/features/anthony-gatto-juggling-cirque-du-soleil-jason-fagone/

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Yeah, also taking in account Anthony said he was training since he was 3.

" But I feel lucky because I get to do something different from the one thing I grew up doing since I was 3 years old." http://www.floridatrend.com/article/19006/a-famous-jugglers-concrete-plans

Bendy Dan - - Parent

He ran a workshop at that BJC, which I went to; the only things I can remember from it are:

1. learn headbounce, practise everything with headbounce, it'll make everything else more solid.

2. use superglue to stick your hands back together after the skin dries out and splits from juggling too much.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Fantastic! .. juggling from another planet. Thanks for sharing.

The Void -

Jon Udry & The Void are doing a juggling Kickstarter.
Check it out, if you'd be so kind! https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonudry/jon-udrys-abc-tour

Dee - - Parent

The accompanying video provides evidence of me juggling. That in itself is a rare, collectors item :)

The Void - - Parent

Doubly rare: Evidence of you *and Richard* juggling. At the same time!

Orinoco - - Parent

This is a great concept. So many possibilities! I'm in for a plugger.

The Void - - Parent

Whee, thanks! Glad you like the idea.

mtb - - Parent

Definitely looks exciting. Looking forward to seeing how this goes.

The Void - - Parent

Thanks. Yep, it's an exciting idea, but it goes nowhere unless people *pledge*!

Gizza quid, people! :-)

mtb - - Parent

I will put the cost of a couple dinners out in the hat in the next few days, I hope.

The Void - - Parent

Cheers.

mtb - - Parent

Done. Here's hoping that the president does not tank the ZAR to GBP exchange rate in the next few weeks. :P

The Void - - Parent

Thanks, dude, much appreciated.

jonudry - - Parent

The next 15 people that pledge money for this project (minimum £10), will get a personalised video message from me (juggling included). Come on people! Pledge. Share the heck out of this project! We can do this!!!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonudry/jon-udrys-abc-tour

The Void - - Parent

(Sorry if this is seeming a bit like spam, but hey, it's juggling, and the "ignore this thread" button is right there. Anyway…)

If you didn't spot all the clues, the answers are here: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonudry/jon-udrys-abc-tour/posts/1788258

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Oooh, I'd never noticed the 'ignore this thread' button. Is that new-ish, or was it there from the beginning?

Danny Colyer - - Parent

It's certainly not new. Doesn't always work, though (I really ought to mention it to Orin some time, maybe the next time I get an example).

mtb -

So we unfortunately cancelled the #ECMiniFest scheduled for today after getting essentially no response. We did not really try too hard to market it though, since it was really just that I would be passing through Queenstown on my way back to uni in PE around this time.

I actually passed through on Thursday night, so we did something anyway!

Got in in the the late afternoon, and quickly found Gerrit's house. He welcomed my partner and I, and we unloaded the car, which included my 29" off-road unicycle. After messing around with rings in his lounge, we headed out for supper, and his circus' practice space, in the indistrial area. After picking up some takeaways, we got there. Really nice big hall, with a fair-sized stage at one end.

There were a whole bunch of unicycles lying around, along with all sorts of other props. I briefly tried walking on a 44 gallon drum, but it had been abused by the circus kids, and was not round enough to fill me with confidence. Also, the floor looked hard.

I put the 29er together, which he enjoyed trying to get the hang of. Being from the Netherlands, Gerrit is a tall bugger, and I had to move the brake lever to get the seat high enough for him to be comfortable.

We tried doing some basic passing using his pirouettes (which are nice clubs, which spin a bit faster than Delphins). Since I am new to passing, we only worked on a six-club four count. In contrast to my previous brief attempts at club passing, it was actually coming together. Probably because I have a bit more experience just juggling clubs now. I showed off my shiny new led poi, and gave him some basic stuff to teach the kids. I also gave him some ideas for pole balances.

By now it was getting to about 22:30, so we headed back to his place. My partner, being a juggling widow, went to bed. Gerrit and I looked at a few social siteswaps, off Sean Gandini's DVD. We identified a three person pattern that looked tractable for the next day, if his other juggling friend was free. We also did some other juggling. I mentioned 633, which he had not tried before, but quickly had the basic timing in place. I taught him Olas, which is a lovely pattern. He showed me a table pattern (I think it was 0.5p 1.5p 2.5p or similar). We finished with a couple videos and a bit of five ball (flashing in my case, running a bit in his). I think I got to bed at about 2am.

We were up fairly early (around 8) the next morning to do some more. The first attempt at four-count went fabulously, but we peaked early. The rest was ok, and was getting a lot more comfortable. The higher ceilings in the hall meant that 633 was more comfortable, and I worked on it a bit. Conclusion: my 6s are far too inaccurate to be of any earthly use to anyone. Will have to work on that. He showed me a couple of 4 ball things to work on, and I showed him some of my weird claymotionesque patterns, which he liked. We also worked on a couple of Prechac passes, which are really fun! I tried a jump mount and one-foot, one-hand mount for rola bola, which I got quickly enough. He gave me some tips for my unicycling idling, which I think helped, I just need to practice.

By now it was essentially lunch time, so we headed back to his house to pack up and head on home.

It was really great meeting another juggling/circus person in person and geeking out with them, so even though the event did not happen, we will likely try again, if I can drum up some interest here in Port Elizabeth. I also really want another club juggler to start passing with, because that was loads of fun, and I want to try more than just four-count next time.

So yeah, my attempt at a juggling convention report. Even though just meeting another competent juggler is not really a convention, I will take it. ;)

The Void - - Parent

From little acorns...
Nice read, thanks for sharing it.

Orinoco - - Parent

Sounds like you had a great time. That was a very enjoyable read, thank you!

mtb - - Parent

Definitely a good time. Just a pity that he lives 5 hours drive away.

And I can glad that you be The Void enjoyed the read.

lukeburrage -

I don't share many of my juggling videos here at the Edge, but this one is an exception:

https://youtu.be/M22bYjTWJw0

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Well done! The third song is my favorite, it's funny!! Thanks for running the poll again this year :)

A suggestion, perhaps put the names of the jugglers in the subtitles?

lukeburrage - - Parent

Nah, I'll leave it to people to do their own research.

pumpkineater23 - - Parent

If the names were listed then some people might watch with the sound off and miss out on Luke's amazing rapping!

As always I enjoyed the video. The top 40's inject lots of very positive stuff to the juggling world I think, thanks for doing them.

furlisht - - Parent

Nice one, didn't expect that! Thanks again!

Ludvig Landgren -

Hey guys, Happy New Year! :D

So since I'm a bit of a beginner when it comes to siteswaps, I have a question about multiplexes ([33]):

- How do you count catches with multiplex (that is: throwing two balls with each throw)? Would you count one catch per two balls, since it's >one< throw, or would you count each as two, seeing as you're actually catching >two< balls more or less at the same time?
By this I mean: does each throw result in one or two catches? :/
If you were going to add a record on the Edge for example.

And also: if any of you have any tips about triplexes ([333]), how do you guys start a cascade? I've found it next to impossible to hold six balls in one hand, and I'm using regular-sized (ca 63cm) beanbags. Is there a trick to it that I don't know about yet?

I hope my questions make sense; I've found it's rather hard to explain...

The Void - - Parent

How about starting with 5 & 4 balls in each hand, and starting with ([33],3x)? (I'm not sure if "3x" is correct, but I mean a 3 to the same hand.)

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hi & happy new year, to you too! .. Don't have that issue, as I don't do stacked ones, so I count "balls caught".   Even for stacks, I'd think, even though you were counting and recording "balls caught", the pattern would imply they're thrown in pairs. I'd comment "#n pairs thrown" or "duplexes thrown" and-or "#n balls caught" anyway, though, I guess.

Ludvig Landgren - - Parent

Alright, thanks for the reply!
I guess I just like throwing them Koblikov-style (i.e. stacked) so maybe I could count "stacks" and have the siteswap pattern explain the rest? A stack of [33] being two balls/catches and [333] being three...
I'll work on it :)

Daniel Simu - - Parent

for ([333]), if you're using beanbags, I guess you could pinch the corners of 3 balls together and hold them with your teeth. Load them into your hand after the first throw!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Or balance 3 balls on the back of your hand after turning it palm down with 3 other balls in the hand.

I'm sure there are many creative ways to solve this problem. Kickup, put the balls on a table, do a 3 ball cascade while holding the other 6 like how people start 9 with russians, and then do a 543 into squeeze catch.. Saggy small beanbags would probably help.

Ludvig Landgren - - Parent

Thank you for the ideas, I'll be sure to try different ways :)
I know it'll probably be way easier with smaller beanbags, but I just like the size I already use.
I'm gonna have to look up "squeeze catches" though.

Thanks again!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

Its the opposite of a multiplex, catching multiple objects in the same hand at the same time!

Daniel Simu - - Parent

It's*

(@orinoco how about an option to edit a post within 1 minute of posting?)

Ludvig Landgren - - Parent

Ohh! You've given me something new to try out!
Thanks :D

Daniel Simu - - Parent

for some inspiration:
https://youtu.be/Qx9Mr_J05CE

Ludvig Landgren - - Parent

Wow, I've never seen that one before!
I guess the rumours are true: Luke is indeed awesome.

John R -

Feeling prompted by a christmas card from the Beaks to remember a few people. I know it won't be comprehensive, and I knew some of them a lot better than others, but here's to Aidan Burns, Nick Beak, Ben Beever, Mike Bridges, Gary Blake, and Vid Warren. The world was and is better because of them.

...and looking back over that list, can someone please wrap Luke Burrage in cotton wool for the next couple years?

Please feel free to add more names if there's anyone else you'd like us to think of. I would also like to briefly plug national bereavement week in early May, and espcially the Pushing Up Daisies programme in Todmorden, who are fantastic for talking about and facing death and bereavement.

lukeburrage - - Parent

Is there something I should know?!?!?!???!?

John R - - Parent

Just there was a very strong preponderance of the letter B, and then you were the first non-dead juggler to come to mind with a suitable surname!

Alive, that is, not a zombie juggler.

peterbone - - Parent

:-(

John R - - Parent

Well, this is awkward...

Please don't die until a very great age and/or reaching all your personal goals!

Orinoco - - Parent

Gone but not forgotten.

Why do you want to suffocate Luke though? Seems a bit harsh.

Tom Derrick - - Parent

I'd like to add Ashton Launcherley to that list.

Orinoco -

& the first thing I've made this year is a silk juggling simulator. Not sure if it will work on touch devices because I don't have one to test with but it might work.

I've always found silk juggling a bit naff but I find this strangely addictive & therapeutic.

I wonder if we can get this into JugglingLab?

The Void - - Parent

Not working on iOS.

Orinoco - - Parent

Damn you 2017!!!

Hold on, is that any better?

The Void - - Parent

Happy New Year from the annoying guy on an iPad!

Well, the buttons have different labels now, but I suspect that's not what you meant. Nothing happens in the box, still.

Orinoco - - Parent

Hmm.

Well it works as expected with my touch events emulator. I don't think I'll be able to fix this until I get a genuine touch device to play with.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

I suspect it's nothing to do with touch events, since nothing happens at all (no animation, and the counter at the bottom stays at 0:00).

Perhaps a Safari on iOS issue? I'm not sure of the best way to debug that.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Update: also fails to run on Safari on OSX. So it's a Safari problem. Might be easier to debug on desktop Safari!

The error console lists "SyntaxError: Can't create duplicate variable that shadows a global property: 'display'"

Perhaps rename the variable 'display' on line 108 to something else?

Orinoco - - Parent

Variable renamed. Looks like there is a bug with Safari's scoping.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

It now works on Safari on OSX, but not on the iPad (iOS 9).

It does work on Safari on my iPhone (iOS 10).

I've found how to debug on the iPad: activate developer mode (Settings->Safari->Advanced->Web Inspector); connect to a computer with a cable; on the desktop Safari->Develop->iPad->(page to be debugged).

This reveals: line 93 Unexpected identifier 'accuracy'.

And Google/Stack Overflow tells me that the 'let' keyword is only supported in Safari from iOS 10 onwards:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39090908/unexpected-identifier-error-for-first-object-safari-only
http://caniuse.com/#feat=let

Orinoco - - Parent

Many thanks for this. Switched the code to use the old var keyword. Bit of a performance hit, but still usable I think.

The Void - - Parent

Still nothing here (refreshed the cache and css thingy), but I'm on iOS 9.3.5, so I guess that's why.

John R - - Parent

Now opens on iOS 10.2 on an ipad, and great fun to play with, thank you!

Richard Loxley - - Parent

The next error (on iOS 9) is: Line 202 Unexpected token '>'.

This is taking 'remote debugging' to a new level ;-)

Let me know if you get bored :-)

Orinoco - - Parent

ah... the first bug should've given me a clue to this one. I think I've found a Mac old enough to test with but probably won't have time to sit down with this until the weekend.

Will definitely try to support Safari on iOS9 as I certainly don't consider 4 years to be particularly old! Although I assume iOS9 can run the latest Chrome/Opera/Vivaldi/Firefox etc. if need be.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

I don't know if it's changed, but it used to be that any third party browser app on iOS had to use Apple's rendering engine. So even other browsers probably suffer from the same issues.

Richard Loxley - - Parent

Incidentally, both my iPad and Void's are stuck on iOS 9 as support was dropped for those models this autumn.

But any iOS device bought in the last 4 years will run iOS 10.

So how obliged you feel towards supporting iOS 9 depends on whether your legacy support is better than Apple's :-)

mtb - - Parent

This is quite nice. Thank you, and I hope 2017 is a good year for you all.

peterbone - - Parent

Very nice. What physics engine is that? Played it on IPad. Collisions please.

Orinoco - - Parent

I stole most of the code from this project which is an implementation of Verlet integration.

Collisions between individual silks? Will see what I can do but I think the number of extra calculations that would require will be too much for a script running within a browser.

Marvin -

The Green Eggs Report for December 2016 is now available. Last month 39 people made 243 posts containing 90 links. See past reports.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Yeahj! .. not me up for once. And Monte lol.

Monte - - Parent

WTF, I come back for a week to stir things up a bit and end up top poster for the Month! Kind of confirms my fears.
BTW I was top poster on the MHF in it's first month too. Just over 1500 posts with half a dozen others over 1000.Total post count for the month 13,000 from around 50 active posters of a total 121 inc lurkers.

7b_wizard - - Parent

Hey, that's impressing. Keep it up, man!

Mïark - - Parent

Quality should be a measure as well as quantity, if I wanted to seee millions of inane posts I could join facebook

Ewano -

First post of 2017. Happy New Year from PassOut...

Orinoco - - Parent

Indeed, happy new year all.

Little Paul -

Jugglers with automatic prop stands: http://ezine.juggle.org/2016/12/31/prop-launching-prop-stands-and-the-jugglers-who-use-them/

Interesting article about prop stands that launch props, but it feels like a very incomplete list of examples - can anyone add to them?

For me, the most obvious ones that spring to mind are rod laver:
https://youtu.be/0DtO-U03Tvs

And the ball juggling act that was in the BJC show a couple of years back, with orange balls... but unfortunately his name escapes me!

Any more for any more?

Orinoco - - Parent

Eugenius Nils

/me goes off to RTFA

Little Paul - - Parent

That's the chap!

Thanks

mtb - - Parent

I have always liked this act. The magnetic balls are great.

bad1dobby - - Parent

Dieto used a mechanical prop stand - it doesn't launch the props, but it does deliver them in an interesting manner.
It's a very small part of the act, but it does add to his general quirkiness.

Prop stand interactions are at 3:25 and 5:45

http://juggling.tv/633

Also the unique Russian juggler Andrei Popov used a ball stand to launch 3 balls at the start of his act.
https://youtu.be/AfTRFsy8ZDo?t=5s

The Void - - Parent

The Bert Garden clip doesn't seem to have embedded ptoperly in the article, so...
http://juggling.tv/1516

The Void - - Parent

Yes, ptoperly. Do you have a ptoblem with that? :-P

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